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I'd hate to see what the opinion of nurses are who are already overworked.

Quitting to do what?

People will say they'd quite for all kinds of reasons. Doesn't mean they actually do it when push came to shove.

Especially when quitting means taking a massive paycut.

Pwns wrote:http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysi ... ?id=506199

I'd hate to see what the opinion of nurses are who are already overworked.

45% would consider quitting - well that's 10% less than are considering quitting right now under the present conditions...

This doctor has a plan for the lawyers as well to help out the nation.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 51050.html

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:This doctor has a plan for the lawyers as well to help out the nation.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 51050.html

Dream on..!!!
Lawyers run this country - they're in the middle and fucking up everything - that's what they do...

Doctors have an oath that binds them to the health of their client
Lawyers have no such oath - in fact - like a virus they will gleefully kill their hosts

Well, the world needs ditch diggers too.

Wedgebuster wrote:Well, the world needs ditch diggers too.

that's why the State of Georgia funds Georgia Southern University

Yeah right. Give up the half million plus salaries they will contnue to make?

Well, I will never make what the average doctor makes, but I have had two previous jobs that paid well and I left them both because of principle. I left police work because I began to have serious qualms about some of the laws I was enforcing. (Not just the drug laws, but the mandatory arrest laws for domestic violence and other nanny state codes) Dropped it like a hot potato.

I figured that in the foreign service, at least I could continue to be a positive force regardless of what US foreign policy du jour was. If I find that to be an incorrect assumption then I will once again find something else to do.

So, I do not find it surprising that doctors would hang it up over this. I am sure a lot of it is just bluster, but having a father who was in dentistry I can say that the med field can be extremely frustrating. Especially with the malpractice bugaboo hanging over your shoulder.

Chizzang wrote:

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:This doctor has a plan for the lawyers as well to help out the nation.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 51050.html

Dream on..!!!
Lawyers run this country - they're in the middle and **** up everything - that's what they do...

Doctors have an oath that binds them to the health of their client
Lawyers have no such oath - in fact - like a virus they will gleefully kill their hosts

Bite me good and hard, chiizzeets23rd!

Ivytalk wrote:
Bite me good and hard, chiizzeets23rd!

What..?

(Too close to the bone there I guess)

Chizzang wrote:

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:This doctor has a plan for the lawyers as well to help out the nation.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 51050.html

Dream on..!!!
Lawyers run this country - they're in the middle and fucking up everything - that's what they do...

Doctors have an oath that binds them to the health of their client
Lawyers have no such oath - in fact - like a virus they will gleefully kill their hosts

Actually lawyers do have an oath to zealously advocate on behalf of their client. For the most part that's what lawyers do. There are obviously exceptions, just like there are doctors that are more interested in their own financial wellbeing than their patient's health.

One of these days I'd like to hear the story about the lawyers that pissed in your cheerios.

danefan wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
Dream on..!!!
Lawyers run this country - they're in the middle and **** up everything - that's what they do...

Doctors have an oath that binds them to the health of their client
Lawyers have no such oath - in fact - like a virus they will gleefully kill their hosts

Actually lawyers do have an oath to zealously advocate on behalf of their client. For the most part that's what lawyers do. There are obviously exceptions, just like their are doctors that are more interested in their own financial wellbeing than their patient's health.

One of these days I'd like to hear the story about the lawyers that pissed in your cheerios.

That's a slightly more elegant formulation of what I said three posts above!

Ivytalk wrote:

danefan wrote:
Actually lawyers do have an oath to zealously advocate on behalf of their client. For the most part that's what lawyers do. There are obviously exceptions, just like their are doctors that are more interested in their own financial wellbeing than their patient's health.

One of these days I'd like to hear the story about the lawyers that pissed in your cheerios.

That's a slightly more elegant formulation of what I said three posts above!

I learned a long time ago that the lawyers representing the companies I worked for were ethical, responsible, well meaning, dedicated and absolutely necessary to obtain a fair deal in any transaction work and I loved them. The lawyers representing the other side were all crooks of the worst kind.

This does not pertain to family practice lawyers who are all snakes whether representing me or the exes.

Ivytalk wrote:

danefan wrote:
Actually lawyers do have an oath to zealously advocate on behalf of their client. For the most part that's what lawyers do. There are obviously exceptions, just like their are doctors that are more interested in their own financial wellbeing than their patient's health.

