Hah Hah @ Florida State

[Chizzang]

Yikes. Sucks to see Oregon stoop to a low level as well.

What ever happened to class in sports?

No sure if serious...

[clenz]

I think they had a shot but not with five turnovers like that. Basically looks to me like a game in which both defenses had difficulty stopping the other team's offenses. With one exception every time Florida State turned it over it was a drive stopping turnover when they were moving the football. When you do that in a game like this one you take away your chance to get points and give the ball back to the other offense when your defense can't stop them. So it's kind of like spotting the opponent 7 every time it happens. When it happens five times that adds up.

Quack.

You've never watched Oregon obviously... They play lay back and strip defense
Oregon is twice the team Florida State is

Yup.

Tonight was Duck football at its best.

I love people that think Oregon isn't a physical team too. Maybe 5 or 6 years ago they weren't (maybe even when they lost to Auburn in the title game), but this team is very physical

[JohnStOnge]

You've never watched Oregon obviously... They play lay back and strip defense
Oregon is twice the team Florida State is

Look, I was pulling for Oregon. And I have watched them play before But you're probably going to see more NFL players come from the Florida State team that played today than you're going to see from the Oregon team that played today.

I'm glad Oregon won. And they may have won even if the giveaway/takeaway stat was even. But if you're in a game like that and you turn it over FIVE times you have NO shot.

[Chizzang]

You've never watched Oregon obviously... They play lay back and strip defense
Oregon is twice the team Florida State is

Look, I was pulling for Oregon. And I have watched them play before But you're probably going to see more NFL players come from the Florida State team that played today than you're going to see from the Oregon team that played today.

I'm glad Oregon won. And they may have won even if the giveaway/takeaway stat was even. But if you're in a game like that and you turn it over FIVE times you have NO shot.

Stop embarrassing yourself John...
you sound like Jemies Winston who said: "They never stopped us, we beat ourselves"

Except that is completely wrong - Florida State punted 4 times - and was stopped on 4th down twice

While Oregon scored 5 touchdowns in 5 straight possessions and won by 39 points...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that's just an EPIC BEAT DOWN of historical proportion
not a, gosh if things went a little different we'd have won

[clenz]

You've never watched Oregon obviously... They play lay back and strip defense
Oregon is twice the team Florida State is

Look, I was pulling for Oregon. And I have watched them play before But you're probably going to see more NFL players come from the Florida State team that played today than you're going to see from the Oregon team that played today.

I'm glad Oregon won. And they may have won even if the giveaway/takeaway stat was even. But if you're in a game like that and you turn it over FIVE times you have NO shot.

What the fuck does "NFL players coming from the program" have to do with it?

They can have all the talent in the world, but the fact is they were exposed all year but played in an ACC against a bunch of slap dick teams that folded like a cheap lawn chair late in games.

Oregon told Florida State to hold their ankles because it's going to happen if they want it or not....or what Jameis does to co-eds.

[Ivytalk]

Agreed. I'm an Oregon fan and there's no need for that ****. Let the result on the field speak for itself.

That's funny as ****...especially the way FSU left the field after the game

You mean the "no means no," sung to the tune of that stupid Semihole war chant? I thought it was great!

[Vidav]

What game are you guys talking about?

Not sure if serious.

Nah. I knew what game it was. I just didn't watch it, except the little bit I saw when I was at dinner.

[AZGrizFan]

Look, I was pulling for Oregon. And I have watched them play before But you're probably going to see more NFL players come from the Florida State team that played today than you're going to see from the Oregon team that played today.

I'm glad Oregon won. And they may have won even if the giveaway/takeaway stat was even. But if you're in a game like that and you turn it over FIVE times you have NO shot.

What the fuck does "NFL players coming from the program" have to do with it?

They can have all the talent in the world, but the fact is they were exposed all year but played in an ACC against a bunch of slap dick teams that folded like a cheap lawn chair late in games.

Oregon told Florida State to hold their ankles because it's going to happen if they want it or not....or what Jameis does to co-eds.

If it was all about having better talent then SHSU would be playing in the NC game next week....what with all their FBS drop downs on their roster.

[Ibanez]

So, did FSU get fucked in its pussy?

[Grizalltheway]

So, did FSU get fucked in its pussy?

Nah. Straight anal, no lube.

[Chizzang]

So, did FSU get fucked in its pussy?

Nah. Straight anal, no lube.

I'm still trying to figure out how any top program loses to anybody by 39 points...!!!
17 points is a lot of points to lose by - but 39 is ridiculous - BEAT DOWN

[DSUrocks07]

[kalm]

Nah. Straight anal, no lube.

