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...a choice that even I would've loved to seen signed into law. Sad that it wasn't.

(I highlighted the strongest part of the letter, IMO, as well)

(From this week's Sylva Herald, Sylva, NC)

Support public option as part of health care reform

To the Editor:

I am a retired physician who was in practice for more than 30 years in Atlanta.

During that time I devoted at least 5 percent of my time to public medical service with the state of Georgia’s Children’s Medical Services and was director of its Ear, Nose, and Throat Clinic. I saw first hand the tragedy of lack of medical care among indigent people of Atlanta. I also took my training at Grady Memorial Hospital and saw what havoc lack of medical care can do to a sector of our society.

When I go to the Exxon service station at the crossroads in Cashiers and see a large glass jar with a sign asking for donations to help a fellow citizen of Jackson County cope with their medical bills, I think how can this happen in America? A country that can fight prolonged expensive wars but let their own people languish and die due to the high cost of medical expenses. How did we get in this situation when every other industrialized nation is able to give all of their people adequate medical care? What are our priorities? How can we tolerate members of Congress who deny proper legislation for even a public option in our system?

The mantra of many politicians when discussing health care is that we have the best medical care in the world. Someone with basic facts of our system should stand up and say “No, that is not true.” The United States pays twice as much yet lags behind all other wealthy nations in such measures as infant mortality and life expectancy. A 2008 report by the Commonwealth Fund ranked the United States last in quality of health care among the 19 compared countries. The Institute of Medicine notes that “Lack of health insurance causes roughly 18,000 unnecessary deaths every year in the United States.” A 2009 Harvard study found more than 44,800 excess deaths due to lack of health insurance. The World Health Organization ranked the U.S. health care system as the highest in cost and 37th in overall performance. Our life expectancy is 42nd in the world behind all G5 nations and after Chile and Cuba. Our infant mortality is 32nd in the world. We have at least 45,000,000 citizens who have no medical insurance coverage.

What is the solution? We all need to urge our Congressional representatives to vote at the very least for a public option in the upcoming medical legislation.

What is a public option? It is a government non-profit insurance program that is able to negotiate with providers of health care for the best price and quality. It would compete with our present for-profit health care insurance companies. The public option would have no restrictions regarding who could join, and no preexisting condition clauses. It in a way would be like getting a library card or enrolling in a public school. We have a public option in education, mail, security, fire, transportation, scientific research, libraries, travel, and recreation to mention a few of the free enterprise system advantages we have. Why can’t we add medical care?

A more bold solution and one I personally favor is a single-payer system. There seems to be little anger over Medicare among its recipients. A single-payer plan would be like a Medicare for all.

Contact Congress and let them know how you personally feel. A majority of Americans favor a public option. Don’t let special interests groups like health insurance and pharmaceutical companies through their lavish campaign donations be the dictating and deciding factor. We should and can have the best medical and health care in the world but not by continuing our present system.

Support the public option and demand that your Congressional representative vote for one.

(CATAMOUNT MAN BLOCKED OUT LETTER WRITER'S NAME FOR PRIVACY)

catamount man wrote:...a choice that even I would've loved to seen signed into law. Sad that it wasn't.
...Support the public option and demand that your Congressional representative vote for one...

How much are you willing to steal from your neighbors to satisfy your own conscience, c-man? Is there any limit?

Why is your church so inadequate to the task with which it is chartered? Why do you expect the government to assume the church's role?

Not impressed. It's just a confluence of all the most common arguments that pro-universal healthcare folks give. I could dig up a dozen sob-stories from patients and dcotors with experience in the so-called superior healthcare systems in Canada and Europe. Doesn't prove anything.

The life-expectancy is lower in America because of deaths realted to smoking and obesity. And the higher per capita costs are because people are more likely to go to a doctor for less serious ailments because the system isn't as slow as frozen molasses.

native wrote:

catamount man wrote:...a choice that even I would've loved to seen signed into law. Sad that it wasn't.
...Support the public option and demand that your Congressional representative vote for one...

How much are you willing to steal from your neighbors to satisfy your own conscience, c-man? Is there any limit?

Why is your church so inadequate to the task with which it is chartered? Why do you expect the government to assume the church's role?

