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WESTERN DESERT, Iraq (CNN) -- The hot wind swirls around the human bones and cracked skulls that litter the forsaken desert lands in Western Iraq.

We are standing in the middle of what was an al Qaeda execution site, just outside an intricate bunker complex that the organization used to torture and murder its victims, the bodies left to rot or be eaten by animals.

From the back of the police truck the opening to the first bunker is barely discernible in the distance.

"Al Qaeda came in as a massive force" one of the officers says as we bump along the harsh terrain. "They stole our cars, our personal cars. They kidnapped two of my brothers. They blew up the house over there."

In the distance we can see his village -- a set of sand colored homes surrounded by parched farmlands.

As we approach grubby children chase the truck and then stand to the side, despondent, as the officer points to their home. "Their father was killed by al Qaeda," he says.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast ... index.html

You mean they didn't just threaten to use a drill on their victims.......

Religion of Peace!

I'm sure they only torture because we did.

AZGrizFan wrote:I'm sure they only torture because we did.

Not sure if I would rather be threatened with a drill, or have that heinous looking Army MP chick play with my d!ck at Abu Ghraib. It is a toss-up.

CID1990 wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:I'm sure they only torture because we did.

Not sure if I would rather be threatened with a drill, or have that heinous looking Army MP chick play with my d!ck at Abu Ghraib. It is a toss-up.

That was indeed one ugly chick. The guy wearing the hood with the wires was better off.

AZGrizFan wrote:I'm sure they only torture because we did.

You ever listen to or read what your man, McCain, has to say on torture? Is he wrong?

Skjellyfetti wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:I'm sure they only torture because we did.

You ever listen to or read what your man, McCain, has to say on torture? Is he wrong?

The fact that I voted for him doesn't mean I'm in lock-step with every position of his. It's called independent thought----you donks ought to try it.

This is one of the reasons the war should have focused on Afghanistan instead of Iraq!! That's where Bin Laden is. He wasn't in Iraq! Saddam hated Bin Laden! Maybe the US should have paid Saddam to go after Bin Laden, use his troops instead of US soldiers. T

RobsPics wrote:This is one of the reasons the war should have focused on Afghanistan instead of Iraq!! That's where Bin Laden is. He wasn't in Iraq! Saddam hated Bin Laden! Maybe the US should have paid Saddam to go after Bin Laden, use his troops instead of US soldiers. T

Rob, your wonderful talents are going to waste while you post in this forum. More pictures, please.

ok I will post some tonight

RobsPics wrote:This is one of the reasons the war should have focused on Afghanistan instead of Iraq!! That's where Bin Laden is. He wasn't in Iraq! Saddam hated Bin Laden! Maybe the US should have paid Saddam to go after Bin Laden, use his troops instead of US soldiers. T

Lets put this in perspective...
Bush had no intentions (ever) of catching Bin Laden that's why we sent 250,000 troops to the place where Bin Laden wasn't...

AZGrizFan wrote:The fact that I voted for him doesn't mean I'm in lock-step with every position of his. It's called independent thought----you donks ought to try it.

Yeah, I mean... it's only the defining issue of his life. Probably shouldn't even bother to consider his opinion on the issue.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:The fact that I voted for him doesn't mean I'm in lock-step with every position of his. It's called independent thought----you donks ought to try it.

Yeah, I mean... it's only the defining issue of his life. Probably shouldn't even bother to consider his opinion on the issue.

But it's not the defining issue of MY life. I get it....he was tortured by the NVA, in ways we can't even imagine. Now, we call what happened at Abu Ghirab "torture", when it's really like Sunday School compared to what McCain went through. I have no problem with what we've done. Continuing to play the game by our own set of rules is like fighting wars with both hands tied behind our backs.



Wait....we already DO that.



Never mind.

AZGrizFan wrote: But it's not the defining issue of MY life. I get it....he was tortured by the NVA, in ways we can't even imagine. Now, we call what happened at Abu Ghirab "torture", when it's really like Sunday School compared to what McCain went through. I have no problem with what we've done. Continuing to play the game by our own set of rules is like fighting wars with both hands tied behind our backs.

And the guy that indured such horrible acts by the NVA agrees that our practices constitute torture and should be abandoned. But, I guess he just doesn't understand the issue of torture as well as you.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote: But it's not the defining issue of MY life. I get it....he was tortured by the NVA, in ways we can't even imagine. Now, we call what happened at Abu Ghirab "torture", when it's really like Sunday School compared to what McCain went through. I have no problem with what we've done. Continuing to play the game by our own set of rules is like fighting wars with both hands tied behind our backs.

And the guy that indured such horrible acts by the NVA agrees that our practices constitute torture and should be abandoned. But, I guess he just doesn't understand the issue of torture as well as you.

That's right. I've never been tortured. You've never been President, but it doesn't stop you from blathering on and on about how it should be done.

Torture is in the eye of the beholder. John McCain says it's torture....that's his opinion. Great. I STILL have no problem with what we've done (from an intelligence-gathering standpoint). And although I don't qualify the events at Abu Ghirab as "torture", I do find them disgusting, but probably not for the same reasons you do. My reasons are that a) I expect military personnel to exercise better judgement than that and b) what they did embarrassed America and distracted us from our overall mission and made that mission immensely more difficult (ok, THAT one you might agree with).

I find it interesting that for all your bashing of John McCain during the election process, now he's suddenly the voice of reason because you found common ground. Simply AMAZING how that works.