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Cheney told CIA not to discuss program

WASHINGTON – Former Vice President Dick Cheney directed the CIA eight years ago not to inform Congress about a nascent counter terrorism program that CIA Director Leon Panetta terminated in June, officials with direct knowledge of the matter said Saturday.

Subsequent CIA directors did not inform Congress because the intelligence-gathering effort had not developed to the point that they believed merited a congressional briefing, said a former intelligence official and another government official familiar with Panetta's June 24 briefing to the House and Senate Intelligence committees.

Panetta did not agree.

Upon learning of the program June 23 from within the CIA, Panetta terminated it and the next day called an emergency meeting with the House and Senate Intelligence committees to inform them of the program and that it was canceled.

Cheney played a central role in overseeing the Bush administration's surveillance program that was the subject of an inspectors general report this past week. That report noted that Cheney's chief of staff, David Addington, personally decided who in Bush's inner circle could even know about the secret program.

But revelations about Cheney's role in making decisions for the CIA on whether to notify Congress came as a surprise to some on the committees, said another government official.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090712/ap_ ... rterrorism

Cheney needs to be arrested and sent to prison.

dbackjon wrote:Cheney needs to be arrested and sent to prison.

No shit. And conks cry about Obama's people skipping a page on their tax returns.

Grizalltheway wrote:

dbackjon wrote:Cheney needs to be arrested and sent to prison.

No shit. And conks cry about Obama's people skipping a page on their tax returns.

Actually, we bitch MORE about Donks pushing through 1200 page laws when NOONE has read them.

Can you blame Cheney? Look at how Pelosi tried to politicize events only one year out from 9/11.

Some programs don't need to be known. Of course the NY Times is going to try and make this sound much more sinister than it was.

I remember people acting like complete pussies (not directed at anyone on this board) after 9/11, and now they act all indignant when they find out our government took steps to ensure our safety.

SeattleGriz wrote:Can you blame Cheney? Look at how Pelosi tried to politicize events only one year out from 9/11.

Some programs don't need to be known. Of course the NY Times is going to try and make this sound much more sinister than it was.

I remember people acting like complete pussies (not directed at anyone on this board) after 9/11, and now they act all indignant when they find out our government took steps to ensure our safety.

I think the pussy stuff comes from wasting time, money , resources and Americans in a country that had absolutely nothing to do with 911. Attack Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan but not Iraq.
I also have no problem whatsoever killing anyone. Just make sure they are the right ones, not some political target so bush cheney can feel better about themselves.

The ones on here that I have a problem with and any other msg board i.e. Egriz are those who push for military action at all costs no matter who it is we attack but have actually never spent a day in the military because it was too much for them to take the time out of their important lives to serve this country, cheney, or they were just flat out chickenshits.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely and the Bush administration will soon find that out if Eric Holder has his way. Torture to obtain information is still torture and a violation of the very inalienable rights afforded to all mankind by his Creator. Cheney's chickens will come home to roost.

polsongrizz wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote:Can you blame Cheney? Look at how Pelosi tried to politicize events only one year out from 9/11.

Some programs don't need to be known. Of course the NY Times is going to try and make this sound much more sinister than it was.

I remember people acting like complete pussies (not directed at anyone on this board) after 9/11, and now they act all indignant when they find out our government took steps to ensure our safety.

I think the pussy stuff comes from wasting time, money , resources and Americans in a country that had absolutely nothing to do with 911. Attack Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan but not Iraq.
I also have no problem whatsoever killing anyone. Just make sure they are the right ones, not some political target so bush cheney can feel better about themselves.

The ones on here that I have a problem with and any other msg board i.e. Egriz are those who push for military action at all costs no matter who it is we attack but have actually never spent a day in the military because it was too much for them to take the time out of their important lives to serve this country, cheney, or they were just flat out chickenshits.

Nice post.

BlueHen86 wrote:

polsongrizz wrote: I think the pussy stuff comes from wasting time, money , resources and Americans in a country that had absolutely nothing to do with 911. Attack Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan but not Iraq.
I also have no problem whatsoever killing anyone. Just make sure they are the right ones, not some political target so bush cheney can feel better about themselves.

The ones on here that I have a problem with and any other msg board i.e. Egriz are those who push for military action at all costs no matter who it is we attack but have actually never spent a day in the military because it was too much for them to take the time out of their important lives to serve this country, cheney, or they were just flat out chickenshits.

Nice post.

polsongrizz wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote:Can you blame Cheney? Look at how Pelosi tried to politicize events only one year out from 9/11.

Some programs don't need to be known. Of course the NY Times is going to try and make this sound much more sinister than it was.

I remember people acting like complete pussies (not directed at anyone on this board) after 9/11, and now they act all indignant when they find out our government took steps to ensure our safety.