And I'll add, what is your community doing....what is your local and state governments doing???

Health Care is not a federal responsibility...the Constitution outlines what federal responsibilities are, and I challenge you to find health care listed...

States can do it...local governments can do it...charities and churches can do it...individuals can...WHERE ARE THEY???

So, CMan is now subscribing to the same logic hysterical mother's use to justify los of civil rights, choice, etc? You're no Liberterian my friend.....

Col Hogan wrote: Health Care is not a federal responsibility...the Constitution outlines what federal responsibilities are, and I challenge you to find health care listed...

It depends how you interpret "general welfare" imo.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Alexander Hamilton on "General Welfare":

The terms "general Welfare" were doubtless intended to signify more than was expressed or imported in those which Preceded; otherwise numerous exigencies incident to the affairs of a Nation would have been left without a provision. The phrase is as comprehensive as any that could have been used; because it was not fit that the constitutional authority of the Union, to appropriate its revenues shou'd have been restricted within narrower limits than the "General Welfare" and because this necessarily embraces a vast variety of particulars, which are susceptible neither of specification nor of definition.

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders ... _1s21.html

it is easy for people to ask/tell those with more than they have to pick up the tab for them. Feeling like a victim because you don't have what someone else has is easy so this shit ain't gonna stop. Why is this commodity any different than housing or food?

Cman what are you doing about this problem personally or anyone of you that believes this is a government responsibility? I hear that you think that the pockets should be fleeced to pay for you and others but since that day ain't here yet and this day is what are you currently doing for this situation? Are you currently donating your time, or your money to help the people that need it? I'm sure a few of you are, but I'm also sure there is a lot more lip service to taking from others to give those that haven't done for themselves for whatever reason. This is nothing more than mandated pan handling.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Col Hogan wrote: Health Care is not a federal responsibility...the Constitution outlines what federal responsibilities are, and I challenge you to find health care listed...

It depends how you interpret "general welfare" imo.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Alexander Hamilton on "General Welfare":

The terms "general Welfare" were doubtless intended to signify more than was expressed or imported in those which Preceded; otherwise numerous exigencies incident to the affairs of a Nation would have been left without a provision. The phrase is as comprehensive as any that could have been used; because it was not fit that the constitutional authority of the Union, to appropriate its revenues shou'd have been restricted within narrower limits than the "General Welfare" and because this necessarily embraces a vast variety of particulars, which are susceptible neither of specification nor of definition.

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders ... _1s21.html

So you think that our forefathers that built this land and went to war with Britain over a 3 percent increase in tax would be cool with all of this then I guess? Somehow, I just can't see that.

catamount man wrote:...a choice that even I would've loved to seen signed into law. Sad that it wasn't.

(I highlighted the strongest part of the letter, IMO, as well)

(From this week's Sylva Herald, Sylva, NC)

Support public option as part of health care reform

To the Editor:

I am a retired physician who was in practice for more than 30 years in Atlanta.

During that time I devoted at least 5 percent of my time to public medical service with the state of Georgia’s Children’s Medical Services and was director of its Ear, Nose, and Throat Clinic. I saw first hand the tragedy of lack of medical care among indigent people of Atlanta. I also took my training at Grady Memorial Hospital and saw what havoc lack of medical care can do to a sector of our society.

When I go to the Exxon service station at the crossroads in Cashiers and see a large glass jar with a sign asking for donations to help a fellow citizen of Jackson County cope with their medical bills, I think how can this happen in America? A country that can fight prolonged expensive wars but let their own people languish and die due to the high cost of medical expenses. How did we get in this situation when every other industrialized nation is able to give all of their people adequate medical care? What are our priorities? How can we tolerate members of Congress who deny proper legislation for even a public option in our system?

The mantra of many politicians when discussing health care is that we have the best medical care in the world. Someone with basic facts of our system should stand up and say “No, that is not true.” The United States pays twice as much yet lags behind all other wealthy nations in such measures as infant mortality and life expectancy. A 2008 report by the Commonwealth Fund ranked the United States last in quality of health care among the 19 compared countries. The Institute of Medicine notes that “Lack of health insurance causes roughly 18,000 unnecessary deaths every year in the United States.” A 2009 Harvard study found more than 44,800 excess deaths due to lack of health insurance. The World Health Organization ranked the U.S. health care system as the highest in cost and 37th in overall performance. Our life expectancy is 42nd in the world behind all G5 nations and after Chile and Cuba. Our infant mortality is 32nd in the world. We have at least 45,000,000 citizens who have no medical insurance coverage.

