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Another example of "the market knows whats best"

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:14 am
by hank scorpio
Just another reason to pass healthcare reform: :twocents:
Toddler denied insurance for being too small

First, a Colorado baby was turned down for health insurance for being too big. Now, another Colorado child has been turned down for health insurance for being too small.

Just a week after TODAY highlighted the story of 4-month-old Alex Lange, who at 17 pounds was considered obese, the show presented Wednesday the equally curious case of 2-year-old Aislin Bates, who at 22 pounds was turned down for health insurance for not meeting a proposed insurer’s height and weight standards.

Aislin’s dad, Robert Bates, told TODAY’s Erin Burnett he was shocked that United HealthCare turned down their request for coverage when their daughter is basically a picture of health, having suffered nothing more than a common cold in her life. Doctors have told Robert and his wife, Rachel, that Aislin’s small size is purely a matter of genes, not ill health.

“It seems as if they’re discriminating about the fact that she’s smaller, that her size is an issue,” Robert Bates said. “I don’t see why that would be a factor in whether or not a child is healthy.”

Bates told TODAY that he and his family were previously insured by United HealthCare. Two months after Aislin was born, his employer switched plans to Guardian Health Insurance. In August, Bates left his job to become self-employed, and he went back to United HealthCare requesting coverage. The insurer turned down coverage for Aislin — even though it had already insured Aislin as an infant — stating she did not meet height and weight standards and also noting the Bateses had sought treatment for Aislin’s finicky eating habits.

Doctor says child is normal
As the Bateses appealed the decision, their own family doctor went to bat for them, writing to the insurer and stating Aislin’s small size was genetic, that she was developing normally and there was no reason to deny coverage. But Robert Bates said the company rejected the appeal, simply reiterating that Aislin didn’t meet underwriting standards.

Rachel Bates told Burnett their daughter “is not sick at all; she’s just petite, and that’s the issue.” She said little Aislin has been graded in the 3rd percentile for child height and weight, but has been progressing normally in her own range.

Robert and Rachel realized Aislin was a picky eater early on, and went the extra mile to enroll her in food therapy. But instead of earning brownie points with the insurer, the family believes having their daughter in treatment is actually being held against them.


Therapy for picky eating
“We wanted to fix her picky eating, because we want her to be able to eat a wide variety of foods, and not just things she wants to eat, like chocolate,” Rachel Bates told TODAY.

“We personally sought out therapy; it was not prescribed by a doctor. In the process, it was found that [Aislin] has just a minor, minor gag reflex, causing her to not like certain foods. But the therapist says she’s thriving and fine, and she’s developing normally and in fact, possibly advanced.”

Appearing on TODAY with the Bates family, which also includes 3-month-old boy Elliott, Dr. Nancy Snyderman quickly broke in when Burnett professed she didn’t understand what the problem is with insuring Aislin.

“You don’t understand? Because there’s nothing here to understand,” Snyderman said. “This is just so bogus. A pre-existing condition for a child this age is birth, let’s be real!”

The case of Alex Lange had a happy ending. After the family appeared on TODAY, Rocky Mountain Health Plans reversed its decision and agreed to insure the child, and admitted there was a flaw in its underwriting system.

‘Cherry-picking of health plans’
Robert Bates, to date, has had no such luck. While he continues to lobby United HealthCare to cover Aislin, the family has been forced to look at other options. Aislin is currently insured under a COBRA plan from Bates’ previous job, but it expires in 18 months.

Snyderman was clearly agitated that the Bates family has to go through worry and uncertainty over insuring Aislin, and said her prognosticating skills have unfortunately been proven accurate.

“Last week we talked about how crazy it was that there was a chubby baby being denied, and I said next thing you know, we’ll hear about the skinny kid. So here’s the skinny kid,” she said, pointing to Aislin.