I'm still trying to figure out how any top program loses to anybody by 39 points...!!!
17 points is a lot of points to lose by - but 39 is ridiculous - BEAT DOWN

One team gives up.

[CID1990]

I dont like Florida State

I dont like Oregon either

Whos playing in the final now? Nevermind I dont give a shit about that either

FBS football is just college sponsored professional football and has nothing to do with student athletes or college athletics or whatever they call it these days

[JohnStOnge]

Guys, yes Florida State punted sometimes. But if you were paying attention and really watching Oregon could not stop Florida State when Florida State just ran the ball at them. They couldn't. In fact, though I was pulling for Oregon, I was thinking while I was watching the game the Florida State was kind of outsmarting itself by mixing it up a little too much. When the other team can't stop you when you just run it right at them there's no reason to do that. At least not in my opinion. If I'm pulling for a team and they're just blowing the opposition off the line of scrimmage when they run right at them with power I don't want them to stop doing it until the other team shows they can stop it. And Oregon didn't.

I think you guys are REALLY under estimating the effect the Florida State turnovers had. Oregon looked VERY soft defensively. They looked like if they play a team with a physical running game they're not going to stop them. They may still win because their offense is so good. But if how it looked in that game in terms of stopping the other team from moving the ball is any indication their defense sucks. It really does. It's one of the worst defenses Florida State faced all year. They gave up more yards to Florida State than friggin' Wake Forest did. They are NOT good on that side of the ball.

The final giveaway/takeaway stat was -3 for Florida State but even that's a little deceptive because one Oregon turnover happened when the game was over and both teams were just playing out the string. It was really -4 when it mattered.

[Grizalltheway]

Oregon's defense played a huge role in most of those turnovers. It really did.

Oregon's defense ranked 28th in FBS scoring defense, well ahead of FSU's. It really did.

[JohnStOnge]

Oregon's defense played a huge role in most of those turnovers. It really did.

Oregon's defense ranked 28th in FBS scoring defense, well ahead of FSU's. It really did.

I'm not saying FSU's defense looked good. Obviously it didn't. But that doesn't change the fact that Oregon's defense didn't look real good either.

The turnover thing? It's always like that. If you're on the winning side of that you say "we created the turnovers." If you're on the losing side you say, "we gave the ball away." Teams are ALWAYS raking at the ball and such. It's still a crap shoot. Sometimes that works out and the other team turns the ball over pretty much. Sometimes ti doesn't.

What I think I saw in that game is that the cliche about Oregon being "soft" on defense so that a good physical smash mouth type of offense would give them serious problems is probably true. In one way I kind of wish Alabama would've beaten Ohio State because I think that if they were playing Alabama and Alabama just decided to run the ball at them with Yeldon and Henry they'd get pushed around real bad and I'd be able to say, "See, I told you so."

But not quite. I really do like seeing Alabama get beat; especially by a Big 10 team. I can forego the greater potential for a "See, I told you so" moment.

[kalm]

Oregon's defense played a huge role in most of those turnovers. It really did.

Oregon's defense ranked 28th in FBS scoring defense, well ahead of FSU's. It really did.

I'm not saying FSU's defense looked good. Obviously it didn't. But that doesn't change the fact that Oregon's defense didn't look real good either.

The turnover thing? It's always like that. If you're on the winning side of that you say "we created the turnovers." If you're on the losing side you say, "we gave the ball away." Teams are ALWAYS raking at the ball and such. It's still a crap shoot. Sometimes that works out and the other team turns the ball over pretty much. Sometimes ti doesn't.

What I think I saw in that game is that the cliche about Oregon being "soft" on defense so that a good physical smash mouth type of offense would give them serious problems is probably true. In one way I kind of wish Alabama would've beaten Ohio State because I think that if they were playing Alabama and Alabama just decided to run the ball at them with Yeldon and Henry they'd get pushed around real bad and I'd be able to say, "See, I told you so."

But not quite. I really do like seeing Alabama get beat; especially by a Big 10 team. I can forego the greater potential for a "See, I told you so" moment.

You are spending quite a bit of time explaining things...

[DSUrocks07]

I'm not saying FSU's defense looked good. Obviously it didn't. But that doesn't change the fact that Oregon's defense didn't look real good either.

The turnover thing? It's always like that. If you're on the winning side of that you say "we created the turnovers." If you're on the losing side you say, "we gave the ball away." Teams are ALWAYS raking at the ball and such. It's still a crap shoot. Sometimes that works out and the other team turns the ball over pretty much. Sometimes ti doesn't.

