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Is the BCS system to blame?

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:00 pm
by clenz
While mowing my lawn today i was thinking about why all of this was happening. We all know it is about money, but why?

As I continued to think I got to wondering if the BCS for all of this?
Would these shake ups be happening if the BCS was never implemented in 1999, or whatever year it was?
Would the landscape of college football be undergoing the same possible massive shift if the FBS stayed with the old bowl set up?
Would FCS teams be wanting to move to the FBS like they do now if it wasn't for the BCS?

Or was all of this going to happen regardless what system was being used?

Re: Is the BCS system to blame?

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:03 pm
by bluehenbillk
Yes, if there was a playoff system everything would be right in the world.

Re: Is the BCS system to blame?

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:05 pm
by clenz
bluehenbillk wrote:Yes, if there was a playoff system everything would be right in the world.
Are you sure?


The FBS is entirely different than the FCS, and you know that.


I do agree that a playoff is better, but why should anyone except the top 3 or 4 teams from the "Big 6" even play? The same could be said for the FCS, but I can promise you a 8-4 B10 or SEC team would get in over a 11-1 or 10-2 MWC team.


What about the old bowl system? Had that been stayed with would all of this be happening?

Re: Is the BCS system to blame?

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:12 pm
by bluehenbillk
clenz wrote:
bluehenbillk wrote:Yes, if there was a playoff system everything would be right in the world.
Are you sure?


The FBS is entirely different than the FCS, and you know that.


I do agree that a playoff is better, but why should anyone except the top 3 or 4 teams from the "Big 6" even play? The same could be said for the FCS, but I can promise you a 8-4 B10 or SEC team would get in over a 11-1 or 10-2 MWC team.


What about the old bowl system? Had that been stayed with would all of this be happening?

8-4 teams?? No. If they do it you're looking at either 4 or 8 teams, for the most part conference winners only, Pac-16, Big 16, ACC, SEC. Or they let at-large's play too...

Re: Is the BCS system to blame?

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:54 pm
by UNHWildCats
Nebraska's move is not about the BCS, but about Texas and the Big 12 South having too much power within the conference. Nebraska has had many issues with the balance of power pretty much since the inception of the Conference.

Re: Is the BCS system to blame?

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:58 pm
by BlueHen86
clenz wrote:While mowing my lawn today i was thinking about why all of this was happening. We all know it is about money, but why?

As I continued to think I got to wondering if the BCS for all of this?
Would these shake ups be happening if the BCS was never implemented in 1999, or whatever year it was?
Would the landscape of college football be undergoing the same possible massive shift if the FBS stayed with the old bowl set up?
Would FCS teams be wanting to move to the FBS like they do now if it wasn't for the BCS?

Or was all of this going to happen regardless what system was being used?
I think you have it backwards. The BCS was created for the same reason that conference realignment is taking place. The college football powers don't want to share the revenue.

First, they created the BCS, but then non-BCS teams started crashing the party.
So now, they are creating super conferences.

Re: Is the BCS system to blame?

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:00 pm
by BlueHen86
UNHWildCats wrote:Nebraska's move is not about the BCS, but about Texas and the Big 12 South having too much power within the conference. Nebraska has had many issues with the balance of power pretty much since the inception of the Conference.
I think that you may have a point.
Nebraska is a popular football program that people like to watch, this makes them attractive to the Big 10.

Re: Is the BCS system to blame?

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:13 pm
by UNHWildCats
BlueHen86 wrote:
UNHWildCats wrote:Nebraska's move is not about the BCS, but about Texas and the Big 12 South having too much power within the conference. Nebraska has had many issues with the balance of power pretty much since the inception of the Conference.
I think that you may have a point.
Nebraska is a popular football program that people like to watch, this makes them attractive to the Big 10.
Definitely, and has been pointed out in several places... Nebraska maybe a small state, but the fan base for Nebraska is national and could push the big ten network into several new markets.

Did you know a group of Nebraska fans pay a Arizona radio station each season for them to carry Nebraska games?

Re: Is the BCS system to blame?

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:57 pm
by JayJ79
I don't see how the BCS has anything to do with the current conference shakeups.
It's all about money, primarily television money

As for the "old bowl system", didn't the big name bowls used to have even more specific conference affiliations?
The Rose Bowl was always the Big Ten champ against the Pac 10 champ, etc. etc.
So there was even LESS room for the "little guys".

Re: Is the BCS system to blame?

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:10 am
by bluehenbillk
UNHWildCats wrote: Did you know a group of Nebraska fans pay a Arizona radio station each season for them to carry Nebraska games?
Wonder if those dumbasses have ever heard of Sirius????

Re: Is the BCS system to blame?