I think the pussy stuff comes from wasting time, money , resources and Americans in a country that had absolutely nothing to do with 911. Attack Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan but not Iraq.
I also have no problem whatsoever killing anyone. Just make sure they are the right ones, not some political target so bush cheney can feel better about themselves.

The ones on here that I have a problem with and any other msg board i.e. Egriz are those who push for military action at all costs no matter who it is we attack but have actually never spent a day in the military because it was too much for them to take the time out of their important lives to serve this country, cheney, or they were just flat out chickenshits.

I fully agree with that. I did my time in the military (reserves), but keep my mouth shut because I was medical and not combat arms. I have not earned the right to spout any big talk about action at all costs.

SeattleGriz wrote:

polsongrizz wrote: I think the pussy stuff comes from wasting time, money , resources and Americans in a country that had absolutely nothing to do with 911. Attack Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan but not Iraq.
I also have no problem whatsoever killing anyone. Just make sure they are the right ones, not some political target so bush cheney can feel better about themselves.

The ones on here that I have a problem with and any other msg board i.e. Egriz are those who push for military action at all costs no matter who it is we attack but have actually never spent a day in the military because it was too much for them to take the time out of their important lives to serve this country, cheney, or they were just flat out chickenshits.

I fully agree with that. I did my time in the military (reserves), but keep my mouth shut because I was medical and not combat arms. I have not earned the right to spout any big talk about action at all costs.

Duty is Duty, at least you served unlike a lot of other blowhards on here. I truly believe there should be a minimum of two years in the military for every American, male or female right out of high school, no if ands or butts. Of course you would have to make sure that whomever is designating assignments doesn't put every person w/o pull as an 0311.
Seriously though nice to see you served.

And thats why its great to live in a country that allows freedom of choice. I have zero desire to serve. This country hasn't fought a necessary war since WWII. Even the Afghanistan war was poorly executed. I would change my mind if the govt wasn't so gung ho on fighting somebody all the time. I would much rather serve my country through diplomacy.

slycat wrote:And thats why its great to live in a country that allows freedom of choice. I have zero desire to serve. This country hasn't fought a necessary war since WWII. Even the Afghanistan war was poorly executed. I would change my mind if the govt wasn't so gung ho on fighting somebody all the time. I would much rather serve my country through diplomacy.

How would you know? Were you there?

AZGrizFan wrote:

slycat wrote:And thats why its great to live in a country that allows freedom of choice. I have zero desire to serve. This country hasn't fought a necessary war since WWII. Even the Afghanistan war was poorly executed. I would change my mind if the govt wasn't so gung ho on fighting somebody all the time. I would much rather serve my country through diplomacy.

How would you know? Were you there?

Results speak for themselves.

The soldiers themselves did great with the limitations placed on them by Cheney/Bush/Rummy

dbackjon wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:

How would you know? Were you there?

Results speak for themselves.

The soldiers themselves did great with the limitations placed on them by Cheney/Bush/Rummy

........don't forget the congress. Both parties were there and part of the decision process, as they are in the Obamanation.

dbackjon wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:

How would you know? Were you there?

Results speak for themselves.

The soldiers themselves did great with the limitations placed on them by Cheney/Bush/Rummy

How much of the limitations were due to ridiculous rules of engagement? America will always have to fight wars with kid gloves on. That, in my opinion is a big part of why we didn't just roll through Afghanistan and Iraq.

Hell, I remember a video of us hitting a tank under a bridge with a missile and people still said we should have been more careful. You can't get more precise than that and people were still unhappy.

They didn't listen to the generals when it came to troop levels needed. We didnt have nearly enough troops in Afganistan for the job.

SeattleGriz wrote:Can you blame Cheney? Look at how Pelosi tried to politicize events only one year out from 9/11.

Some programs don't need to be known. Of course the NY Times is going to try and make this sound much more sinister than it was.

I remember people acting like complete pussies (not directed at anyone on this board) after 9/11, and now they act all indignant when they find out our government took steps to ensure our safety.

If there were a way to let the regular American citizen know about these programs WITHOUT letting Congress know first (and therefore allowing the political hamstringing of whatever you are trying to do) I would be all for that. Think that would take a radical re-writing of the Constitution, though.

On another note, it is apparent that someone on this board does not fully understand or appreciate the concept of a volunteer military an its role/necessity in a democratic society.

And BTW- I served for many years in many capacities. That being said, if our people didn't die for the right of the common citizen to have a part in the process then I am unsure what the fvck they died for. I'll support anybody's right to be a douche, but to suggest that compulsory military service (which is bad for military readiness, BTW) should be a prerequisite for voicing an opinion about the military operations of this country is just dumb. I can name a few countries that once adopted that policy as well as a few other similar ones. We whipped their a$$es so badly that they would never have recovered had we not rebuilt them.

CID1990 wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote:Can you blame Cheney? Look at how Pelosi tried to politicize events only one year out from 9/11.

