Joe Paterno

[bluehenbillk]

Because Curley & Shultz were employees of PSU at the time of their perjury actions regarding the Sandusky cover-up, as a PA resident my tax dollars are footing the bill for their defense.

I feel dirty - I need to shower or something.

[89Hen]

I'm not sure what the big deal is here.

Ah - the Catholic in you...

[clenz]

Latest breaking news on this....

Penn State is working on getting an exit plan in place for JoPa, and well pretty much every one. Thus the reason for the cancelling of the presser.

[clenz]

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STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Joe Paterno’s tenure as coach of the Penn State football team will soon be over, perhaps within days or weeks, in the wake of a sex-abuse scandal that has implicated university officials, according to two people briefed on conversations among the university’s top officials.

The board of trustees has yet to determine the precise timing of Paterno’s exit, but it is clear that the man who has more victories than any other coach at college football’s top level and who made Penn State a prestigious national brand will not survive to coach another season. Discussions about how to manage his departure have begun, according to the two people.

Paterno was to have held a news conference Tuesday but the university canceled it less than an hour before it was scheduled to start.

At age 84 and with 46 seasons as the Penn State head coach behind him, Paterno’s extraordinary run of success — one that produced tens of millions of dollars for the school and two national championships, and that established him as one of the nation’s most revered leaders, will end with a stunning and humiliating final chapter.

Jerry Sandusky, a former defensive coordinator under Paterno, has been charged with sexually abusing eight boys across a 15-year period, and Paterno has been widely criticized for failing to involve the police when he learned of an allegation of one assault of a young boy in 2002.

Additionally, two top university officials — Gary Schultz, the senior vice president for finance and business, and Tim Curley, the athletic director — were charged with perjury and failure to report to authorities what they knew of the allegations, as required by state law.

Since Sandusky’s arrest Saturday, Penn State — notably its president, Graham Spanier, and Paterno — have come under withering criticism for a failure to act adequately after learning, at different points over the years, that Sandusky might have been abusing children. Newspapers have called for their resignations; prosecutors have suggested their inaction led to more children being harmed by Sandusky; and students and faculty at the university have expressed a mix of disgust and confusion, and a hope that much of what prosecutors have charged is not true.

On Monday law enforcement officials said that Paterno had met his legal obligation in alerting his superiors at the university when he learned of the 2002 allegation against Sandusky. But they suggested he might well have failed a moral test for what to do when confronted with such a disturbing allegation involving a child not even in his teens. No one at the university alerted the police or pursued the matter to determine the well-being of the child involved. The identity of that child remains unknown, according to the Attorney General.

Paterno has not been charged in the matter, but his failure to report to authorities what he knew about the 2002 incident, in which Sandusky allegedly sexually assaulted a young boy at Penn State’s football complex, has become a flashpoint, stirring anger among the board members and an outpouring of public criticism about his handling of the matter.

In recent days Paterno has lost the support of many board members, and their conversations illustrate a decisive shift in the power structure at the university. In 2004, for instance, Paterno brushed off a request by the university president that he step down.

Paterno came to Penn State in 1950 as a 23-year-old assistant coach making $3,600 a year. He planned to stay for two seasons, to pay off his student loans from Brown University, where he earned a degree in English literature.

He became the head coach in 1966, and he has been widely credited with helping spearhead the Penn State football program and the rest of the university from a local enterprise into a national brand. Along the way, Beaver Stadium grew to 108,000 seats from 29,000 and Penn State’s endowment grew from virtually nothing to more than $1 billion.

What separated Paterno from many of his coaching peers until this week was that he did this with few questions about how he grew the program. Penn State’s lofty graduation rates and education-first ideals, known as Paterno’s Grand Experiment, became as synonymous with the program as its plain uniforms and dominating defenses.

Paterno led Penn State to national titles in the 1982 and 1986 seasons, and he complemented the on-field success with the reputation of a throwback sideline professor, whose tie, thick glasses and black Nike coaching shoes became as predictable in Northeast autumns as the changing foliage.