What I think I saw in that game is that the cliche about Oregon being "soft" on defense so that a good physical smash mouth type of offense would give them serious problems is probably true. In one way I kind of wish Alabama would've beaten Ohio State because I think that if they were playing Alabama and Alabama just decided to run the ball at them with Yeldon and Henry they'd get pushed around real bad and I'd be able to say, "See, I told you so."

But not quite. I really do like seeing Alabama get beat; especially by a Big 10 team. I can forego the greater potential for a "See, I told you so" moment.

You are spending quite a bit of time explaining things...

"Hi, welcome to CS.com. You must be new here, let me show you around."

[JohnStOnge]

You are spending quite a bit of time explaining things...

Well, sometimes people need to have things explained to them. Like people who don't understand the effect a spate of turnovers like Florida State had in that game has and that having something like that happen for the team you're pulling for...yes...involves some luck.

Yes, if I had to bet I'd bet Oregon would've won anyway. But the Oregon defense looked bad (another thing that apparently needs to be explained) and that 39 point margin should be viewed in the context of how BADLY Florida State played in terms of shooting itself in the foot.

And remember, I WAS pulling for Oregon. I'm not lying about that. I'm just telling you that you guys are not fully recognizing how thoroughly Florida State screwed up in that game.

If I'm pulling for a team as I was for Oregon in this case I am thrilled if the other team screws up a lot. But I don't deny that the other team screwing up a lot was a factor.

[UNI88]

You are spending quite a bit of time explaining things...

Well, sometimes people need to have things explained to them. Like all people who don't see things my way.

FIFY

[YoUDeeMan]

Speaking of EPIC BEAT DOWNS. 21 straight points to run away with the title.

OSU won, despite 4 TOS. Oregon's "lay back and strip" defense got laid down and beaten badly.

246 yards...did anyone on Oregon's defense know that Mr. Elliot was on the field? Was he wearing a cloaking device? Did he carry a hammer and just thump people who whiffed at the wind?

Oregon turned out to be another EWU.

[JohnStOnge]

Speaking of EPIC BEAT DOWNS. 21 straight points to run away with the title.

OSU won, despite 4 TOS. Oregon's "lay back and strip" defense got laid down and beaten badly.

246 yards...did anyone on Oregon's defense know that Mr. Elliot was on the field? Was he wearing a cloaking device? Did he carry a hammer and just thump people who whiffed at the wind?

Oregon turned out to be another EWU.

I don't know about ALL that but I do feel kind of vindicated with respect to saying that if you were paying attention when Oregon played Florida State that you could see that their defense had serious problems in stopping a power running game. Ohio State has kind of an unconventional power running game. But they still showed a power running game. And it worked. Oregon's defensive front got owned by Ohio State's offensive line.

[YoUDeeMan]

Speaking of EPIC BEAT DOWNS. 21 straight points to run away with the title.

OSU won, despite 4 TOS. Oregon's "lay back and strip" defense got laid down and beaten badly.

246 yards...did anyone on Oregon's defense know that Mr. Elliot was on the field? Was he wearing a cloaking device? Did he carry a hammer and just thump people who whiffed at the wind?

Oregon turned out to be another EWU.

I don't know about ALL that but I do feel kind of vindicated with respect to saying that if you were paying attention when Oregon played Florida State that you could see that their defense had serious problems in stopping a power running game. Ohio State has kind of an unconventional power running game. But they still showed a power running game. And it worked. Oregon's defensive front got owned by Ohio State's offensive line.

Yup, you called it!

[JohnStOnge]

f it was all about having better talent then SHSU would be playing in the NC game next week....what with all their FBS drop downs on their roster.

Kind of going afield but actually North Dakota State apparently manages a high talent level for a FCS school. If you go to the ESPN NFL players by school thing at http://espn.go.com/nfl/college/_/letter/n" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; you'll see that North Dakota State has six players on NFL rosters right now. That's a lot for a FCS school. Sam Houston State, as another example, has 1 player on an NFL roster right now.

And, frankly, most of the transfers won't be on NFL rosters. For the most part, if they were NFL caliber, they wouldn't have transferred. They'd be playing at the FBS schools they signed with.

There are huge exceptions to that, of course. Like Joe Flacco and Randy Moss. But for the most part that's the situation. For the most part, if you were NFL caliber you wouldn't have transferred because you'd be getting enough playing time at the school you signed with out of high school.

My guess is that North Dakota State had more overall talent on its roster then Sam Houston State did. And it probably wasn't close.