Some programs don't need to be known. Of course the NY Times is going to try and make this sound much more sinister than it was.

I remember people acting like complete pussies (not directed at anyone on this board) after 9/11, and now they act all indignant when they find out our government took steps to ensure our safety.

If there were a way to let the regular American citizen know about these programs WITHOUT letting Congress know first (and therefore allowing the political hamstringing of whatever you are trying to do) I would be all for that. Think that would take a radical re-writing of the Constitution, though.

On another note, it is apparent that someone on this board does not fully understand or appreciate the concept of a volunteer military an its role/necessity in a democratic society.

And BTW- I served for many years in many capacities. That being said, if our people didn't die for the right of the common citizen to have a part in the process then I am unsure what the fvck they died for. I'll support anybody's right to be a douche, but to suggest that compulsory military service (which is bad for military readiness, BTW) should be a prerequisite for voicing an opinion about the military operations of this country is just dumb. I can name a few countries that once adopted that policy as well as a few other similar ones. We whipped their a$$es so badly that they would never have recovered had we not rebuilt them.

Nice post.

I would argue that the founding fathers were a little short of appreciation for the role/necessity of professional armies in a democratic society too.

AZGrizFan wrote:

slycat wrote:And thats why its great to live in a country that allows freedom of choice. I have zero desire to serve. This country hasn't fought a necessary war since WWII. Even the Afghanistan war was poorly executed. I would change my mind if the govt wasn't so gung ho on fighting somebody all the time. I would much rather serve my country through diplomacy.

How would you know? Were you there?

No but I have many friends fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. The reason I say it was done wrong is that the focus was put of Iraq. Afghanistan became the forgotten war. Without the distraction of Iraq, resources and thought could have been better used for that war. Then again there really isn't much of a war to be had there. Key strikes against the Taliban were good but thats about it. Now the country has become a world leader in heroin growing. End one problem and created another.

I really don't get what our goal is over there. I'm thinking finding Osama is a lost cause, he probably dead anyway. I think our approach to fighting terrorism has created a greater hatred of the US and more terrorists.

The best way to stop terrorism is to cut off financial backing. But we are to good of friends with our oil friends in Saudi Arabia to truly look into the money thats coming from there.

Terrorism is not something that can be stopped with a war. Theres no one to sign a treaty in the end.

Cheney was just doing what he felt was necessary to protect you and me from the big bad evil black faced turban tops. Damn good thing none of this had anything to do with sex. Remember, the majority of the populace had anointed him the world's smartest man, assigned to cover for his front man, the worlds dumbest man George W. Bush.

Had this kind of deception happened under the current administration or the Clinton administration then these acts would have indeed been considered crimes, and those responsible would have to be impeached by Bob Barr.

houndawg wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
If there were a way to let the regular American citizen know about these programs WITHOUT letting Congress know first (and therefore allowing the political hamstringing of whatever you are trying to do) I would be all for that. Think that would take a radical re-writing of the Constitution, though.

On another note, it is apparent that someone on this board does not fully understand or appreciate the concept of a volunteer military an its role/necessity in a democratic society.

And BTW- I served for many years in many capacities. That being said, if our people didn't die for the right of the common citizen to have a part in the process then I am unsure what the fvck they died for. I'll support anybody's right to be a douche, but to suggest that compulsory military service (which is bad for military readiness, BTW) should be a prerequisite for voicing an opinion about the military operations of this country is just dumb. I can name a few countries that once adopted that policy as well as a few other similar ones. We whipped their a$$es so badly that they would never have recovered had we not rebuilt them.

Nice post.

I would argue that the founding fathers were a little short of appreciation for the role/necessity of professional armies in a democratic society too.

It must take a huge toll mentally and physically on those of you who find serving your country for two years of your life too much a an imposition. Hey but at least you get to pretend you know something by armchair quarterbacking it on a msg board, good for you. Sorry to some of you so called brave men??it is such a fvcking impostion to assume you would want to actually help out the country that you take for granted.
Aw I should have remembered most on this board are nothing more than spoiled little mama's kids who can't be bothered by anything less than making sure they take advantage of the college education they got here and then running off and spending the rest of their life bitching about how they would have attacked this and they would have bombed that.
But all you chickenshit mutherfvckers just keep sitting home and ignoring the fact that someone else is dying for you, so you can pretend to know what you are talking about. You must be very proud of yourselves when your sons and daughters ask "Daddy, were you ever in the military"? No kids, but I once read a book about it while drinking in my college dorm.
You're right those founding fathers would be proud they spawned such a heroic group to lead this nation.

polsongrizz wrote:

houndawg wrote:
Nice post.

I would argue that the founding fathers were a little short of appreciation for the role/necessity of professional armies in a democratic society too.

