The Mountain West Conference

[youngterrier]

I'm a realest. The SEC west was the best this year. The ACC was the bottom and you have your beer goggles on if you think otherwise. Could you have an argument for the MWC being weaker? certainly. But the MWC had one thing this year and that was consistency. The terrible bottom of the pack, with the exception of BYU who improved over the year, did not beat any of the top teams whereas in the ACC that is commonplace. That's why they are better. They win the games they should win. The ACC doesn't and there are multiple examples of this year alone of teams losing when they shouldn't

I will agree the SEC West was the best division in cfb this year. However the ACC was by far not the worst, and you are being an ignorant SEC honk if you think otherwise. Aside from Miami losing to Virginia, what other "top team" lost to one of the bottom teams, and since you think Miami was a middle of the pack ACC team, I guess that one doesn't count either. So your argument is moot.

Since you haven't refuted my point let's look at it further. Clemson was horrible this year, I live in SC and saw many games (And Auburn was not as good as they are now when they played). How did second to last in the ACC atlantic Clemson smack the shit out of Atlantic cochamp Maryland 31-7? How did the Atlantic Co-champ FSU lose to an average UNC team? How Did Boston College win a game at all? I could go on and on. But the ACC was second to only the Big East in terms of incompetent BCS conferences. Heck, I think not only the Mountain West is a better conference, but the WAC too (in its current state). A few CUSA teams could beat ACC teams (the team with worst defense in the nation, ECU, beat NC State!). The ACC is not good. Virginia Tech this year is the only consistently good team this year but only since week 3. Everyone else is a failure in that conference.

[youngterrier]

Like, gag me with a spoon. I'll NEVER take the SEC or any portion of it as the best in CFB. There's a better argument for the BSC or the CAA than the SEC....

Crack is one hell of a drug. I can tell you now that your position cannot be defended, how about that Griz vs Flames matchup on the 7th?

[MrTitleist]

Like, gag me with a spoon. I'll NEVER take the SEC or any portion of it as the best in CFB. There's a better argument for the BSC or the CAA than the SEC....

This is a grown-up conversation, step away.

[nwFL Griz]

I will agree the SEC West was the best division in cfb this year. However the ACC was by far not the worst, and you are being an ignorant SEC honk if you think otherwise. Aside from Miami losing to Virginia, what other "top team" lost to one of the bottom teams, and since you think Miami was a middle of the pack ACC team, I guess that one doesn't count either. So your argument is moot.

Since you haven't refuted my point let's look at it further. Clemson was horrible this year, I live in SC and saw many games (And Auburn was not as good as they are now when they played). How did second to last in the ACC atlantic Clemson smack the shit out of Atlantic cochamp Maryland 31-7? How did the Atlantic Co-champ FSU lose to an average UNC team? How Did Boston College win a game at all? I could go on and on. But the ACC was second to only the Big East in terms of incompetent BCS conferences. Heck, I think not only the Mountain West is a better conference, but the WAC too (in its current state). A few CUSA teams could beat ACC teams (the team with worst defense in the nation, ECU, beat NC State!). The ACC is not good. Virginia Tech this year is the only consistently good team this year but only since week 3. Everyone else is a failure in that conference.

Your hatred of Clemson is clouding your judgement on this one youngterrier. You talk to me about my bias showing, but you...

Clemson is a solid football team. Average UNC team? Really? Even losing something like 16 players to suspension (including two first round draft picks) and a bunch more to injury, they still were a dropped pass away from beating mighty LSU, and still managed to beat another SEC team in a bowl game (don't even start with the refs...blah, blah).

How did BC win a game at all? I don't know, how did they win 7 games?

You are obviously uninformed and/or severely biased against ACC teams. Hell, I hate most of the ACC, and in no way am I a conference cheerleader like most you SEC guys are...but I cannot sit here and listen to you spout off about the MWC, WAC and CUSA being better than the ACC.

Good thing is, pretty much anyone who is actively involved with college football, and knows anything about it, agrees with me, and not you.