One of these days I'd like to hear the story about the lawyers that pissed in your cheerios.

That's a slightly more elegant formulation of what I said three posts above!

Now if I can only pay attention to my "their" and "there" useage I might make a decent lawyer one day.

danefan wrote:

Ivytalk wrote:
That's a slightly more elegant formulation of what I said three posts above!

Now if I can only pay attention to my "their" and "there" useage I might make a decent lawyer one day.

It is time to scrap spelling rules and just spel fonetically

danefan wrote: Actually lawyers do have an oath to zealously advocate on behalf of their client. For the most part that's what lawyers do. There are obviously exceptions, just like there are doctors that are more interested in their own financial wellbeing than their patient's health.

One of these days I'd like to hear the story about the lawyers that pissed in your cheerios.

Well first of all I would like to see this oath you speak of...
secondly as I have mentioned - our society has been constructed by lawyers designed to be perpetuated by lawyers self justified by lawyers who hire lawyers to defend their lawyers from the other lawyers...

Common sense has been replaced by legal jibberish - accountability replaced with some kind of fancy adjourned sine die and the act of adjudication requires months on end and an endless number of counterclaims buried in more jibberish - all the while a discontinuance could have been / should have been issued months ago but the group litigation orders were stalled by the Interlocutory findings and we still haven't even completed the inspection of documents stage (because thats got some serious billable hours hidden in it) before they'll even look at the listing questionnaire and fast track anything or turn it over to the ombudsman for speedy resolution on completion of the assigned pre-action protocols...

blah blah blah

A world of complete non-sense - brimming with legalese jibberish designed to sustain the facade of civility yet ultimately hidden (right before our eyes) a world of lawyers stacked on top of lawyers supported by more lawyers...

burdening the common good and destroying common sense

hello..?
hmmm... crickets from the legal department - I believe this case is closed (Home Run Chizzang..!!!)

Sorry - missed your reply. Now you're going to force me to look up the words to the Oath that I recited in open court in the beautiful courtroom that is the New York State Appellate Division, 2nd Department?

Damn you Cleets! I'll get back to you, but don't hold your breath becasue I need to finish some work that I'm zealously completing on behalf of a client that has been wronged out of milions of dollars by the United States government. But I am fighting other lawyers for the money that was wrongfuly withheld under a law drafted by lawyers who work for politicians who are also probably lawyers. Oh and did I mention that the laws are drafted in accordance with the Constitution which was written by a few lawyers (not all) and interpreted by a bunch of Judges (formerly lawyers).

Maybe you're right afterall?

Or maybe its just the way it has to be?

Chizzang wrote:

danefan wrote: Actually lawyers do have an oath to zealously advocate on behalf of their client. For the most part that's what lawyers do. There are obviously exceptions, just like there are doctors that are more interested in their own financial wellbeing than their patient's health.

One of these days I'd like to hear the story about the lawyers that pissed in your cheerios.

Well first of all I would like to see this oath you speak of...
secondly as I have mentioned - our society has been constructed by lawyers designed to be perpetuated by lawyers self justified by lawyers who hire lawyers to defend their lawyers from the other lawyers...

Common sense has been replaced by legal jibberish - accountability replaced with some kind of fancy adjourned sine die and the act of adjudication requires months on end and an endless number of counterclaims buried in more jibberish - all the while a discontinuance could have been / should have been issued months ago but the group litigation orders were stalled by the Interlocutory findings and we still haven't even completed the inspection of documents stage (because thats got some serious billable hours hidden in it) before they'll even look at the listing questionnaire and fast track anything or turn it over to the ombudsman for speedy resolution on completion of the assigned pre-action protocols...

blah blah blah

A world of complete non-sense - brimming with legalese jibberish designed to sustain the facade of civility yet ultimately hidden (right before our eyes) a world of lawyers stacked on top of lawyers supported by more lawyers...

burdening the common good and destroying common sense

Chizz, before you give yourself game set match on this one, isn't that post reminiscent of Philip Howard's book, The Death of Common Sense?

Ivytalk wrote: Chizz, before you give yourself game set match on this one, isn't that post reminiscent of Philip Howard's book, The Death of Common Sense?

Or his book "Life without Lawyers" both are spot on...