Paterno’s reach on campus extended well beyond the football program. He and his wife, Sue, have donated more than $4 million to the university. On campus, everything from an ice cream flavor at the Creamery to a library now bears his name.

“There’s no individual in the entire 120- or 130-year history of the university that has had a greater impact on the institution than Joe Paterno,” Larry Foster, a former trustee and a president of the alumni association, told The New York Times in 2004. “He’s just reached into so many areas.”




That last paragraph needs to be read very very closely by those who have said Paterno doesn't have an pull on the campus when it come to getting things done. Had Paterno said "call the cops and take action" it would have happened.

[Grizalltheway]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sport ... -exit.html

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Joe Paterno’s tenure as coach of the Penn State football team will soon be over, perhaps within days or weeks, in the wake of a sex-abuse scandal that has implicated university officials, according to two people briefed on conversations among the university’s top officials.

The board of trustees has yet to determine the precise timing of Paterno’s exit, but it is clear that the man who has more victories than any other coach at college football’s top level and who made Penn State a prestigious national brand will not survive to coach another season. Discussions about how to manage his departure have begun, according to the two people.

Paterno was to have held a news conference Tuesday but the university canceled it less than an hour before it was scheduled to start.

At age 84 and with 46 seasons as the Penn State head coach behind him, Paterno’s extraordinary run of success — one that produced tens of millions of dollars for the school and two national championships, and that established him as one of the nation’s most revered leaders, will end with a stunning and humiliating final chapter.

Jerry Sandusky, a former defensive coordinator under Paterno, has been charged with sexually abusing eight boys across a 15-year period, and Paterno has been widely criticized for failing to involve the police when he learned of an allegation of one assault of a young boy in 2002.

Additionally, two top university officials — Gary Schultz, the senior vice president for finance and business, and Tim Curley, the athletic director — were charged with perjury and failure to report to authorities what they knew of the allegations, as required by state law.

Since Sandusky’s arrest Saturday, Penn State — notably its president, Graham Spanier, and Paterno — have come under withering criticism for a failure to act adequately after learning, at different points over the years, that Sandusky might have been abusing children. Newspapers have called for their resignations; prosecutors have suggested their inaction led to more children being harmed by Sandusky; and students and faculty at the university have expressed a mix of disgust and confusion, and a hope that much of what prosecutors have charged is not true.

On Monday law enforcement officials said that Paterno had met his legal obligation in alerting his superiors at the university when he learned of the 2002 allegation against Sandusky. But they suggested he might well have failed a moral test for what to do when confronted with such a disturbing allegation involving a child not even in his teens. No one at the university alerted the police or pursued the matter to determine the well-being of the child involved. The identity of that child remains unknown, according to the Attorney General.

Paterno has not been charged in the matter, but his failure to report to authorities what he knew about the 2002 incident, in which Sandusky allegedly sexually assaulted a young boy at Penn State’s football complex, has become a flashpoint, stirring anger among the board members and an outpouring of public criticism about his handling of the matter.

In recent days Paterno has lost the support of many board members, and their conversations illustrate a decisive shift in the power structure at the university. In 2004, for instance, Paterno brushed off a request by the university president that he step down.

Paterno came to Penn State in 1950 as a 23-year-old assistant coach making $3,600 a year. He planned to stay for two seasons, to pay off his student loans from Brown University, where he earned a degree in English literature.

He became the head coach in 1966, and he has been widely credited with helping spearhead the Penn State football program and the rest of the university from a local enterprise into a national brand. Along the way, Beaver Stadium grew to 108,000 seats from 29,000 and Penn State’s endowment grew from virtually nothing to more than $1 billion.

What separated Paterno from many of his coaching peers until this week was that he did this with few questions about how he grew the program. Penn State’s lofty graduation rates and education-first ideals, known as Paterno’s Grand Experiment, became as synonymous with the program as its plain uniforms and dominating defenses.