[youngterrier]

Since you haven't refuted my point let's look at it further. Clemson was horrible this year, I live in SC and saw many games (And Auburn was not as good as they are now when they played). How did second to last in the ACC atlantic Clemson smack the shit out of Atlantic cochamp Maryland 31-7? How did the Atlantic Co-champ FSU lose to an average UNC team? How Did Boston College win a game at all? I could go on and on. But the ACC was second to only the Big East in terms of incompetent BCS conferences. Heck, I think not only the Mountain West is a better conference, but the WAC too (in its current state). A few CUSA teams could beat ACC teams (the team with worst defense in the nation, ECU, beat NC State!). The ACC is not good. Virginia Tech this year is the only consistently good team this year but only since week 3. Everyone else is a failure in that conference.

Your hatred of Clemson is clouding your judgement on this one youngterrier. You talk to me about my bias showing, but you...

Clemson is a solid football team. Average UNC team? Really? Even losing something like 16 players to suspension (including two first round draft picks) and a bunch more to injury, they still were a dropped pass away from beating mighty LSU, and still managed to beat another SEC team in a bowl game (don't even start with the refs...blah, blah).

How did BC win a game at all? I don't know, how did they win 7 games?

You are obviously uninformed and/or severely biased against ACC teams. Hell, I hate most of the ACC, and in no way am I a conference cheerleader like most you SEC guys are...but I cannot sit here and listen to you spout off about the MWC, WAC and CUSA being better than the ACC.

Good thing is, pretty much anyone who is actively involved with college football, and knows anything about it, agrees with me, and not you.

seeing as your the only one defending your position in this thread.....your conclusion seems to be somewhat misinformed. BC was terrible this year, that was my point. I live in the middle of Clemson territory, I watch their games and hear the opinion of their fans everyday. They suck, their QB was horrible and their fans were celebrating when he got injured in the bowl game. Tennessee was average at best and they lost because North Carolina was equally average. I tend to not care about the first game of the season as that game can be the least accurate as teams make lots of mistakes. There is probably 1 team i consider great in the ACC, 2 that are "good," and 2 that are "average" the rest are garbage. The MWC is better for sure, the WAC is close, Conference USA has a few teams that could hang with the upper ranks of the ECU, as they have on a consistent basis.

[nwFL Griz]

Your hatred of Clemson is clouding your judgement on this one youngterrier. You talk to me about my bias showing, but you...

Clemson is a solid football team. Average UNC team? Really? Even losing something like 16 players to suspension (including two first round draft picks) and a bunch more to injury, they still were a dropped pass away from beating mighty LSU, and still managed to beat another SEC team in a bowl game (don't even start with the refs...blah, blah).

How did BC win a game at all? I don't know, how did they win 7 games?

You are obviously uninformed and/or severely biased against ACC teams. Hell, I hate most of the ACC, and in no way am I a conference cheerleader like most you SEC guys are...but I cannot sit here and listen to you spout off about the MWC, WAC and CUSA being better than the ACC.

Good thing is, pretty much anyone who is actively involved with college football, and knows anything about it, agrees with me, and not you.

seeing as your the only one defending your position in this thread.....your conclusion seems to be somewhat misinformed. BC was terrible this year, that was my point. I live in the middle of Clemson territory, I watch their games and hear the opinion of their fans everyday. They suck, their QB was horrible and their fans were celebrating when he got injured in the bowl game. Tennessee was average at best and they lost because North Carolina was equally average. I tend to not care about the first game of the season as that game can be the least accurate as teams make lots of mistakes. There is probably 1 team i consider great in the ACC, 2 that are "good," and 2 that are "average" the rest are garbage. The MWC is better for sure, the WAC is close, Conference USA has a few teams that could hang with the upper ranks of the ECU, as they have on a consistent basis.

If you are taking the responses of people in this thread as "pretty much anyone who is actively involved with college football, and knows anything about it" then there is nothing I can say to you. The only other one arguing is Mr. Titleist, who is obviously a MWC guy, so...take that for what it's worth.

Anyhow, I'm done here. You come with no facts at all, just your hate, so congrats, you win the internet.

[MrTitleist]

Hey, I resemble that remark!

