griz37 wrote:Clenz, this was Ryan Van Bergens Facebook status before the game today, gives me chills.
"I'll wear the winged helmet for the last time tonight. Me and my teammates have been called losers, unathletic, disappointments, incapable, and embarrassments amongst other things over the past 3 years. Tonight that changes. Tonight, we will be given the opportunity to be called "champions". And those who stay...will be"
Just woke up and saw that the Chokies choked away another BCS bowl. How surprising. Someone tell me up when they start inviting teams that actually deserve to be there in$tead of the likes of Michigan and VaTech.
clenz wrote:He was stuttering on every kick for some reason....A lot of people are saying it should be a false start. I don't know if it is or not, but I've watched that same thing happen on hundred of kicks (hs through NFL) and never saw a false start caled on it.
It's a false start, although rarely called for some reason. I've seen it once on the collegiate level and I was personally called for it twice in high school.
griz37 wrote:Clenz, this was Ryan Van Bergens Facebook status before the game today, gives me chills.
"I'll wear the winged helmet for the last time tonight. Me and my teammates have been called losers, unathletic, disappointments, incapable, and embarrassments amongst other things over the past 3 years. Tonight that changes. Tonight, we will be given the opportunity to be called "champions". And those who stay...will be"
1. That catch wasn't a catch. After he hit the ground the ball moved. It was only a slight movement but it moved. By rule the ball can't moved....oh and there is the fact the ball hit the ground as well.
2. Michigan went to ADIDAS because...well I don't know the full reason but ADIDAS offered more money than Nike and at the time more B10 schools were ADIDAS....After some research the ADIDAS deal was worth 7.5million dollars per year over 8 years, or double what the 7 year Nike contract that they had just come out of after 2007 was worth. The deal with Adidas expires after the 2015-2016 years. I really hope Nike makes a push to get Michigan back. Part of the reason Nike didn't pony up like Adidas did was they saw what was about to happen to Michigan football....
3. This was the second time this year Michigan wore the grey facemasks - the other being the ND game with the "legacy jersey" game. The grey was a "throwback" to the 50's and-1974. Michigan's jersey's weren't "throwback" in the traditional sense. Each of the 3 difference jerseys they wore were "legacy" jerseys that incorporated pieces of Michigan jerseys dating back to the turn of the 1900s. The same with the numbers. The grey facemask with numbers on the side was worn from 59-68, then the number was dropped in 69 and the facemask was moved to blue in 1975. The team wore the same helmet for the ND game, and liked the numbers on the helmet so much they wore it for the entire B1G season, and added the grey facemask in last night. I don't know if the numbers will carry to next year or not though.
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Pwns wrote:Merry Christmas Brady Hoke. You got a BCS bowl bid you didn't deserve and then the Chokies gift-wrap you the game.
Even though I rooted for Michigan the refs blew it on that one handed td grab for Va.Tech in the second half.
Yep. Was clearly a (phenomenal) catch.
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Willie wrote:Just glad the Big Ten won another game.
Yeah. 1-10 in New Years Day bowl games the last 2 season, 0-5 last season and 1-4 this season and they had to go to OT to get that win, Mich State over GA.
The Big Least, ACC, and Big 10 all suck as far as BCS conferences go.
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4 Years FBS: 40-11 (.784). Highest winning percentage & least losses of all of G5 2022-2025.
Sun Belt East Champions: 2022, 2023, 2025
Sun Belt Champions: 2025
Top 25 ranked: 2022, 2023, 2025
CFP: 2025
I realize Michigan is your team, and, while there's nothing wrong with celebrating a victory, any bowl 'championship' doesn't mean jack shit.
Those who stay will be champions.....those that stayed *cough not the fucking Boren douchefuck cough* were champions....I know the game "doesn't matter" to anyone outside of the school, but damn it feels good after the last three years to get it.
Grizalltheway wrote:Fair nuff. I will admit that it was great to see my Ducks finally get it done in a big bowl game.
Ducks are probably my second or third FBS team that I follow. I started with Harrington following them and then the jersey fun started and they got fun to watch. Dennis Dixon is what really locked me into them. Watching him was a ton of fun - even when they beat my Wolverines in 07.
It was real nice to see them get the W.
I was listening to some sports talking heads tonight and they feel if Michigan can find a suitable replacement for Martin and Van Bergen upfront the title game will come down to USC and the winner of the Michigan/Alabama game.