“I think what we’re really seeing is the cherry-picking of health care plans across the country,” Snyderman said, adding, “If anyone doubted the significance of health care reform in this country, this is why things have to change.

“This is egregious.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33411196/ns ... ay_health/

BTW, I bet that this all works out for the family, only because the company has now been shamed in the press.

Re: Another example of "the market knows whats best"

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:24 am
by dbackjon
This shit happens daily. Socialized medicine is the answer

Re: Another example of "the market knows whats best"

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:46 am
by Appaholic
dbackjon wrote:This shit happens daily. Socialized medicine is the answer
For $500 & the lead, the question is.....

"What is the latest governmental boondoggle to enable employment security to sub-marginal workers while also providing sub-marginal care to American citizens & undocumented workers alike & exorbitant susidized prices due to inherent ineffeciencies?"

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Re: Another example of "the market knows whats best"

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:52 am
by Pwns
dbackjon wrote:This **** happens daily. Socialized medicine is the answer
Why does reform have to entail socialized medicine?

Re: Another example of "the market knows whats best"

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:21 am
by Cleets Part 2
I just want to know how we can make more people die even faster...?

Free Cigarettes in grade school
Hand guns passed out at sporting events
Burning down retirement complexes at night

what's the best way: Maybe all of the above... we've got probably 120 million too many Americans

I know: we need to start a war..!!! A World War..!!!

:nod:

Re: Another example of "the market knows whats best"

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:07 pm
by Appaholic
Cleets Part 2 wrote:I just want to know how we can make more people die even faster...?

Free Cigarettes in grade school
Hand guns passed out at sporting events
Burning down retirement complexes at night

what's the best way: Maybe all of the above... we've got probably 120 million too many Americans

I know: we need to start a war..!!! A World War..!!!

:nod:
A good old-fashioned plague would do it....

Re: Another example of "the market knows whats best"

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:35 pm
by OSBF
Appaholic wrote:
Cleets Part 2 wrote:I just want to know how we can make more people die even faster...?

Free Cigarettes in grade school
Hand guns passed out at sporting events
Burning down retirement complexes at night

what's the best way: Maybe all of the above... we've got probably 120 million too many Americans

I know: we need to start a war..!!! A World War..!!!

:nod:
A good old-fashioned plague would do it....
H1N1 is trying its damndest to fill the void

Re: Another example of "the market knows whats best"

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:53 pm
by Rob Iola
hank scorpio wrote:Just another reason to pass healthcare reform: :twocents:
Toddler denied insurance for being too small

First, a Colorado baby was turned down for health insurance for being too big. Now, another Colorado child has been turned down for health insurance for being too small.

Just a week after TODAY highlighted the story of 4-month-old Alex Lange, who at 17 pounds was considered obese, the show presented Wednesday the equally curious case of 2-year-old Aislin Bates, who at 22 pounds was turned down for health insurance for not meeting a proposed insurer’s height and weight standards.

Aislin’s dad, Robert Bates, told TODAY’s Erin Burnett he was shocked that United HealthCare turned down their request for coverage when their daughter is basically a picture of health, having suffered nothing more than a common cold in her life. Doctors have told Robert and his wife, Rachel, that Aislin’s small size is purely a matter of genes, not ill health.

“It seems as if they’re discriminating about the fact that she’s smaller, that her size is an issue,” Robert Bates said. “I don’t see why that would be a factor in whether or not a child is healthy.”

Bates told TODAY that he and his family were previously insured by United HealthCare. Two months after Aislin was born, his employer switched plans to Guardian Health Insurance. In August, Bates left his job to become self-employed, and he went back to United HealthCare requesting coverage. The insurer turned down coverage for Aislin — even though it had already insured Aislin as an infant — stating she did not meet height and weight standards and also noting the Bateses had sought treatment for Aislin’s finicky eating habits.