[youngterrier]

seeing as your the only one defending your position in this thread.....your conclusion seems to be somewhat misinformed. BC was terrible this year, that was my point. I live in the middle of Clemson territory, I watch their games and hear the opinion of their fans everyday. They suck, their QB was horrible and their fans were celebrating when he got injured in the bowl game. Tennessee was average at best and they lost because North Carolina was equally average. I tend to not care about the first game of the season as that game can be the least accurate as teams make lots of mistakes. There is probably 1 team i consider great in the ACC, 2 that are "good," and 2 that are "average" the rest are garbage. The MWC is better for sure, the WAC is close, Conference USA has a few teams that could hang with the upper ranks of the ECU, as they have on a consistent basis.

If you are taking the responses of people in this thread as "pretty much anyone who is actively involved with college football, and knows anything about it" then there is nothing I can say to you. The only other one arguing is Mr. Titleist, who is obviously a MWC guy, so...take that for what it's worth.

Anyhow, I'm done here. You come with no facts at all, just your hate, so congrats, you win the internet.

ok sure, you said that before. I'm an FCS guy personally. Heck I consider myself bias for little guys but there is legitimate fact to think that Nevada and such could beat ACC teams. I live in SEC country and ACC country, and prefer SEC but the passion has died down since FCS has gotten bigger for me. So really I consider myself not necessarily objective but very knowledgeable. You're the Miami guy so you won't accept that your team sucks in a bad conference . I've used just as much facts as hate, for goodness sake I've used actual game outcomes in rebuttal of your "facts"(if you want to call them that) and the only fact you've been able to "beat me with" is UNC playing close to LSU, good for you blind squirrels find nuts sometimes too

[nwFL Griz]

Hey, I resemble that remark!

I'm not hating on you bro...truth be told, if I had to pick 1 conference as my favorite...it's the MWC. Don't tell anyone though.

[nwFL Griz]

If you are taking the responses of people in this thread as "pretty much anyone who is actively involved with college football, and knows anything about it" then there is nothing I can say to you. The only other one arguing is Mr. Titleist, who is obviously a MWC guy, so...take that for what it's worth.

Anyhow, I'm done here. You come with no facts at all, just your hate, so congrats, you win the internet.

ok sure, you said that before. I'm an FCS guy personally. Heck I consider myself bias for little guys but there is legitimate fact to think that Nevada and such could beat ACC teams. I live in SEC country and ACC country, and prefer SEC but the passion has died down since FCS has gotten bigger for me. So really I consider myself not necessarily objective but very knowledgeable. You're the Miami guy so you won't accept that your team sucks in a bad conference . I've used just as much facts as hate, for goodness sake I've used actual game outcomes in rebuttal of your "facts"(if you want to call them that) and the only fact you've been able to "beat me with" is UNC playing close to LSU, good for you blind squirrels find nuts sometimes too

Why do I let you drag me back in?

You need to re-read the whole thread if you think all I've given is UNC v LSU.

I can absolutely accept that my team sucks. A huge disappointment this year. Flashes of brilliance combined with patches of absolute crap. But not in a bad conference...that's where you are wrong. Not the best conference, but not the worst either. I tend to agree with Jeff Sagarin, he has the ACC ranked 5, which is about right, I think. Pac10, SEC, Big12, Big10, ACC, BE, MWC, WAC, CUSA, Sun Belt (that's how Sagarin ranks em).

Of course Nevada and Boise could beat some ACC teams, but the rest of the WAC? Highly doubtful. I expect Nevada will lay the smack down on BC. If they don't, however, what will you say?

[youngterrier]

ok sure, you said that before. I'm an FCS guy personally. Heck I consider myself bias for little guys but there is legitimate fact to think that Nevada and such could beat ACC teams. I live in SEC country and ACC country, and prefer SEC but the passion has died down since FCS has gotten bigger for me. So really I consider myself not necessarily objective but very knowledgeable. You're the Miami guy so you won't accept that your team sucks in a bad conference . I've used just as much facts as hate, for goodness sake I've used actual game outcomes in rebuttal of your "facts"(if you want to call them that) and the only fact you've been able to "beat me with" is UNC playing close to LSU, good for you blind squirrels find nuts sometimes too

Why do I let you drag me back in?

