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Another bullshit NCAA ruling (Ohio State)

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:05 am
by Skjellyfetti
Adams, Pryor, Posey, Herron & Thomas will sit out first 5 games of 2011 for receiving improper benefits.

They're eligible for the Sugar Bowl because of of "inadequate rules education by OSU"

WTF. :?
Five football student-athletes from The Ohio State University must sit out the first five games of the 2011 season for selling awards, gifts and university apparel and receiving improper benefits in 2009, the NCAA has determined.

A sixth football student-athlete must sit out the first game in 2011 for receiving discounted services in violation of NCAA rules.

The violations fall under the NCAA’s preferential treatment bylaws.

In addition to missing five games next season, student-athletes Mike Adams, Dan Herron, DeVier Posey, Terrelle Pryor and Solomon Thomas must repay money and benefits ranging in value from $1,000 to $2,500. The repayments must be made to a charity.

Student-athlete Jordan Whiting must sit out the first game next year and pay $150 to a charity for the value of services that were discounted because of his status as a student-athlete.

“These are significant penalties based on findings and information provided by the university,” said Kevin Lennon, NCAA vice president of academic and membership affairs.

The decision from the NCAA student-athlete reinstatement staff does not include a withholding condition for the Allstate Sugar Bowl. The withholding condition was suspended and the student-athletes will be eligible to play in the bowl game Jan. 4 based on several factors.

These include the acknowledgment the student-athletes did not receive adequate rules education during the time period the violations occurred, Lennon said.

NCAA policy allows suspending withholding penalties for a championship or bowl game if it was reasonable at the time the student-athletes were not aware they were committing violations, along with considering the specific circumstances of each situation. In addition, there must not be any competitive advantage related to the violations, and the student-athletes must have eligibility remaining.

The policy for suspending withholding conditions for bowl games or NCAA championship competition recognizes the unique opportunity these events provide at the end of a season, and they are evaluated differently from a withholding perspective. In this instance, the facts are consistent with the established policy, Lennon said.

Gene Smith, associate vice president and director of athletics at Ohio State, said the university will “further enhance” its rules education in the future based on this situation.

“We were not as explicit with our student-athlete education as we should have been in the 2007-08 and 2008-09 academic years regarding the sale of apparel, awards and gifts issued by the athletics department,” Smith said. “We began to significantly improve our education in November of 2009 to address these issues. After going through this experience, we will further enhance our education for all our student-athletes as we move forward.”

The standard withholding condition in cases like these involving the five student-athletes is four games, or 30 percent of a season. A fifth game was added to the penalty because these student-athletes did not immediately disclose the violations when presented with the appropriate rules education, Lennon said.

“Once a student-athlete understands a violation has occurred, they must immediately come forward to report it,” he said. “That did not happen, so the additional one-game penalty was imposed.”

The university declared the student-athletes ineligible on Monday (Dec. 20) and requested reinstatement from the NCAA.

As part of their reinstatement, Adams must repay $1,000 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring and Herron must repay $1,150 for selling his football jersey, pants and shoes for $1,000 and receiving discounted services worth $150.

Posey must repay $1,250 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring for $1,200 and receiving discounted services worth $50, while Pryor must repay $2,500 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring, a 2009 Fiesta Bowl sportsmanship award and his 2008 Gold Pants, a gift from the university.

Solomon must repay $1,505 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring for $1,000, his 2008 Gold Pants for $350 and receiving discounted services worth $155.

During the reinstatement process, each case is evaluated based on the specific facts of the particular case by NCAA staff. Prior to reaching a decision, staff considers any guidelines
established by the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement, a student-athlete’s responsibility for the violation, as well as any mitigating factors presented by the institution.

The university can appeal the decision to the Division I NCAA Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement, an independent committee comprised of representatives from NCAA member colleges, universities and athletic conferences. This committee can reduce or remove the condition, but it cannot increase the staff-imposed conditions.

Reinstatement decisions are independent of the NCAA enforcement process and typically are made once the facts of the student-athlete’s involvement are determined. The reinstatement process is likely to conclude prior to the close of an enforcement investigation. It is NCAA policy not to comment on current, pending or potential investigations.
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Re: Another bullshit NCAA ruling (Ohio State)

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:20 am
by FargoBison
The NCAA is a joke, Newton's dad can sell him to schools and these guys get five games for this petty crap.

Re: Another bullshit NCAA ruling (Ohio State)

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:51 am
by DJH
:rofl:

Wow that is retarded.

Re: Another bullshit NCAA ruling (Ohio State)

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:09 am
by MrTitleist
This is horse shit. They're being rewarded with a bowl game despite being found guilty of receiving benefits. But slap their hands for next year when the first 5 games will be patsies.

Re: Another bullshit NCAA ruling (Ohio State)

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:16 am
by DJH
MrTitleist wrote:This is horse shit. They're being rewarded with a bowl game despite being found guilty of receiving benefits. But slap their hands for next year when the first 5 games will be patsies.
Half of those players may end up turning pro anyway.

This is a laughable ruling. Just ridiculous.

Re: Another bullshit NCAA ruling (Ohio State)

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:18 am
by nwFL Griz
MrTitleist wrote:This is horse shit. They're being rewarded with a bowl game despite being found guilty of receiving benefits. But slap their hands for next year when the first 5 games will be patsies.
Akron
Toledo
@Miami(FL)
Colorado
Michigan St

Don't think the two bolded ones are patsies. Likely both losses for the suckeyes now.