FWIW here is a photo of the no-catch in OT. You can see the way the ball in angled there is no way the ball isn't going to hit the ground (which it did), or not move when it hits the ground (which it did)
From this photo you can see he still doesn't have control, even though his elbow is down in bounds.
The ball will hit the ground yet, and he won't gain control until his is OB.
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Grizalltheway wrote:Fair nuff. I will admit that it was great to see my Ducks finally get it done in a big bowl game.
Ducks are probably my second or third FBS team that I follow. I started with Harrington following them and then the jersey fun started and they got fun to watch. Dennis Dixon is what really locked me into them. Watching him was a ton of fun - even when they beat my Wolverines in 07.
It was real nice to see them get the W.
I was listening to some sports talking heads tonight and they feel if Michigan can find a suitable replacement for Martin and Van Bergen upfront the title game will come down to USC and the winner of the Michigan/Alabama game.
I hope that is true, but it is a pretty tough schedule next year. The wife & I are hoping to get down to Jerryworld for the Bama game.
clenz wrote:FWIW here is a photo of the no-catch in OT. You can see the way the ball in angled there is no way the ball isn't going to hit the ground (which it did), or not move when it hits the ground (which it did)
From this photo you can see he still doesn't have control, even though his elbow is down in bounds.
The ball will hit the ground yet, and he won't gain control until his is OB.
You can't tell from the photo whether or not he has control. Both arms are around the ball before it hits the ground. Can't find the colleg reception rule, but the NFL states "A slight movement of the ball will not be considered a loss of possession"
A still photo is a poor substitute for slo motion video.
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The commentators after they saw both angles in slo mo were calling it a catch. You're just blinded by your Michigan homerism.
The refs also gifted Michigan twice in OT with an obvious false start by the Michigan kicker that should have been flagged but wasn't. http://www.businessinsider.com/watch-mi ... oul-2012-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Michigan got their 20 regulation points off the chokies special team choking (13) and int (7). They certainly didn't look good- VT otherwise dominated on both sides of the ball. Robinson is overrated. It doesn't matter. ACC and Big 10 both still suck.
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Sun Belt East Champions: 2022, 2023, 2025
Sun Belt Champions: 2025
Top 25 ranked: 2022, 2023, 2025
CFP: 2025
Not a catch...ball movement = no control....that is what was said during the broadcast of the game.....also it's the same rule that bit Michigan in the ass during the final seconds of the Iowa game.
clenz wrote:FWIW here is a photo of the no-catch in OT. You can see the way the ball in angled there is no way the ball isn't going to hit the ground (which it did), or not move when it hits the ground (which it did)
From this photo you can see he still doesn't have control, even though his elbow is down in bounds.
The ball will hit the ground yet, and he won't gain control until his is OB.
When I first saw it I thought it was a touchdown!!!!!!!
clenz wrote:1. That catch wasn't a catch. After he hit the ground the ball moved. It was only a slight movement but it moved. By rule the ball can't moved....oh and there is the fact the ball hit the ground as well.
2. Michigan went to ADIDAS because...well I don't know the full reason but ADIDAS offered more money than Nike and at the time more B10 schools were ADIDAS....After some research the ADIDAS deal was worth 7.5million dollars per year over 8 years, or double what the 7 year Nike contract that they had just come out of after 2007 was worth. The deal with Adidas expires after the 2015-2016 years. I really hope Nike makes a push to get Michigan back. Part of the reason Nike didn't pony up like Adidas did was they saw what was about to happen to Michigan football....
3. This was the second time this year Michigan wore the grey facemasks - the other being the ND game with the "legacy jersey" game. The grey was a "throwback" to the 50's and-1974. Michigan's jersey's weren't "throwback" in the traditional sense. Each of the 3 difference jerseys they wore were "legacy" jerseys that incorporated pieces of Michigan jerseys dating back to the turn of the 1900s. The same with the numbers. The grey facemask with numbers on the side was worn from 59-68, then the number was dropped in 69 and the facemask was moved to blue in 1975. The team wore the same helmet for the ND game, and liked the numbers on the helmet so much they wore it for the entire B1G season, and added the grey facemask in last night. I don't know if the numbers will carry to next year or not though.
I figured that Michigan would continue its relationship with NIKE after all these yrs.
You can't tell from the photo whether or not he has control. Both arms are around the ball before it hits the ground. Can't find the colleg reception rule, but the NFL states "A slight movement of the ball will not be considered a loss of possession" 