You need to re-read the whole thread if you think all I've given is UNC v LSU.

I can absolutely accept that my team sucks. A huge disappointment this year. Flashes of brilliance combined with patches of absolute crap. But not in a bad conference...that's where you are wrong. Not the best conference, but not the worst either. I tend to agree with Jeff Sagarin, he has the ACC ranked 5, which is about right, I think. Pac10, SEC, Big12, Big10, ACC, BE, MWC, WAC, CUSA, Sun Belt (that's how Sagarin ranks em).

Of course Nevada and Boise could beat some ACC teams, but the rest of the WAC? Highly doubtful. I expect Nevada will lay the smack down on BC. If they don't, however, what will you say?

I've given you facts about the ACC being inconsistent and those facts still stand. The inconsistency of the ACC is what makes it so bad. The WAC would be iffy against the ACC, the lower teams would probably lose but Hawaii and Fresno could probably beat an ACC team if said game was played on their home field.
as far as conference standings go, I wouldn't say that the Pac10 is number one at all. The Pac 10 is Oregon Stanford then everyone else. If I was to rank the conferences it would probably be
1)SEC
2)Big 10 (and I predicted they would do bad on new year's day bowls)
3) Pac 10
4) Big 12 (was down this year big time)
5) MWC
6) ACC
7) WAC ( 3 10-win teams)
8) Big East
9) CUSA
10) MAC
11) Sunbelt

[nwFL Griz]

Why do I let you drag me back in?

You need to re-read the whole thread if you think all I've given is UNC v LSU.

I can absolutely accept that my team sucks. A huge disappointment this year. Flashes of brilliance combined with patches of absolute crap. But not in a bad conference...that's where you are wrong. Not the best conference, but not the worst either. I tend to agree with Jeff Sagarin, he has the ACC ranked 5, which is about right, I think. Pac10, SEC, Big12, Big10, ACC, BE, MWC, WAC, CUSA, Sun Belt (that's how Sagarin ranks em).

Of course Nevada and Boise could beat some ACC teams, but the rest of the WAC? Highly doubtful. I expect Nevada will lay the smack down on BC. If they don't, however, what will you say?

I've given you facts about the ACC being inconsistent and those facts still stand. The inconsistency of the ACC is what makes it so bad. The WAC would be iffy against the ACC, the lower teams would probably lose but Hawaii and Fresno could probably beat an ACC team if said game was played on their home field.
as far as conference standings go, I wouldn't say that the Pac10 is number one at all. The Pac 10 is Oregon Stanford then everyone else. If I was to rank the conferences it would probably be
1)SEC
2)Big 10 (and I predicted they would do bad on new year's day bowls)
3) Pac 10
4) Big 12 (was down this year big time)
5) MWC
6) ACC
7) WAC ( 3 10-win teams)
8) Big East
9) CUSA
10) MAC
11) Sunbelt

So one or two games makes a conference of 12 teams "inconsistent"? Conference games are a crap shoot, no matter what conference you are in. How many times do you think S. Caroliona beats Alabama? Does that make the SEC inconsistent? So, because Clemson beat Maryland, and Virginia beat Miami, that makes the ACC inconsistent? Do I have that right?

Also, because you say Hawaii and Fresno could beat "a" ACC team on their home field, that somehow makes the WAC on par with the ACC? Which ACC team do you think Fresno Or Hawaii could beat? VT? FSU? NCSU? Miami? UNC? Maryland? Those are all no. So, please explain. Hawaii couldn't beat Tulsa on it's own home field. It's impressive list of wins includes Army, UNLV, the scrubs of the WAC...and miraculously, Nevada (no idea how they pulled that off). Fresno beat who? Illinois is their signature win. Wow. Using outcomes of singular games to create the illusion that you want is pretty crafty, I'll have to hand it to you.