Paterno led Penn State to national titles in the 1982 and 1986 seasons, and he complemented the on-field success with the reputation of a throwback sideline professor, whose tie, thick glasses and black Nike coaching shoes became as predictable in Northeast autumns as the changing foliage.

Paterno’s reach on campus extended well beyond the football program. He and his wife, Sue, have donated more than $4 million to the university. On campus, everything from an ice cream flavor at the Creamery to a library now bears his name.

“There’s no individual in the entire 120- or 130-year history of the university that has had a greater impact on the institution than Joe Paterno,” Larry Foster, a former trustee and a president of the alumni association, told The New York Times in 2004. “He’s just reached into so many areas.”




That last paragraph needs to be read very very closely by those who have said Paterno doesn't have an pull on the campus when it come to getting things done. Had Paterno said "call the cops and take action" it would have happened.

Yep. He obviously wanted to keep the image of a squeaky-clean program intact, but it's really come back to bite him in the ass now.

[89Hen]

“There’s no individual in the entire 120- or 130-year history of the university that has had a greater impact on the institution than Joe Paterno,” Larry Foster, a former trustee and a president of the alumni association, told The New York Times in 2004.

You might be able to make a case for Sandusky.

[DSUrocks07]

“There’s no individual in the entire 120- or 130-year history of the university that has had a greater impact on the institution than Joe Paterno,” Larry Foster, a former trustee and a president of the alumni association, told The New York Times in 2004.

You might be able to make a case for Sandusky.

“He’s just reached into so many areas.”

smh, seriously is anyone in State College listening to themselves right now???

[clenz]

FWIW, that quote is from 04....but still rings true.

[clenz]

Oh....and there was just another male that came forward about being sexually abused. He is the 9th to come forward....

[bluehenbillk]

Not a matter of "if" but "when":

A- After the bowl game
B- After Wisconsin (11/26) but before bowl game
C- between this afternoon & Friday night (before Nebraska game)
D- immediately after Nebraska game (PSU's last home game)

[DSUrocks07]

Not a matter of "if" but "when":

A- After the bowl game
B- After Wisconsin (11/26) but before bowl game
C- between this afternoon & Friday night (before Nebraska game)
D- immediately after Nebraska game (PSU's last home game)

With all of this going on I don't see how they can have him be "head coach" for the Nebraska game. The public outcry is getting deafening.

[clenz]

His contract is up after this year....

I'm betting they will allow him to finish his contract, but not allow him to be with the team past Friday.

[AZGrizFan]

Not a matter of "if" but "when":

A- After the bowl game
B- After Wisconsin (11/26) but before bowl game
C- between this afternoon & Friday night (before Nebraska game)
D- immediately after Nebraska game (PSU's last home game)

I'll take Option "C", Alex...

[bluehenbillk]

This is getting so out of hand here locally, I can see this going down this scene going down this afternoon:

CNN covering a white Bronco on I-80 fleeing a pack of paparazzi as JoePa makes a break for Canada.

O.J. Part Deux

[Grizalltheway]

This is getting so out of hand here locally, I can see this going down this scene going down this afternoon:

CNN covering a white Bronco on I-80 fleeing a pack of paparazzi as JoePa makes a break for Canada.

O.J. Part Deux

Man, if you thought OJ was driving slow, just wait until an 84-year-old is behind the wheel.

[CitadelGrad]

Latest breaking news on this....

Penn State is working on getting an exit plan in place for JoPa, and well pretty much every one. Thus the reason for the cancelling of the presser.

Is that really the reason? No. The NYT report is inaccurate, at least at this time. Spanier (PSU's president) cancelled the presser after Paterno said he would address the Sandusky issue. Spanier insisted that questions about the Sandusky matter would not be allowed. Spanier cancelled the press conference before notifying Joe. Joe is pissed off. Joe is setting up an off-campus presser for tomorrow.

It's pretty clear that Spanier is scared and that he and Paterno are trying to throw each other under the bus. I wouldn't be surprised to see them both fired by the end of the week. Mike McQueary told his position players this morning that he expects to be fired by the end of the week.