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:11 am
by dbackjon
bluehenbillk wrote:
UNHWildCats wrote: Did you know a group of Nebraska fans pay a Arizona radio station each season for them to carry Nebraska games?
Wonder if those dumbasses have ever heard of Sirius????
They started doing this long before Sirius existed. And there is a great enough listenership that it is cheaper than having everyone get Sirius.

Re: Is the BCS system to blame?

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:57 am
by clenz
JayJ79 wrote:I don't see how the BCS has anything to do with the current conference shakeups.
It's all about money, primarily television money

As for the "old bowl system", didn't the big name bowls used to have even more specific conference affiliations?
The Rose Bowl was always the Big Ten champ against the Pac 10 champ, etc. etc.
So there was even LESS room for the "little guys".
These realignments is ALL about the money Jay.

Nebraska saw more money in the B10, Boise State saw more money and respect in the MWC, Colorado likely saw more money in the PAC10, etc...


These bowls STILL have their ties. The Rose bowl is still the PAC10 v B10 champion, etc...

Bowl Game Conference/Team Conference/Team
Rose Bowl Game presented by Citi Pac-10 Big Ten
Tostitos Fiesta Bowl Big 12 At-Large
Orange Bowl ACC At-Large
Allstate Sugar Bowl SEC At-Large
BCS Championship Game BCS #1 BCS #2
Capital One Bowl Big Ten #2 SEC #2
Gator Bowl ACC #3 Big 12 #4 / Big East #2 / Notre Dame
AT&T Cotton Bowl Classic Big 12 #2 SEC #3/4/5
Pacific Life Holiday Bowl Big 12 #3 Pac-10 #2
Outback Bowl Big Ten #3 SEC #3/4/5
Chick-fil-A Bowl ACC #2 SEC #3/4/5
Brut Sun Bowl Pac-10 #3 Big 12 #5 / Big East #2 / Notre Dame
Valero Alamo Bowl Big 12 #4/5 Big Ten #4
Champs Sports Bowl ACC #4 Big Ten #5
International Bowl Big East #4 MAC #1, 2, or 3
AutoZone Liberty Bowl C-USA #1 SEC #6/7/8
Meineke Car Care Bowl ACC #6 Big East #3
Independence Bowl Big 12 #7 SEC #6/7/8
Gaylord Hotels Music City Bowl ACC #5 SEC #6/7/8
Emerald Bowl ACC #7 Pac-10 #4/5
Texas Bowl Big 12 #8 Navy or C-USA #7
Roady's Humanitarian Bowl MWC #5 WAC #1
Insight Bowl Big 12 #6 Big Ten #6
Little Caesars Pizza Bowl Big Ten #7 MAC #1, 2 or 3
Sheraton Hawaiʻi Bowl C-USA #2 WAC #3 / Hawaiʻi
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl MWC #3/4 C-USA #3
Maaco Bowl Las Vegas MWC #1 Pac-10 #4/5
SDCCU Poinsettia Bowl MWC #2 Pac-10 #6 or WAC #4
GMAC Bowl ACC #9 MAC #1, 2 or 3
R+L Carriers New Orleans Bowl C-USA #4 Sun Belt Champion
PapaJohns.com Bowl Big East #5 SEC #9
New Mexico Bowl MWC #3/4 WAC #2
St. Petersburg Bowl Big East #6 C-USA #5
EagleBank Bowl ACC #8 or MAC #4 Army or C-USA #6

Re: Is the BCS system to blame?

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:58 am
by clenz
Order of selection