Your conference rankings, well...where to start. Big 10 #2? Did you actually watch any of those games? Michigan St had to have been the biggest fraud this year, next to Utah. Wisconsin, while good, needed a miracle to beat Arizona St, at home. Ohio St beat nobody, as usual, and will probably be exposed by Arkansas. The Big 12 easily outperformed the B10 this year. As did the Pac10. The only thing I would add, is I consider the Pac10/SEC a toss up. I think Alabama underperformed, and LSU overperformed. Realistically, LSU is a 3 or 4 loss team. I do not buy Auburn, though remain open to being convinced should they handle Oregon.

Anyhow, I'm tired and have to work tomorrow. I hope you enjoy VaTech beating Stanford tomorrow, what will you come up with then?

[youngterrier]

I've given you facts about the ACC being inconsistent and those facts still stand. The inconsistency of the ACC is what makes it so bad. The WAC would be iffy against the ACC, the lower teams would probably lose but Hawaii and Fresno could probably beat an ACC team if said game was played on their home field.
as far as conference standings go, I wouldn't say that the Pac10 is number one at all. The Pac 10 is Oregon Stanford then everyone else. If I was to rank the conferences it would probably be
1)SEC
2)Big 10 (and I predicted they would do bad on new year's day bowls)
3) Pac 10
4) Big 12 (was down this year big time)
5) MWC
6) ACC
7) WAC ( 3 10-win teams)
8) Big East
9) CUSA
10) MAC
11) Sunbelt

So one or two games makes a conference of 12 teams "inconsistent"? Conference games are a crap shoot, no matter what conference you are in. How many times do you think S. Caroliona beats Alabama? Does that make the SEC inconsistent? So, because Clemson beat Maryland, and Virginia beat Miami, that makes the ACC inconsistent? Do I have that right?

Also, because you say Hawaii and Fresno could beat "a" ACC team on their home field, that somehow makes the WAC on par with the ACC? Which ACC team do you think Fresno Or Hawaii could beat? VT? FSU? NCSU? Miami? UNC? Maryland? Those are all no. So, please explain. Hawaii couldn't beat Tulsa on it's own home field. It's impressive list of wins includes Army, UNLV, the scrubs of the WAC...and miraculously, Nevada (no idea how they pulled that off). Fresno beat who? Illinois is their signature win. Wow. Using outcomes of singular games to create the illusion that you want is pretty crafty, I'll have to hand it to you.

Your conference rankings, well...where to start. Big 10 #2? Did you actually watch any of those games? Michigan St had to have been the biggest fraud this year, next to Utah. Wisconsin, while good, needed a miracle to beat Arizona St, at home. Ohio St beat nobody, as usual, and will probably be exposed by Arkansas. The Big 12 easily outperformed the B10 this year. As did the Pac10. The only thing I would add, is I consider the Pac10/SEC a toss up. I think Alabama underperformed, and LSU overperformed. Realistically, LSU is a 3 or 4 loss team. I do not buy Auburn, though remain open to being convinced should they handle Oregon.

Anyhow, I'm tired and have to work tomorrow. I hope you enjoy VaTech beating Stanford tomorrow, what will you come up with then?

I didn't name all of the inconsistencies of the ACC. There are plenty. The only good team South Carolina beat was Alabama and I personally think they are a slightly overrated and are a year away, other than SC beating Bama the SEC West was fairly consistent whereas SC was the only team in the east that was moderately consistent. Miami and Maryland were not good this year. Had Clemson not scheduled weak as Sh!t ooc they wouldn't have gone to a bowl game. As I stated Hawaii plays well at home, but they don't play well on the road and in bowl games so my point still stands (they gave the 4th place PAC 10 team a pretty good fight). The Big 10 was good this year, they were a lot deeper than their record in yesterday's bowls showed. What happened to Michigan State was expected, as with Michigan, as with Wisconsin, as with Northwestern, as with Penn State. They just didn't match up well with their opponents, but the teams expected to possibly win did pretty decent. Wisconsin was great this year and you'd be a fool to think otherwise (and Arizona State was pretty good as well, they just didn't pull out the games they needed to become BE). The PAC 10 is in no way better than the SEC, probably the SEC east but the SEC overall, no sir. They had 5 BE teams this year, The SEC was able to manage that feat. UCLA, Wazzu, Oregon State, and Cal were pretty terrible this year. Washington and USC had flashes of mediocracy this year as well. Oregon only beat 2 teams with a record over .500.