[BlueHen86]

Joe Pa needs to answer some questions regarding what exactly he knew and why he didn't pursue the issue further. Maybe he has a good explanation, I doubt it, but he's atleast entitled to give his version of the story.

If the school won't let him talk this issue will just fester. Joe Pa's silence implies guilt.

[D1B]

This story is snowballing quickly.

To put it in perspective - I live in the Philadelphia metroplitan area & listen to Philly sports talk on my commute - which is just over an hour. On a station (WIP) that talks about next to zero college sports & almost exclusivley Phillies & Eagles it was shocking on the morning of an Eagles home MNF game to hear absolutely zero about the Eagles & nothing but PSU talk.

To recap - PSU's BOT got rid of the AD & their "CFO" last night. It may very well be impossible for Paterno, McQueary and any of the current coaching staff to survive.

If I was a betting man, PSU will have a new coach next season & a new staff. Spanier, the school President may go as well. The 23 page grand jury report is some of the most shocking, graphic stuff you'll ever read.

Doubtful. There are countless reports detailing the horrific behavior of the catholic church. For example, one of their priests raped 200 deaf boys.

[Ibanez]

This story is snowballing quickly.

To put it in perspective - I live in the Philadelphia metroplitan area & listen to Philly sports talk on my commute - which is just over an hour. On a station (WIP) that talks about next to zero college sports & almost exclusivley Phillies & Eagles it was shocking on the morning of an Eagles home MNF game to hear absolutely zero about the Eagles & nothing but PSU talk.

To recap - PSU's BOT got rid of the AD & their "CFO" last night. It may very well be impossible for Paterno, McQueary and any of the current coaching staff to survive.

If I was a betting man, PSU will have a new coach next season & a new staff. Spanier, the school President may go as well. The 23 page grand jury report is some of the most shocking, graphic stuff you'll ever read.

Doubtful. There are countless reports detailing the horrific behavior of the catholic church. For example, one of their priests raped 200 deaf boys.

And we're off... JoePa is a Catholic...I bet the Pope has been coordinating this whole thing.

[griz37]

Not defending Joe Pa here but the fact that he was 75 years old could have something to do with why he did not report it to the police. We don't know exactly what the GA told Paterno after he saw the incident in the locker room or if Paterno really understood what he was being told. My grandpa is 76 & trying to explain something to him that he doesn't already know can be very difficult.

I think this whole thing does show that somebody of that age simply cannot be in charge of a 200+ person, hundred million dollar operation like a BCS football program, there are just too many things to worry about.

[tribe_pride]

Joe Pa needs to answer some questions regarding what exactly he knew and why he didn't pursue the issue further. Maybe he has a good explanation, I doubt it, but he's atleast entitled to give his version of the story.

If the school won't let him talk this issue will just fester. Joe Pa's silence implies guilt.

That's what people said about the Duke Boy's lacrosse team. ( I am using the analogy only so much for the issues each are facing at the time as opposed to the innocence or guilt)

Getting away from the PR perspective but going more towards the legal perspective, neither JoPa nor anyone related to this matter should say anything. From a PR perspective, it sucks but the legal is now more important for the individuals - and I am saying this whether they are innocent or guilty.

People said that the Duke team should have been more vocal about being innocent or else they were guilty. Well look what happened and the loud mouths of the group were the guilty ones (the D.A. and the alleged victim in the Duke matter). The innocent person in you wants to go out and speak whatever the truth is (or your version of it) but speaking now can really only lead to more problems legally in the future.

Wouldn't be surprised if attorneys stepped in and said to cancel the press conference.

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By the way I read the report and it's sick. Anyone involved should get many years. Rape may be the worst crime out there and doing that to children makes it worse. Those who hid it are no better. Assuming the Report is correct, by the letter of the law, JoPa and the GA may have fulfilled their duties to disclose but morally, they needed to go much further.