Doctor says child is normal
As the Bateses appealed the decision, their own family doctor went to bat for them, writing to the insurer and stating Aislin’s small size was genetic, that she was developing normally and there was no reason to deny coverage. But Robert Bates said the company rejected the appeal, simply reiterating that Aislin didn’t meet underwriting standards.

Rachel Bates told Burnett their daughter “is not sick at all; she’s just petite, and that’s the issue.” She said little Aislin has been graded in the 3rd percentile for child height and weight, but has been progressing normally in her own range.

Robert and Rachel realized Aislin was a picky eater early on, and went the extra mile to enroll her in food therapy. But instead of earning brownie points with the insurer, the family believes having their daughter in treatment is actually being held against them.


Therapy for picky eating
“We wanted to fix her picky eating, because we want her to be able to eat a wide variety of foods, and not just things she wants to eat, like chocolate,” Rachel Bates told TODAY.

“We personally sought out therapy; it was not prescribed by a doctor. In the process, it was found that [Aislin] has just a minor, minor gag reflex, causing her to not like certain foods. But the therapist says she’s thriving and fine, and she’s developing normally and in fact, possibly advanced.”

Appearing on TODAY with the Bates family, which also includes 3-month-old boy Elliott, Dr. Nancy Snyderman quickly broke in when Burnett professed she didn’t understand what the problem is with insuring Aislin.

“You don’t understand? Because there’s nothing here to understand,” Snyderman said. “This is just so bogus. A pre-existing condition for a child this age is birth, let’s be real!”

The case of Alex Lange had a happy ending. After the family appeared on TODAY, Rocky Mountain Health Plans reversed its decision and agreed to insure the child, and admitted there was a flaw in its underwriting system.

‘Cherry-picking of health plans’
Robert Bates, to date, has had no such luck. While he continues to lobby United HealthCare to cover Aislin, the family has been forced to look at other options. Aislin is currently insured under a COBRA plan from Bates’ previous job, but it expires in 18 months.

Snyderman was clearly agitated that the Bates family has to go through worry and uncertainty over insuring Aislin, and said her prognosticating skills have unfortunately been proven accurate.

“Last week we talked about how crazy it was that there was a chubby baby being denied, and I said next thing you know, we’ll hear about the skinny kid. So here’s the skinny kid,” she said, pointing to Aislin.

“I think what we’re really seeing is the cherry-picking of health care plans across the country,” Snyderman said, adding, “If anyone doubted the significance of health care reform in this country, this is why things have to change.

“This is egregious.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33411196/ns ... ay_health/

BTW, I bet that this all works out for the family, only because the company has now been shamed in the press.
Any quotes from the insurance companies? Any balance to this story?

Usually it's a little more involved than a cut and dried "s/he's too ____ so we're denying coverage" - in this case I'm curious about just how pricey this food therapy is, because no doubt the insurance company will be required to pay for it. Also, I'm curious as to why a quick google search of Aislin Bates returns absolutely no responses from any medical or insurance sources. My guess is that the family had options but chose to make her into a poster child...

Trotting out cute kids to advance a political cause is as old as the earth...

Re: Another example of "the market knows whats best"

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:56 pm
by Rob Iola
On a related note, hold onto your wallets when coverage discussions turn to autism and the medical aspects of special needs kids - sad when truly sick kids are involved, but absolutely abused to the hilt by the vast majority of complaining parents (pesky mercury in those vaccinations)...

Re: Another example of "the market knows whats best"

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:09 pm
by native
dbackjon wrote:This **** happens daily. Socialized medicine is the answer
YOU pay fo it.