[89Hen]

San Diego State would beat Miami by 15, minimum
BYU easily over Maryland

Based on what?

[youngterrier]

ACC inconsistency:
FSU (ACC coastal cochamp) got blown out by more against OU than UConn did
Maryland gets blown out by a terrible Clemson team
NC State loses to a .500 CUSA team (with the worst defense in the Nation), loses a nailbiter to clemson, who again was terrible, and really was outclassed by Maryland team that for all intents and purposes they should have beat.
The only team with a winning record that BC beat was Syracuse
The only thing Wake can hang it's hat on is that the worst ACC team is better than the worst SEC Team
Virginia tech was a good team, but JAMES MADISON?
Miami got outclassed by 3 teams they shouldn't have: USF, Notre Dame (ok Notre Dame was decent but they shouldn't have been losing 30-3), and VIRGINIA?
North Carolina was average this year, they lost early to GT, and got blown out by (again) average Miami, not to mention they played poorly against W&M.
Georgia Tech was terrible this year. They have the athletes and the coaches who know the option, and are superior to Air Force athletically IMO but they lost anyway. They still can't beat Miami. Oh and they lost to Kansas, the same Kansas who was the worst in the Big 12 this year, and quite frankly lost to FCS NDSU.


That's more than 2 games of inconsistency ^^^^^^

[youngterrier]

San Diego State would beat Miami by 15, minimum
BYU easily over Maryland

Based on what?

BYU/ Maryland would be a good game, but SDSU is probably one of the most underrated teams in the nation

[nwFL Griz]

ACC inconsistency:
FSU (ACC coastal cochamp) got blown out by more against OU than UConn did
Maryland gets blown out by a terrible Clemson team
NC State loses to a .500 CUSA team (with the worst defense in the Nation), loses a nailbiter to clemson, who again was terrible, and really was outclassed by Maryland team that for all intents and purposes they should have beat.
The only team with a winning record that BC beat was Syracuse
The only thing Wake can hang it's hat on is that the worst ACC team is better than the worst SEC Team
Virginia tech was a good team, but JAMES MADISON?
Miami got outclassed by 3 teams they shouldn't have: USF, Notre Dame (ok Notre Dame was decent but they shouldn't have been losing 30-3), and VIRGINIA?
North Carolina was average this year, they lost early to GT, and got blown out by (again) average Miami, not to mention they played poorly against W&M.
Georgia Tech was terrible this year. They have the athletes and the coaches who know the option, and are superior to Air Force athletically IMO but they lost anyway. They still can't beat Miami. Oh and they lost to Kansas, the same Kansas who was the worst in the Big 12 this year, and quite frankly lost to FCS NDSU.


That's more than 2 games of inconsistency ^^^^^^

Your usage of words is killing me.

Clemson and terrible do not belong in the same sentence. What makes a team terrible? Terrible is New Mexico or UNLV or Colorado St. Teams that win 6 games and go to a bowl are not terrible. Especially a team that took the #1 SEC team to the wire and should have won by all accounts. You claim, it was early, and Auburn wasn't playing as well as it is now. If that excuse works for Auburn, then it works for FSU too. That OU game was week 2, if it is played again, I can guarantee a different result.

No one said anything about Wake. Wake, Duke, Virginia....every conference has it's bottom feeders.

Yeah, yeah, VT lost to James Madison. All kinds of reasons for it, but stuff happens. Big deal, one game does not a season make.

I think we've covered Miami, they are the poster child for your ACC inconsistent claims.

UNC, average? Maybe, but considering the suspensions/injuries, I would call their season a success.

GT and terrible. Again, GT and terrible do not belong in the same sentence. GT will always lose bowl games. Give a team a month to prepare for a hugely one-dimensional team, and it's game over. Especially a team like AF, which runs the option itself, the game was alot closer that I thought it would be.