[BlueHen86]

Joe Pa needs to answer some questions regarding what exactly he knew and why he didn't pursue the issue further. Maybe he has a good explanation, I doubt it, but he's atleast entitled to give his version of the story.

If the school won't let him talk this issue will just fester. Joe Pa's silence implies guilt.

That's what people said about the Duke Boy's lacrosse team. ( I am using the analogy only so much for the issues each are facing at the time as opposed to the innocence or guilt)

Getting away from the PR perspective but going more towards the legal perspective, neither JoPa nor anyone related to this matter should say anything. From a PR perspective, it sucks but the legal is now more important for the individuals - and I am saying this whether they are innocent or guilty.

People said that the Duke team should have been more vocal about being innocent or else they were guilty. Well look what happened and the loud mouths of the group were the guilty ones (the D.A. and the alleged victim in the Duke matter). The innocent person in you wants to go out and speak whatever the truth is (or your version of it) but speaking now can really only lead to more problems legally in the future.

Wouldn't be surprised if attorneys stepped in and said to cancel the press conference.

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By the way I read the report and it's sick. Anyone involved should get many years. Rape may be the worst crime out there and doing that to children makes it worse. Those who hid it are no better. Assuming the Report is correct, by the letter of the law, JoPa and the GA may have fulfilled their duties to disclose but morally, they needed to go much further.

I don't think Penn St can remain silent, the university has more to lose than the Duke lacrosse players did. The Duke lacrosse players did not have to worry about PR, it was already against them.

The Duke lacrosse players could afford to let their lawyers exonerate them, I'm not sure Penn St. has that luxury.

Besides, the Duke players were accused of a crime, Joe Pa has not been.

[tribe_pride]

That's what people said about the Duke Boy's lacrosse team. ( I am using the analogy only so much for the issues each are facing at the time as opposed to the innocence or guilt)

Getting away from the PR perspective but going more towards the legal perspective, neither JoPa nor anyone related to this matter should say anything. From a PR perspective, it sucks but the legal is now more important for the individuals - and I am saying this whether they are innocent or guilty.

People said that the Duke team should have been more vocal about being innocent or else they were guilty. Well look what happened and the loud mouths of the group were the guilty ones (the D.A. and the alleged victim in the Duke matter). The innocent person in you wants to go out and speak whatever the truth is (or your version of it) but speaking now can really only lead to more problems legally in the future.

Wouldn't be surprised if attorneys stepped in and said to cancel the press conference.

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By the way I read the report and it's sick. Anyone involved should get many years. Rape may be the worst crime out there and doing that to children makes it worse. Those who hid it are no better. Assuming the Report is correct, by the letter of the law, JoPa and the GA may have fulfilled their duties to disclose but morally, they needed to go much further.

I don't think Penn St can remain silent, the university has more to lose than the Duke lacrosse players did. The Duke lacrosse players did not have to worry about PR, it was already against them.

The Duke lacrosse players could afford to let their lawyers exonerate them, I'm not sure Penn St. has that luxury.

Besides, the Duke players were accused of a crime, Joe Pa has not been.

There will probably be plenty of civil suits coming out of all of this. Both Penn State and Joe Pa individually likely will be named in all of these suits as those are the 2 with the money. Don't know enough about the law regarding civil liability but they will both likely be named in all suits. The other individuals will likely be named too but they don't have the money that the University or Paterno has.

As for Penn State talking, an individual will have to make the statement. I don't see an attorney of any of the named individuals advising these individuals to speak at all. A statement from public affairs or the Board won't be effective and I can't imagine any of the involved individuals speaking.

Once again, from a PR perspective, I agree that they should. I just don't think the right people will speak about it for legal reasons.

[FargoBison]

I can't get over this..

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How out of touch with reality can people be? Seriously the school and football program is in the middle of an epic scandal where who knows how many people were sexually assaulted by a former assistant coach and it looks like a homecoming rally is going on outside of JoePa's house.

[grizzaholic]

Joe should be gone by Friday.