What is the solution? We all need to urge our Congressional representatives to vote at the very least for a public option in the upcoming medical legislation.

What is a public option? It is a government non-profit insurance program that is able to negotiate with providers of health care for the best price and quality. It would compete with our present for-profit health care insurance companies. The public option would have no restrictions regarding who could join, and no preexisting condition clauses. It in a way would be like getting a library card or enrolling in a public school. We have a public option in education, mail, security, fire, transportation, scientific research, libraries, travel, and recreation to mention a few of the free enterprise system advantages we have. Why can’t we add medical care?

A more bold solution and one I personally favor is a single-payer system. There seems to be little anger over Medicare among its recipients. A single-payer plan would be like a Medicare for all.

Contact Congress and let them know how you personally feel. A majority of Americans favor a public option. Don’t let special interests groups like health insurance and pharmaceutical companies through their lavish campaign donations be the dictating and deciding factor. We should and can have the best medical and health care in the world but not by continuing our present system.

Support the public option and demand that your Congressional representative vote for one.

(CATAMOUNT MAN BLOCKED OUT LETTER WRITER'S NAME FOR PRIVACY)

Dude, i thought you hated Obama, the democraps and everything they are doing? You confuse me.

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: So you think that our forefathers that built this land and went to war with Britain over a 3 percent increase in tax would be cool with all of this then I guess? Somehow, I just can't see that.

And you think that our forefathers that used the power of the millitary to force people to pay their taxes only ~5 years after the ratification of the Constitution were against taxes?



And we didn't go to war with Britain because of a 3% increase in taxes. The Declaration lists a whole bunch of reasons we declared our independence... and taxes only one reason. AND it's not that the colonies were against the taxes... but, the fact that they were imposed without their consent. If the colonies were represented in Parliament... the taxes would have been fair and just and the colonies wouldn't have had a case.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: So you think that our forefathers that built this land and went to war with Britain over a 3 percent increase in tax would be cool with all of this then I guess? Somehow, I just can't see that.

And you think that our forefathers that used the power of the millitary to force people to pay their taxes only ~5 years after the ratification of the Constitution were against taxes?



And we didn't go to war with Britain because of a 3% increase in taxes. The Declaration lists a whole bunch of reasons we declared our independence... and taxes only one reason. AND it's not that the colonies were against the taxes... but, the fact that they were imposed without their consent. If the colonies were represented in Parliament... the taxes would have been fair and just and the colonies wouldn't have had a case.

Sorry, KY. I tried to read your post, but kept getting distracted by your avatar. You're already annoying enough...you don't need help with an avatar like that one.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: So you think that our forefathers that built this land and went to war with Britain over a 3 percent increase in tax would be cool with all of this then I guess? Somehow, I just can't see that.

And you think that our forefathers that used the power of the millitary to force people to pay their taxes only ~5 years after the ratification of the Constitution were against taxes?



And we didn't go to war with Britain because of a 3% increase in taxes. The Declaration lists a whole bunch of reasons we declared our independence... and taxes only one reason. AND it's not that the colonies were against the taxes... but, the fact that they were imposed without their consent. If the colonies were represented in Parliament... the taxes would have been fair and just and the colonies wouldn't have had a case.

Ahhh, you got me there but I can't see our forefathers thinking that those that weren't doing as well for themselves should be welfared by those that do. It seems to me that they believed in a little more rugged populace and what they could than where we are now.

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:it is easy for people to ask/tell those with more than they have to pick up the tab for them. Feeling like a victim because you don't have what someone else has is easy so this **** ain't gonna stop. Why is this commodity any different than housing or food?

Cman what are you doing about this problem personally or anyone of you that believes this is a government responsibility? I hear that you think that the pockets should be fleeced to pay for you and others but since that day ain't here yet and this day is what are you currently doing for this situation? Are you currently donating your time, or your money to help the people that need it? I'm sure a few of you are, but I'm also sure there is a lot more lip service to taking from others to give those that haven't done for themselves for whatever reason. This is nothing more than mandated pan handling.