BTW, I know an SEC guy didn't just accuse anyone of scheduling weak as shit OOC.

Anyway, I am truly done, your analytical skills are truly lacking, alot of the crap you've said...replace the ACC team with a MWC team and the statement could be just as true.

[youngterrier]

BTW, I know an SEC guy didn't just accuse anyone of scheduling weak as shit OOC.

I wouldn't call myself an SEC guy, and Clemson played a shit OOC, outside of Auburn and SC (who they play every year), they played the juggernauts of North Texas and PC. Granted SEC scheduling isn't the toughest OOC but there are plenty of SEC teams that played a tougher OOC than Clemson

[89Hen]

SDSU is probably one of the most underrated teams in the nation

[tampajag]

ACC inconsistency:
FSU (ACC coastal cochamp) got blown out by more against OU than UConn did
Maryland gets blown out by a terrible Clemson team
NC State loses to a .500 CUSA team (with the worst defense in the Nation), loses a nailbiter to clemson, who again was terrible, and really was outclassed by Maryland team that for all intents and purposes they should have beat.
The only team with a winning record that BC beat was Syracuse
The only thing Wake can hang it's hat on is that the worst ACC team is better than the worst SEC Team
Virginia tech was a good team, but JAMES MADISON?
Miami got outclassed by 3 teams they shouldn't have: USF, Notre Dame (ok Notre Dame was decent but they shouldn't have been losing 30-3), and VIRGINIA?
North Carolina was average this year, they lost early to GT, and got blown out by (again) average Miami, not to mention they played poorly against W&M.
Georgia Tech was terrible this year. They have the athletes and the coaches who know the option, and are superior to Air Force athletically IMO but they lost anyway. They still can't beat Miami. Oh and they lost to Kansas, the same Kansas who was the worst in the Big 12 this year, and quite frankly lost to FCS NDSU.


That's more than 2 games of inconsistency ^^^^^^

MWC
TCU - great team won't say anything bad about them
Utah - got blown out by ND
San Diego St- upcoming team best win was a two point game against Air Force (only team with a winning record)
Air Force - had a close game against OU
BYU- to use your words they're "terrible" and they got handled by an inconsistent ACC team (at home and on the road)
Colorado St, UNLV, New Mexico, and Wyoming all combined for 9 wins. UNLV didn't even win an OOC game

Losing to the Big 12 Champ is an inconsistency? I guess Auburn is inconsistent since they beat a terrible (your words) Clemson team.

[tampajag]

BTW, I know an SEC guy didn't just accuse anyone of scheduling weak as **** OOC.

I wouldn't call myself an SEC guy, and Clemson played a **** OOC, outside of Auburn and SC (who they play every year), they played the juggernauts of North Texas and PC. Granted SEC scheduling isn't the toughest OOC but there are plenty of SEC teams that played a tougher OOC than Clemson

Let's look at these plenty of teams with tough OOC schedules:
Alabama - San Jose St, Penn St, @Duke, Georgia St
Arkansas - Tennessee Tech, ULM, Texas A&M, UTEP
Auburn - Arkansas St, Clemson, ULM, Chattanooga (all terrible teams)
Florida - Miami (OH), USF, App St, @Florida St
Georgia - ULL, @Colorado , Idaho St, Georgia Tech
Kentucky - @Louisville, Akron, Western Kentucky, Charleston Southern
LSU - North Carolina, West Virginia, McNeese, ULL
Mississippi St - Memphis, Alcorn, UAB, @Houston
Ole Miss - Jacksonville St, @Tulane, Fresno St, ULL
South Carolina - Southern Miss, Furman, Troy, @Clemson
Tennessee - Tennessee Martin, Oregon, UAB, @Memphis
Vanderbilt - Northwestern, @UCONN, @Eastern Michigan, Wake Forest

to me those look just like Clemson's OOC schedule

[nwFL Griz]

I wouldn't call myself an SEC guy, and Clemson played a **** OOC, outside of Auburn and SC (who they play every year), they played the juggernauts of North Texas and PC. Granted SEC scheduling isn't the toughest OOC but there are plenty of SEC teams that played a tougher OOC than Clemson

