CitadelGrad's PSU Bitch thread

[Ibanez]

That's stupid. You can't change the past. And when people, 50 years from now, wonder why PSU had a "losing streak" that spanned 12 years, JoPa will be brought up. That doesn't make sense to me. Let's just put an * by his name and in the footnotes say, "Molesting CCU Enabler."

Mark -

Pedophiles are neither gay nor straight - it is statements like this that are collateral damage.

If he had been raping 10 year old girls, would you say Molesting breeder Enabler?

Back to post - Joe and his family are very arrogant - they wanted the wins record at all cost. It is appropriate to take that from him. While JOe is in hell now, his family gets to suffer some from this, as they should.

Sexually, he was gay. And my post is tounge in cheek.

Yes, I would say "Molesting Breeder Enabler".

But, Joes family shouldn't suffer. They didn't commit the crime or be the coward. Don't lay the crimes of the father on the family. That isn't justice or appropriate.

[GannonFan]

Back to post - Joe and his family are very arrogant - they wanted the wins record at all cost. It is appropriate to take that from him. While JOe is in hell now, his family gets to suffer some from this, as they should.

Is there any evidence than anyone other than Joe in the Paterno family knew anything? Kinda vindictive here towards a family you or I know very little about. The glee with which to take in terms of the "sufferering" they should get is unseemly.

[93henfan]

Back to post - Joe and his family are very arrogant - they wanted the wins record at all cost. It is appropriate to take that from him. While JOe is in hell now, his family gets to suffer some from this, as they should.

Is there any evidence than anyone other than Joe in the Paterno family knew anything? Kinda vindictive here towards a family you or I know very little about. The glee with which to take in terms of the "sufferering" they should get is unseemly.

I guess I'm not the only one who noticed. Sheesh.

[EPJr]

The Big Ten announced it'll match the NCAA's four-year bowl ban with a four-year conference championship ban -- not that PSU's going to the Big Ten title game any time soon -- and will redistribute Penn State's cut of Big Ten bowl revenue for the same period to children's charities. That should amount to something like $13 million.

[CitadelGrad]

If n one knows what the sanctions are how can it be known if they are constitutional?

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Did you read the article?

[rkwittem]

O.M.G. INSANE. (but I kinda like it)

You don't know jack. Others on this board have expressed well though out views.

Yeah, everyone except you.

[CitadelGrad]

Exactly. If that tweet is even HALF true, the NCAA is DEFINITELY overstepping their bounds. IMO, this is a LE issue, NOT a sports issue. The NCAA should see their way OUT.

You are wrong. It IS a sports issue. It was centered around the football program. Not sure why anyone doesn't think it ISN"t a sports issue.

Um, because it had nothing to do with sports. In what way did the coverup give Penn State Football a competitive advantage?

[dbackjon]

You are wrong. It IS a sports issue. It was centered around the football program. Not sure why anyone doesn't think it ISN"t a sports issue.

Um, because it had nothing to do with sports. In what way did the coverup give Penn State Football a competitive advantage?

Kept the illusion of Joe being a good guy alive. Kept the illusion of Penn State running a clean program alive.

Penn State would have suffered some bad publicity back then - Joe was obsessed with the win record - his win at any costs attitude allowed the child rape to continue.

Has EVERYTHING to due with lack of institutional control.

[GannonFan]

You are wrong. It IS a sports issue. It was centered around the football program. Not sure why anyone doesn't think it ISN"t a sports issue.

Um, because it had nothing to do with sports. In what way did the coverup give Penn State Football a competitive advantage?

It spared them the embarrasment of the publicity of a high level coach (remember, before '98 it was widely viewed that Sandusky was the next in line once JoePa retired) being convicted of child abuse. Bad press would keep some recruits away. Ironically, that's exactly what's going to happen now, for much longer, than if they had let it come out back then. Tangled web indeed.

[dbackjon]

And again, your anger is misplaced.

Don't be mad at me, the NCAA or the media.

Be mad at Sandusky, Paterno, Spanier, etc.

[rkwittem]

You are wrong. It IS a sports issue. It was centered around the football program. Not sure why anyone doesn't think it ISN"t a sports issue.

Um, because it had nothing to do with sports. In what way did the coverup give Penn State Football a competitive advantage?

Duh, because revealing that you were allowing a sexual predator to use your facilities for his extra-curricular behavior is not good for recruiting. Outing him would have given opposing coaches another angle to attack Penn State in recruiting for a time. You really think JoePa wanted his coaching peers to know he tried to ignore this?

We've already established that Penn State fans are lunatics about their football team, but to claim that Jerry Sandusky, a former defensive coordinator on their football team and a secret pedophile, has nothing to do with sports is beyond insane. It is delusional. It is truly mind-boggling how stupid you actually are.

I guess the Ohio State stuff from last year had nothing to do with sports because it involved a tattoo parlor? Wrong. As long as members of the athletic department, be they student athletes or administrators or coaches are involved, it will be a sports issue.

[∞∞∞]

They should've gotten a TV ban as well. Nonetheless, nice job by the NCAA.

[ASUMountaineer]

are unconstitutional, according to at least one law firm.

http://michaelbucknerlaw.wordpress.com/ ... enn-state/

If the media reports are true, then the NCAA has charted an unprecedented, and perhaps unconstitutional, course of action. Federal and state courts have consistently held that membership organizations, including athletics associations like the NCAA, are required to provide procedures that protect their members against arbitrary and irrational action. Thus, an NCAA rule or decision cannot be applied unreasonably so that it creates different classes of schools. Accordingly, any NCAA sanction against Penn State at this stage may potentially violate federal and state notions of due and fair process for several reasons, .........

Honestly, to me, the penalties are so nominal compared to what Sandusky was allowed to do in PSU's football facilities. They got hammered hard, but I'd be interested to see--if PSU does challenge the penalties--what a court would decide.