Re: Another bullshit NCAA ruling (Ohio State)

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 1:43 pm
by CitadelGrad
These incidents are just scratching the surface of what goes on at The Ohio State University. JT was dirty at Youngstown and he's dirty in Columbus.

Re: Another bullshit NCAA ruling (Ohio State)

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:22 pm
by BlueHen86
What a stupid ruling. Obviously this was dictated by the BCS and TV who didn't want a bowl game without all of OSU's players.

The players broke the rules this year, they should be punished this year. Not next year. If they go pro this year they won't have been punished at all.

Embarassing, but not suprising considering there are the same people who gave us the BCS.

Re: Another bullshit NCAA ruling (Ohio State)

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 5:47 pm
by nwFL Griz
BlueHen86 wrote:What a stupid ruling. Obviously this was dictated by the BCS and TV who didn't want a bowl game without all of OSU's players.

The players broke the rules this year, they should be punished this year. Not next year. If they go pro this year they won't have been punished at all.

Embarassing, but not suprising considering there are the same people who gave us the BCS.
+1

Re: Another bullshit NCAA ruling (Ohio State)

Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:37 pm
by JALMOND
Makes you wonder if it would have been an FCS school in the playoffs, if the NCAA would have let that school wait until next year to start the suspensions. I kind of doubt it.

Re: Another bullshit NCAA ruling (Ohio State)

Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:34 pm
by BlueHen86
JALMOND wrote:Makes you wonder if it would have been an FCS school in the playoffs, if the NCAA would have let that school wait until next year to start the suspensions. I kind of doubt it.
The NCAA are complete dopes. They made this a big deal by making it a 5 game suspension. 5 games is almost half a season, buy suspending them for 5 games the NCAA is saying that they committed a major violation. At the same time, the NCAA is saying that the violation is minor enough that the punishment can wait until next year. The NCAA is trying to have it both ways, and the reason is obviously because of TV and bowl money.

The NCAA should have just suspended each player for one quarter of the Sugar Bowl. That's a legitimate punishment (which might actually fit the crime, since I don't think what the players did was that bad), but at the same time it allows the players to play in the game, thereby satifsying TV.

Re: Another bullshit NCAA ruling (Ohio State)

Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:35 pm
by BlueHen86
JALMOND wrote:Makes you wonder if it would have been an FCS school in the playoffs, if the NCAA would have let that school wait until next year to start the suspensions. I kind of doubt it.
Agreed.

Re: Another bullshit NCAA ruling (Ohio State)

Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:57 pm
by Willie
BlueHen86 wrote:
JALMOND wrote:Makes you wonder if it would have been an FCS school in the playoffs, if the NCAA would have let that school wait until next year to start the suspensions. I kind of doubt it.
The NCAA are complete dopes. They made this a big deal by making it a 5 game suspension. 5 games is almost half a season, buy suspending them for 5 games the NCAA is saying that they committed a major violation. At the same time, the NCAA is saying that the violation is minor enough that the punishment can wait until next year. The NCAA is trying to have it both ways, and the reason is obviously because of TV and bowl money.

The NCAA should have just suspended each player for one quarter of the Sugar Bowl. That's a legitimate punishment (which might actually fit the crime, since I don't think what the players did was that bad), but at the same time it allows the players to play in the game, thereby satifsying TV.
I completely agree here. While what they did was kind of shitty, it's not nearly as bad as what Newton is still being investigated for. It's more of a crime against the University and the Alums than the NCAA. I'd much rather see them all sit a quarter than miss 5 fucking games. Herron was the only one leaving early prior to this crap, and now they likely all will except for the younger player.

Re: Another bullshit NCAA ruling (Ohio State)

Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:21 pm
by SDHornet
My gripe with this ruling is that essentially ignorance is legitimized as an excuse for a violation. Most of these players were probably gone to the NFL anyways and they should be punished for the bowl game this season. :twocents:

Re: Another bullshit NCAA ruling (Ohio State)

Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:23 pm
by Gil Dobie
Are non-athletic students that get books as part if their scholarship allowed to sell their books after the class is over?

Re: Another bullshit NCAA ruling (Ohio State)

Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:26 pm
by Willie
Gil Dobie wrote:Are non-athletic students that get books as part if their scholarship allowed to sell their books after the class is over?
Exactly. And the answer is yes.

Re: Another bullshit NCAA ruling (Ohio State)

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:50 am
by MrTitleist
Sugar Bowl CEO lobbied to keep players eligible: http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sp ... ml?sid=101" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Another bullshit NCAA ruling (Ohio State)

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:53 am
by ASUG8
Wow - the SoCon kicked one of our players out for a game for a minor altercation in the Florida game....one would think the financially/morally superior 1A schools would have standards much, much higher. :ohno:

Re: Another bullshit NCAA ruling (Ohio State)

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:18 pm
by Willie
ASUG8 wrote:Wow - the SoCon kicked one of our players out for a game for a minor altercation in the Florida game....one would think the financially/morally superior 1A schools would have standards much, much higher. :ohno:
Thinking gets you in trouble. :coffee:

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:26 pm
by tampajag
Wow - the SoCon kicked one of our players out for a game for a minor altercation in the Florida game....one would think the financially/morally superior 1A schools would have standards much, much higher. :ohno:
Why would you think that? (Hoping I just missed the sarcasm) Major college football has always been corrupt. Why would things change now with more resources and more money at stake.