Teams must be bowl eligible to be selected for a bowl game. Should a conference not have enough eligible teams to meet their obligations, the bowls at the end of the selection process are free to choose a replacement team from among any remaining bowl eligible teams that are not already committed to bowl game. Bowls must select from teams with winning records when choosing a replacement team, unless there are no such teams left, then they may choose a 6-6 team. Should less than 68 teams be bowl eligible, all bowl eligible teams must be placed in bowls before non-eligible teams may be selected.
If a conference provides an "at-large" selection to the BCS, the remaining bowls still select in the same order. Should a conference like the Big 12 receive an "at-large" bid from the BCS, their remaining bowl tie-ins would be affected. The Cotton Bowl Classic would then have the third (and not second) selection from the Big 12, and all remaining bowls would be shifted accordingly. This increases the likelihood that the last bowls will have eligible teams to choose from.
[edit]Atlantic Coast Conference
2010-2013:[1]
#1 Bowl Championship Series. The winner of the ACC Championship Game receives an automatic berth to a BCS bowl game, almost always to the FedEx Orange Bowl.
#2 The Chick-fil-A Bowl receives the second choice of ACC teams.
#3 The Champs Sports Bowl receives the third choice of ACC teams.
#4 The Brut Sun Bowl receives the ACC Championship Game runner up or the fourth choice of ACC teams.
#5 The Meineke Car Care Bowl
#6 The Gaylord Hotels Music City Bowl
#7 The Advocare 100 Independence Bowl
#8 The EagleBank Bowl receives the eighth choice of ACC teams.
#9 The Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl in the event that the ACC has nine bowl eligible teams, the Conference has made a conditional arrangement to send its eighth selection after the BCS to the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl in San Francisco, if either of that Bowl's primary partners are not bowl eligible.
[edit]Big 12 Conference
2010-2013:[2]
#1 Bowl Championship Series. The winner of the Big 12 Championship Game receives an automatic berth to a BCS bowl game, preferentially the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl.
#2 The Cotton Bowl Classic receives the second choice of Big 12 teams.
#3 The Alamo Bowl receives the third choice of Big 12 teams.
#4 The Insight Bowl receives the fourth choice of Big 12 teams.
#5 The Holiday Bowl receive the fifth choice of Big 12 teams.
#6 The Texas Bowl receives the sixth choice of Big 12 teams.
#7 The Pinstripe Bowl receives the seventh choice of Big 12 teams.
#8 The Dallas Football Classic would receive the eighth choice of Big 12 teams following the 2010 and 2012 seasons should the NCAA Football Issues Committee approve the game, while the EagleBank Bowl receives the eighth choice of Big 12 teams following the 2013 season. In addition the Dallas Football Classic or the EagleBank Bowl will have the eighth choice of Big 12 teams if the bowl's primary partners are not available following the 2011 season.
[edit]Big East Conference
The Big East Conference has seven bowl tie ins, up to six of which choose a Big East school in any given year.[3]
2010-2013:
#1 BCS Bowl – BIG EAST Champion receives an automatic bid to one of the BCS Bowls
#2 Champs Sports Bowl – BIG EAST vs. ACC. The Champs Sports Bowl receives the second pick, after the BCS participant is determined, and faces the ACC #3 selection.
#3 Meineke Car Care Bowl – BIG EAST vs. ACC. The third selection from the Big East will face the ACC #5 selection.
#4 New Era Pinstripe Bowl – BIG EAST vs. Big 12. The #4 selection from the Big East will face the #7 selection from the Big 12 Conference.
#5 Papajohns.com Bowl/AutoZone Liberty Bowl – BIG EAST vs. SEC or C-USA. The #5 selection from the Big East will face either the #8 or 9 team (shared pick) from the SEC in either the Papajohns.com bowl or Liberty Bowl. The Big East may also face the CUSA champion in the Liberty bowl.
#6 Beef ‘O’ Brady’s (St Petersburg) Bowl – BIG EAST vs. C-USA. The #6 Big East selection will face a team from CUSA.
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[edit]Big Ten Conference
The Big Ten Conference has seven bowl tie-ins.[4]
#1 Bowl Championship Series. The Big Ten champion gains an automatic berth to a BCS bowl game, preferentially the Rose Bowl.
#2 The Capital One Bowl receives the second choice from the Big Ten, but must choose from remaining teams with the best overall record, or within one win of the best overall record.
#3 The Outback Bowl receives the third choice of Big Ten teams.
#4 The Champs Sports Bowl receives the fourth choice of Big Ten teams.
#5 The Alamo Bowl receives the fifth choice from the Big Ten, but must choose from remaining teams with the best overall record, or within one win of the best overall record.
#6 The Insight Bowl receives the sixth choice of Big Ten teams.
#7 The Little Caesars Pizza Bowl receives the seventh choice from the Big Ten, but must choose from remaining teams with the best overall record, or within one win of the best overall record.
[edit]Conference USA
Conference USA has five regular bowl tie-ins, with a contingency to fill a spot in two more games.[5]
#1 The Liberty Bowl receives the first choice of C-USA teams, though it is not required to take the C-USA champion.
#2 The Hawaiʻi Bowl will have the second choice of C-USA teams for the 2009-10 bowl season.[6][7]
#3 The Armed Forces Bowl receives the third choice of C-USA teams.
#4 The St. Petersburg Bowl receives the fourth choice of C-USA teams.[8]
#5 The New Orleans Bowl receives the fifth choice of C-USA teams.