[ASUMountaineer]

You are wrong. It IS a sports issue. It was centered around the football program. Not sure why anyone doesn't think it ISN"t a sports issue.

Um, because it had nothing to do with sports. In what way did the coverup give Penn State Football a competitive advantage?

Is it possible that it is a football issue because the perp was allowed to commit his crimes in football facilities and bring victims to practice, games, etc.? I am not sure of the answer, just asking your opinion (though, I think your answer will be no).

[CitadelGrad]

Um, because it had nothing to do with sports. In what way did the coverup give Penn State Football a competitive advantage?

Kept the illusion of Joe being a good guy alive. Kept the illusion of Penn State running a clean program alive.

Penn State would have suffered some bad publicity back then - Joe was obsessed with the win record - his win at any costs attitude allowed the child rape to continue.

Has EVERYTHING to due with lack of institutional control.

The Penn State program was and remains clean. Not once in its history has it been found guilty of NCAA violations. You can talk about loss of institutional control all you wish, but as the NCAA defines institutional control, there was no loss of institutional control at Penn State.

[CitadelGrad]

Um, because it had nothing to do with sports. In what way did the coverup give Penn State Football a competitive advantage?

Is it possible that it is a football issue because the perp was allowed to commit his crimes in football facilities and bring victims to practice, games, etc.? I am not sure of the answer, just asking your opinion (though, I think your answer will be no).

Sandusky had access to the football facilities because of his emeritus status. That status was granted by the university, not the football program or Paterno. He was not "allowed" to commit his crimes in football facilities. Do you think he was given permission to do so? No. He did it because he is a criminal.

Sandusky was not allowed to bring kids on campus after the 2001 shower incident. I have no idea why you think otherwise.

[Ibanez]

Kept the illusion of Joe being a good guy alive. Kept the illusion of Penn State running a clean program alive.

Penn State would have suffered some bad publicity back then - Joe was obsessed with the win record - his win at any costs attitude allowed the child rape to continue.

Has EVERYTHING to due with lack of institutional control.

The Penn State program was and remains clean. Not once in its history has it been found guilty of NCAA violations. You can talk about loss of institutional control all you wish, but as the NCAA defines institutional control, there was no loss of institutional control at Penn State.

You think that is the reason that the NCAA made no mention of loss of institutional control in its announcement?

[CitadelGrad]

The Penn State program was and remains clean. Not once in its history has it been found guilty of NCAA violations. You can talk about loss of institutional control all you wish, but as the NCAA defines institutional control, there was no loss of institutional control at Penn State.

You think that is the reason that the NCAA made no mention of loss of institutional control in its announcement?

The NCAA had many reasons to sanction Penn State, all of them self-serving.

[ASUMountaineer]

Is it possible that it is a football issue because the perp was allowed to commit his crimes in football facilities and bring victims to practice, games, etc.? I am not sure of the answer, just asking your opinion (though, I think your answer will be no).

Sandusky had access to the football facilities because of his emeritus status. That status was granted by the university, not the football program or Paterno. He was not "allowed" to commit his crimes in football facilities. Do you think he was given permission to do so? No. He did it because he is a criminal.

Sandusky was not allowed to bring kids on campus after the 2001 shower incident. I have no idea why you think otherwise.

Of course he wasn't given permission. I didn't say he was.

As to the second bold part, I never indicated that I thought otherwise. I simply asked if Sandusky committing crimes in football facilities that he had access to could be a possible explanation for why the NCAA considers it a football issue. I even said "I don't know the answer..." I asked what you thought, and you didn't answer...although, like I said, I am confident your answer is no.

[bench]

Kept the illusion of Joe being a good guy alive. Kept the illusion of Penn State running a clean program alive.

Penn State would have suffered some bad publicity back then - Joe was obsessed with the win record - his win at any costs attitude allowed the child rape to continue.

Has EVERYTHING to due with lack of institutional control.

The Penn State program was and remains clean. Not once in its history has it been found guilty of NCAA violations. You can talk about loss of institutional control all you wish, but as the NCAA defines institutional control, there was no loss of institutional control at Penn State.

When speaking of recent history at Penn State, I much prefer the euphemism "shower-fresh."

[bluehenbillk]

When speaking of recent history at Penn State, I much prefer the euphemism "shower-fresh."

Post of the Year Candidate

[BDKJMU]

So what did the NCAA do to punish the 5 people who were responsible for this whole mess? Seems to me other than wiping 14 yrs of Paterno victories out the record books, they did nothing to the other 4 who appear to be the ones soley responsible for this.

[bluehenbillk]

So what did the NCAA do to punish the 5 people who were responsible for this whole mess? Seems to me other than wiping 14 yrs of Paterno victories out the record books, they did nothing to the other 4 who appear to be the ones soley responsible for this.

Smartass - what would you do? One is in jail, soon to be for life, one is dead - the others have been removed from power. As far as the NCAA is now concerned - case closed.

[BDKJMU]

So what did the NCAA do to punish the 5 people who were responsible for this whole mess? Seems to me other than wiping 14 yrs of Paterno victories out the record books, they did nothing to the other 4 who appear to be the ones soley responsible for this.

Smartass - what would you do? One is in jail, soon to be for life, one is dead - the others have been removed from power. As far as the NCAA is now concerned - case closed.

So who is the NCAA punishing that is guilty of anything?

[DJH]

And again, your anger is misplaced.

Don't be mad at me, the NCAA or the media.

Be mad at Sandusky, Paterno, Spanier, etc.

Exactly. Be mad at those people.

So, please tell me why, people that had nothing to do with this whatsoever (current coaches, players, and new administrators) are the one's being punished?

YOUR anger is misplaced.