It must take a huge toll mentally and physically on those of you who find serving your country for two years of your life too much a an imposition. Hey but at least you get to pretend you know something by armchair quarterbacking it on a msg board, good for you. Sorry to some of you so called brave men??it is such a fvcking impostion to assume you would want to actually help out the country that you take for granted.
Aw I should have remembered most on this board are nothing more than spoiled little mama's kids who can't be bothered by anything less than making sure they take advantage of the college education they got here and then running off and spending the rest of their life bitching about how they would have attacked this and they would have bombed that.
But all you chickenshit mutherfvckers just keep sitting home and ignoring the fact that someone else is dying for you, so you can pretend to know what you are talking about. You must be very proud of yourselves when your sons and daughters ask "Daddy, were you ever in the military"? No kids, but I once read a book about it while drinking in my college dorm.
You're right those founding fathers would be proud they spawned such a heroic group to lead this nation.

You talkin' to me, shithead? You want to dispute that the founding fathers didn't like the idea of standing armies?

polsongrizz wrote:

houndawg wrote:
Nice post.

I would argue that the founding fathers were a little short of appreciation for the role/necessity of professional armies in a democratic society too.

It must take a huge toll mentally and physically on those of you who find serving your country for two years of your life too much a an imposition. Hey but at least you get to pretend you know something by armchair quarterbacking it on a msg board, good for you. Sorry to some of you so called brave men??it is such a fvcking impostion to assume you would want to actually help out the country that you take for granted.
Aw I should have remembered most on this board are nothing more than spoiled little mama's kids who can't be bothered by anything less than making sure they take advantage of the college education they got here and then running off and spending the rest of their life bitching about how they would have attacked this and they would have bombed that.
But all you chickenshit mutherfvckers just keep sitting home and ignoring the fact that someone else is dying for you, so you can pretend to know what you are talking about. You must be very proud of yourselves when your sons and daughters ask "Daddy, were you ever in the military"? No kids, but I once read a book about it while drinking in my college dorm.
You're right those founding fathers would be proud they spawned such a heroic group to lead this nation.

What part of "I served for many years in many capacities" did you not understand, Tough Guy? Where were YOU in 2004? I was living in the Al Sadeer Hotel in Baghdad, riding out every day to police stations to try to keep them from getting their butts blown off, and I was doing it with an unarmored SUV, a kaffiyeh on my head and the hope that some a$$hole insurgent wasn't going to recognize me. Where were you in the mid-late 1980s? I was in the north Atlantic, bobbing up and down on tin cans. I have served in the military, in law enforcement on local and federal levels, in ICITAP, in the intelligence community, and I am STILL on the payroll in POL-MIL affairs. Been doing this for 20 years, and I still have another 25 left in me, son. So go project your own regret at not being fed at your mother's tit and leave the thinking to the adults and the people who actually know their heads from their a$$es.

CID1990 wrote:

polsongrizz wrote: It must take a huge toll mentally and physically on those of you who find serving your country for two years of your life too much a an imposition. Hey but at least you get to pretend you know something by armchair quarterbacking it on a msg board, good for you. Sorry to some of you so called brave men??it is such a fvcking impostion to assume you would want to actually help out the country that you take for granted.
Aw I should have remembered most on this board are nothing more than spoiled little mama's kids who can't be bothered by anything less than making sure they take advantage of the college education they got here and then running off and spending the rest of their life bitching about how they would have attacked this and they would have bombed that.
But all you chickenshit mutherfvckers just keep sitting home and ignoring the fact that someone else is dying for you, so you can pretend to know what you are talking about. You must be very proud of yourselves when your sons and daughters ask "Daddy, were you ever in the military"? No kids, but I once read a book about it while drinking in my college dorm.
You're right those founding fathers would be proud they spawned such a heroic group to lead this nation.

What part of "I served for many years in many capacities" did you not understand, Tough Guy? Where were YOU in 2004? I was living in the Al Sadeer Hotel in Baghdad, riding out every day to police stations to try to keep them from getting their butts blown off, and I was doing it with an unarmored SUV, a kaffiyeh on my head and the hope that some a$$hole insurgent wasn't going to recognize me. Where were you in the mid-late 1980s? I was in the north Atlantic, bobbing up and down on tin cans. I have served in the military, in law enforcement on local and federal levels, in ICITAP, in the intelligence community, and I am STILL on the payroll in POL-MIL affairs. Been doing this for 20 years, and I still have another 25 left in me, son. So go project your own regret at not being fed at your mother's tit and leave the thinking to the adults and the people who actually know their heads from their a$$es.

What a sad little boy you must be. I didn't quote you so fvck off. If you had read what else i wrote maybe you would understand.
Where was I in "04", where were you in the late 70's through the early 90's? I was in the Soiviet Union, Lebannon Iran and varius other places having fun. So what, I did my job, no more than you did. Which was still more than most of the whiners on here.