#6 The EagleBank Bowl will receive the sixth choice of C-USA teams if Army is not bowl-eligible.
#7 The Texas Bowl will receive the seventh choice of C-USA teams if the Big 12 is unable to provide a bowl-eligible team, or if Navy is not bowl-eligible. In the 2009 season, Navy secured bowl eligibility and accepted its invitation on November 7, 2009 [9]
[edit]Mid-American Conference
The Mid-American Conference has three regular bowl tie-ins, with a contingency to fill a spot in a fourth game. The champions of the two MAC divisions are guaranteed to go to one of the three bowl games.[10]
#1 The Little Caesars Pizza Bowl receives the first choice of MAC teams, though it is not required to take the MAC champion.
#2 The GMAC Bowl receives the second choice of MAC teams.
#3 The Humanitarian Bowl receives the third choice of MAC teams.
#4 The EagleBank Bowl normally has the eighth choice from the ACC, however in years where there are not eight eligible ACC teams, they may select a MAC team (and did so in 2009).
[edit]Mountain West Conference
The Mountain West Conference has five bowl tie-ins.[11]
#1 The Maaco Bowl Las Vegas receives the first choice of Mountain West teams, unless that team is selected by the BCS.
#2 The Poinsettia Bowl receives the second choice of Mountain West teams.
#3-4 The Armed Forces Bowl and the New Mexico Bowl have the third and fourth picks, but in no particular order.
#5 The Humanitarian Bowl receives the fifth choice of Mountain West teams.
[edit]Pacific-10 Conference
The Pacific-10 Conference has six bowl tie-ins.[12]
2010-2013:
#1 Bowl Championship Series. The Pac-10 champion gains an automatic berth to a BCS bowl game, preferentially the Rose Bowl
#2 The Alamo Bowl receives the second choice of Pac-10 teams.
#3 The Holiday Bowl receives the third choice of Pac-10 teams.
#4 The Sun Bowl receives the fourth choice of Pac-10 teams.
#5 The Las Vegas Bowl receives the fifth choice of Pac-10 taams
#6 The Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl receives the sixth choice of Pac-10 teams.
[edit]Southeastern Conference
The Southeastern Conference has nine bowl tie-ins.[13]
#1 Bowl Championship Series. The winner of the SEC Championship Game gains an automatic berth to a BCS bowl game, preferentially the Allstate Sugar Bowl.
#2 The Capital One Bowl must select the team with the best overall record among non-BCS playing SEC teams, or a team within one game of the best record.
#3-5 The Cotton Bowl Classic has first pick of remaining teams from the Western Division, and the Outback Bowl typically picks a remaining team from the Eastern Division. The Chick-fil-A Bowl selects after those two bowls.
#6-7 The Music City Bowl and the Liberty Bowl work with the SEC office to determine the sixth and seventh picks.
#8 The Independence Bowl receives the eighth choice of SEC teams. In years where the SEC does not have eight bowl eligible teams, the Independence Bowl will select from the Sun Belt Conference instead.
#9 The PapaJohns.com Bowl receives the ninth choice of SEC teams. In years where the SEC does not have nine bowl eligible teams, the PapaJohns.com Bowl will select from the Sun Belt Conference instead.
[edit]Sun Belt Conference
The Sun Belt Conference has only one guaranteed bowl tie-in, with a contingency to fill up to three additional bowl slots.[14]
#1 The New Orleans Bowl plays host to the champion of the Sun Belt conference.
#2-4 The St. Petersburg Bowl, Papajohns.com Bowl, and Independence Bowl have agreed to give precedence to a Sun Belt Conference team should the conferences that normally send teams to those bowl games not have enough bowl eligible teams. In years where more than one of these bowls has available slots, they may select teams from the Sun Belt conference in the order given.
[edit]Western Athletic Conference
The Western Athletic Conference has three regular bowl tie-ins, with a contingency to fill a spot in a fourth game.[15]
#1 The Humanitarian Bowl will host the WAC champion, unless that team is selected by the Bowl Championship Series. In that case, the bowl will get the first selection among the remaining WAC teams.
#2 The New Mexico Bowl receives the second choice of WAC teams.
#3 The Hawaiʻi Bowl will host the University of Hawaiʻi team if it has at least seven wins, and is not selected by the BCS (which happened in the 2007 season). In years where Hawaiʻi does not qualify, the bowl will receive the third choice of the remaining eligible WAC teams.
#4 The Poinsettia Bowl normally hosts the sixth selection from the Pac-10, but in years when the Pac-10 does not have six eligible teams, they will select an eligible WAC team instead.
[edit]Division I FBS Independents
Of the three independent Football Bowl Subdivision teams, there are contractual agreements to play in certain bowl games should they become bowl eligible. All three of these teams remain eligible for selection as a replacement team when the conferences do not have enough eligible teams to meet their obligations.
[edit]Notre Dame
Is eligible for selection by the BCS if they finish in the top 14 of the final BCS standings, and automatically qualifies as an at-large selection in the BCS in years where it finishes in the top 8 of the BCS rankings.[3][16]
Additionally, Notre Dame may be selected by either the Gator Bowl or the Sun Bowl instead of their normal conference tie-ins.
[edit]Navy
2010: Poinsettia Bowl[17]
2011: EagleBank Bowl [18]
2013 (January): Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl [18]
2013 (December): Armed Forces Bowl [18]
[edit]Army
2011 (January): Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl[19]
2011 (December): EagleBank Bowl[19]
2012: Poinsettia Bowl[20]









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