Keep in mind I worked for an engineering company that got sued by an engineering company (their legal department) for patent infringements on a patent we sold them the rights to use that they never used and tried to go after us for using when it was our patent...

it took uncountable thousands of dollars to defend ourselves against them over a period of a year and a half when all they needed to do was read one single document (which we provided for them several times) that showed that we owned the patent and were letting them use it...

later they went after a company called Cerent on a patent infringement (similar case) which was a patent we sold to Cerent and Cerent then sold to them... they tried to get Cerent for using the patent - even though Cerent was free to use it based on the contract negotiated by the very same legal department that was in court against them...

The sh!t I've seen - over and over and over again - and the only people making money on these frivolous law suits... I'll give you one guess...

Ivytalk wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
Well first of all I would like to see this oath you speak of...
secondly as I have mentioned - our society has been constructed by lawyers designed to be perpetuated by lawyers self justified by lawyers who hire lawyers to defend their lawyers from the other lawyers...

Common sense has been replaced by legal jibberish - accountability replaced with some kind of fancy adjourned sine die and the act of adjudication requires months on end and an endless number of counterclaims buried in more jibberish - all the while a discontinuance could have been / should have been issued months ago but the group litigation orders were stalled by the Interlocutory findings and we still haven't even completed the inspection of documents stage (because thats got some serious billable hours hidden in it) before they'll even look at the listing questionnaire and fast track anything or turn it over to the ombudsman for speedy resolution on completion of the assigned pre-action protocols...

blah blah blah

A world of complete non-sense - brimming with legalese jibberish designed to sustain the facade of civility yet ultimately hidden (right before our eyes) a world of lawyers stacked on top of lawyers supported by more lawyers...

burdening the common good and destroying common sense

Chizz, before you give yourself game set match on this one, isn't that post reminiscent of Philip Howard's book, The Death of Common Sense?

I read many , many things reminiscent of many , many other things. It doesn't take away from the validity of the former or the latter however. Hell, I've seen Ursus directly rip off others but I knew he truly meant what he said so I refuse under any circumstances not to hold him in the high regard that he so richly deserves just because someone else lived a life just prior or in concert to that wretched soul's life.

I swear, if you see that somewhere else it is purely parallel thinking.

danefan wrote:Sorry - missed your reply. Now you're going to force me to look up the words to the Oath that I recited in open court in the beautiful courtroom that is the New York State Appellate Division, 2nd Department?

Damn you Cleets! I'll get back to you, but don't hold your breath becasue I need to finish some work that I'm zealously completing on behalf of a client that has been wronged out of milions of dollars by the United States government. But I am fighting other lawyers for the money that was wrongfuly withheld under a law drafted by lawyers who work for politicians who are also probably lawyers. Oh and did I mention that the laws are drafted in accordance with the Constitution which was written by a few lawyers (not all) and interpreted by a bunch of Judges (formerly lawyers).

Maybe you're right afterall?

Or maybe its just the way it has to be?

I'm glad you're not taking any of this personally - because as you said: It probably is the way it has to be...
Life on life's terms = Accepting things as they are... saves ones sanity

also - in case you were wondering: I'm a total douche bag

Chizzang wrote:

danefan wrote:Sorry - missed your reply. Now you're going to force me to look up the words to the Oath that I recited in open court in the beautiful courtroom that is the New York State Appellate Division, 2nd Department?

Damn you Cleets! I'll get back to you, but don't hold your breath becasue I need to finish some work that I'm zealously completing on behalf of a client that has been wronged out of milions of dollars by the United States government. But I am fighting other lawyers for the money that was wrongfuly withheld under a law drafted by lawyers who work for politicians who are also probably lawyers. Oh and did I mention that the laws are drafted in accordance with the Constitution which was written by a few lawyers (not all) and interpreted by a bunch of Judges (formerly lawyers).

Maybe you're right afterall?

Or maybe its just the way it has to be?

I'm glad you're not taking any of this personally - because as you said: It probably is the way it has to be...
Life on life's terms = Accepting things as they are... saves ones sanity

also - in case you were wondering: I'm a total douche bag

I certainly don't take it personally. Its part of being a lawyer. All I can do is represent my clients to the best of my ability and set a good example to show folks like yourself that we're not all ambulance chasers.


And yes.....you are a huge douchebag.

danefan wrote: I certainly don't take it personally. Its part of being a lawyer. All I can do is represent my clients to the best of my ability and set a good example to show folks like yourself that we're not all ambulance chasers.

And yes.....you are a huge douchebag.

Keep a close eye on your soul Danefan