Let's look at these plenty of teams with tough OOC schedules:
Alabama - San Jose St, Penn St, @Duke, Georgia St
Arkansas - Tennessee Tech, ULM, Texas A&M, UTEP
Auburn - Arkansas St, Clemson, ULM, Chattanooga (all terrible teams)
Florida - Miami (OH), USF, App St, @Florida St
Georgia - ULL, @Colorado , Idaho St, Georgia Tech
Kentucky - @Louisville, Akron, Western Kentucky, Charleston Southern
LSU - North Carolina, West Virginia, McNeese, ULL
Mississippi St - Memphis, Alcorn, UAB, @Houston
Ole Miss - Jacksonville St, @Tulane, Fresno St, ULL
South Carolina - Southern Miss, Furman, Troy, @Clemson
Tennessee - Tennessee Martin, Oregon, UAB, @Memphis
Vanderbilt - Northwestern, @UCONN, @Eastern Michigan, Wake Forest

to me those look just like Clemson's OOC schedule

Don't waste your breath bro. Most of those look worse than Clemsons OOC.

[tampajag]

Let's look at these plenty of teams with tough OOC schedules:
Alabama - San Jose St, Penn St, @Duke, Georgia St
Arkansas - Tennessee Tech, ULM, Texas A&M, UTEP
Auburn - Arkansas St, Clemson, ULM, Chattanooga (all terrible teams)
Florida - Miami (OH), USF, App St, @Florida St
Georgia - ULL, @Colorado , Idaho St, Georgia Tech
Kentucky - @Louisville, Akron, Western Kentucky, Charleston Southern
LSU - North Carolina, West Virginia, McNeese, ULL
Mississippi St - Memphis, Alcorn, UAB, @Houston
Ole Miss - Jacksonville St, @Tulane, Fresno St, ULL
South Carolina - Southern Miss, Furman, Troy, @Clemson
Tennessee - Tennessee Martin, Oregon, UAB, @Memphis
Vanderbilt - Northwestern, @UCONN, @Eastern Michigan, Wake Forest

to me those look just like Clemson's OOC schedule

Don't waste your breath bro. Most of those look worse than Clemsons OOC.

I can never resist and I had some free time.

[youngterrier]

The tied-for-3rd MW team gave the Big 12/Fiesta bowl champ a better game than the second best ACC team. What does that tell you? My point with the OOCs was that Clemson wouldn't have made the postseason had they not had such crappy OOC, most of the teams listed that made bowls, with the exception of Tennessee, went at least 1-1 against the "quality" (BCS conference teams) they played. Clemson didn't. Did most of the SEC east need some weak OOC to make bowls? yes I will admit as much (and sadly a lot of their OOC wins are against Big East or ACC teams), but an interesting point is that The SEC may have scheduled easier OOC but the ACC still finds a way to lose to more non-AQ then the SEC, I count at least 7 compared to the SEC's 2 (UCF in a bowl and Jax State, we can agree that Ole Miss was utterly horrid this year)

BTW the Mountain west has a comparable 11 (about 11 from my count at least) losses to non-AQ conference teams( outside of their own conference play of course) , but a significant amount of those loses were to Nevada and Boise who probably were better than UConn and most if not all the ACC and Big East as well as most of the country, at least 4 were against them and I don't want to go back and get the exact number.

[youngterrier]

Correction, I have time. MWC losses to non-AQ OOC teams not named Nevada/Boise-6
ACC losses to non-AQ OOC teams not named Nevada/ Boise-5....

very comparable. If you want to count Notre Dame I think that would break it even at 7 but I'm pretty sure they are Autobid when they have a good season.

Against Autobid conferences the Mountain West was 6-9 however the top 5 was 6-3, in the ACC they were 9-13 (3-7 in the Coastal division).

you're right the SEC doesn't play good OOC (and I'm not an SEC fan as you have coined me, they are just the best conference-at least in the west) but the schedules are very telling when you see the numbers and are comparing the ACC to the Mountain West