You are exactly correct, Brother Bear.

Millions could afford to purchase healthcare but choose entertainment, newer cars and nicer houses instead. They want someone else to pay.

Millions live lifestyles which increase the costs of their own healthcare and refuse to make lifestyle changes. They want someone else to pay.

Millions employ illegal aliens to avoid labor costs. They want someone else to pay.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: So you think that our forefathers that built this land and went to war with Britain over a 3 percent increase in tax would be cool with all of this then I guess? Somehow, I just can't see that.

And you think that our forefathers that used the power of the millitary to force people to pay their taxes only ~5 years after the ratification of the Constitution were against taxes?

And we didn't go to war with Britain because of a 3% increase in taxes. The Declaration lists a whole bunch of reasons we declared our independence... and taxes only one reason. AND it's not that the colonies were against the taxes... but, the fact that they were imposed without their consent. If the colonies were represented in Parliament... the taxes would have been fair and just and the colonies wouldn't have had a case.

So it's all about taxes and you favor them?

Thank you for brilliantly summing up why you are the problem.

native wrote: So it's all about taxes and you favor them?

What's all about taxes?

And, yes. I feel I am taxed adequetly for the services provided to me.

If you truly feel you are taxed to the point that it's "steal[ing]" like you said in this thread.... perhaps you should consider moving to a country with a lower tax burden. I know I wouldn't want to live in a country I felt was stealing from me annually.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

native wrote: So it's all about taxes and you favor them?

What's all about taxes?

And, yes. I feel I am taxed adequetly for the services provided to me.

If you truly feel you are taxed to the point that it's "steal[ing]" like you said in this thread.... perhaps you should consider moving to a country with a lower tax burden. I know I wouldn't want to live in a country I felt was stealing from me annually.

Some people cut and run. Some people stay and fight.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

native wrote: So it's all about taxes and you favor them?

What's all about taxes?

And, yes. I feel I am taxed adequetly for the services provided to me.

If you truly feel you are taxed to the point that it's "steal[ing]" like you said in this thread.... perhaps you should consider moving to a country with a lower tax burden. I know I wouldn't want to live in a country I felt was stealing from me annually.

Something else would be more appropriate. It will happen naturally if there is a depression.

native wrote:Something else would be more appropriate. It will happen naturally if there is a depression.

What would be more appropriate? Don't be so vague... "Something else" I have a feeling this is something looney like "armed revolt", "secession", "civil war", etc. But, what?

The only thing that matters is what talk radio says...
(Somebody tell me what to be outraged about)




Lets see:
You didn't get mad when Bush & Cheney allowed Energy company buddies to dictate energy policy.
You didn't get mad when a CIA operative got outed.
You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.
You didn't get mad when we invaded a country that posed no threat to us.
You didn't get mad when we spent over 900 billion(and counting) on said war.
You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq.
You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.
You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.
You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.

You finally got mad when RUSH said: I'm mad about _______..!!!

Speaking of outrage, what have you done with Cleets?

dbackjon wrote:Speaking of outrage, what have you done with Cleets?

Cleets is Retired

Chizzang wrote:

dbackjon wrote:Speaking of outrage, what have you done with Cleets?

Cleets is Retired

O really?

dbackjon wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
Cleets is Retired

O really?

Rush will inform you when you are angry... stay tuned

Chizzang wrote:

dbackjon wrote:
O really?

Rush will inform you when you are angry... stay tuned

What the fuck are you talking about you dripping bitch. Who is the "you" that you are referring to in your post? Jeezus Christ for a smart dude you say some of the hackiest bullshit to make like you got it all figured out and you're above it all. I'll let you know when you can have an original thought bitch, got it?

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
Rush will inform you when you are angry... stay tuned

What the fuck are you talking about you dripping bitch. Who is the "you" that you are referring to in your post? Jeezus Christ for a smart dude you say some of the hackiest bullshit to make like you got it all figured out and you're above it all. I'll let you know when you can have an original thought bitch, got it?

Did you forget to take your laxative..?
Rush says to take it 2 times a day every day - He's a doctor too