Re: Another example of "the market knows whats best"

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:14 pm
by ATrain
As long as we don't end up with a healthcare system like Canada's or Great Britain's, I'm all for socialized medicine...just don't cut Social Security Disability Programs, please

Re: Another example of "the market knows whats best"

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:12 pm
by Cleets Part 2
ATrain wrote:As long as we don't end up with a healthcare system like Canada's or Great Britain's, I'm all for socialized medicine...just don't cut Social Security Disability Programs, please

Why you rotten communist bastard..!!!! any and all government programs are run poorly and wasteful and all of them should be either closed shut down or completely re-vamped

:coffee: you slacker

Re: Another example of "the market knows whats best"

Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:40 pm
by Grizalltheway
native wrote:
dbackjon wrote:This **** happens daily. Socialized medicine is the answer
YOU pay fo it.
He will, jackass. You're not the only one in the country who makes money. :roll:

Re: Another example of "the market knows whats best"

Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:00 pm
by AZGrizFan
OSBF wrote:
Appaholic wrote:
A good old-fashioned plague would do it....
H1N1 is trying its damndest to fill the void
:roll: You're not buyin' into that hype, are you?

H1N1 couldn't hold AID's jock. :coffee:

Re: Another example of "the market knows whats best"

Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:25 am
by Appaholic
AZGrizFan wrote:
OSBF wrote:
H1N1 is trying its damndest to fill the void
:roll: You're not buyin' into that hype, are you?

H1N1 couldn't hold AID's jock. :coffee:
No shit....probably as many people will die from the vaccine as the sickness itself...it's weak... :lol:

Re: Another example of "the market knows whats best"

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:11 pm
by hank scorpio
Oh Snap!
WASHINGTON - The U.S. health care system is just as wasteful as President Barack Obama says it is, and proposed reforms could be paid for by fixing some of the most obvious inefficiencies, preventing mistakes and fighting fraud, according to a Thomson Reuters report released on Monday.

The U.S. health care system wastes between $505 billion and $850 billion every year, the report from Robert Kelley, vice president of health care analytics at Thomson Reuters, found.

"America's health care system is indeed hemorrhaging billions of dollars, and the opportunities to slow the fiscal bleeding are substantial," the report reads.

"The bad news is that an estimated $700 billion is wasted annually. That's one-third of the nation's health care bill," Kelley said in a statement.

"The good news is that by attacking waste we can reduce health care costs without adversely affecting the quality of care or access to care."

One example — a paper-based system that discourages sharing of medical records accounts for 6 percent of annual overspending.

"It is waste when caregivers duplicate tests because results recorded in a patient's record with one provider are not available to another or when medical staff provides inappropriate treatment because relevant history of previous treatment cannot be accessed," the report reads.

Some other findings in the report from Thomson Reuters, the parent company of Reuters:

Unnecessary care such as the overuse of antibiotics and lab tests to protect against malpractice exposure makes up 37 percent of health care waste or $200 to $300 billion a year.
Fraud makes up 22 percent of health care waste, or up to $200 billion a year in fraudulent Medicare claims, kickbacks for referrals for unnecessary services and other scams.
Administrative inefficiency and redundant paperwork account for 18 percent of health care waste.
Medical mistakes account for $50 billion to $100 billion in unnecessary spending each year, or 11 percent of the total.
Preventable conditions such as uncontrolled diabetes cost $30 billion to $50 billion a year.
"The average U.S. hospital spends one-quarter of its budget on billing and administration, nearly twice the average in Canada," reads the report, citing dozens of other research papers.

"American physicians spend nearly eight hours per week on paperwork and employ 1.66 clerical workers per doctor, far more than in Canada," it says, quoting a 2003 New England Journal of Medicine paper by Harvard University researcher Dr. Steffie Woolhandler.

Yet primary care doctors are lacking, forcing wasteful use of emergency rooms, for instance, the report reads.

All this could help explain why Americans spend more per capita and the highest percentage of GDP on health care than any other OECD country, yet has an unhealthier population with more diabetes, obesity and heart disease and higher rates of neonatal deaths than other developed nations.

Democratic Senator Charles Schumer said on Sunday that Senate Democratic leaders are close to securing enough votes to pass legislation to start reform of the country's $2.5 trillion health care system.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33480141/ns ... alth_care/