No Class Whatsoever....

[SuperHornet]

No sooner does Chip Kelly exchange the green and yellow of Oregon for the "greener" pastures of the NFL, than Urban Meyer goes after every single 4-star recruit signed to Oregon. And he's not being sneaky about it, either. He sent his OC to San Diego to talk to receiver Darren Carrington.

No-class ambulance chaser....



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[uofmman1122]

It may not be the nicest thing in the world, but you act like Chip leaving wouldn't force those recruits to reconsider even if Meyer didn't do this.

Until they sign a LOI, I don't see anything wrong with this.

[SuperHornet]

You make a good point, but there's nothing that says a guy has to wait for National Signing Day to sign. That's just a tailor-made photo-op, nothing more. I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of these kids HAVE already signed with Oregon.

I prefer a kid who will stick to their word on the verbal, remembering that at least half of the commitment is to the school itself, not just to the coach. Oregon is a VERY good school in many majors (not that OSU isn't). My main issue here, though, is that a kid having second thoughts is one thing, but having a coach at another school aggressively go after them is really unethical at best and ought to be illegal.

[uofmman1122]

Like I said, I agree that it's not nice, and Meyer is kind of a scumbag for doing it so aggressively, but a verbal commitment isn't a binding contract like the LOI for a reason.

Losing the coach you decided to go play for at the last minute is a pretty big deal. Meyer is the coach that decided to do this so aggressively and publicly, but I'll bet he's not the only coach to go after some of these kids.

Welcome to the world of the semi-pro athlete.

[grizzaholic]

And here I thought this thread was going to be about MM or Raven fans.

[SuperHornet]

You make another good point. Kelly is at least partially at fault here due to the horrible timing of his departure. Given that the spring semester (or quarter, or whatever system they use) had either already started or was about to start, and that one of the primary uses of the spring term is to use a for-credit "coaching class" (officially open to the entire school, of course) to install the offensive and defensive systems prior to spring ball, Oregon is behind the eight ball, both in terms of said installation and in recruiting. But that's why Meyer is such a slimeball (or, in your words, a scumbag); he's potentially killing what future position Oregon had already established for itself. You're right that Meyer's likely not the only coach doing this, but he's the one with the brass nads to do it out in the open.

Whatever goodwill Meyer accrued during his health scare is long gone. This is yet ANOTHER reason why I can't stand FBS. I haven't heard of very many jerks of this magnitude in FCS-land....

[dbackjon]

This happens to every school that loses a coach

[grizzaholic]

This happens to every school that loses a coach

No kidding. Read Egriz in the month after a coach leaves Montana.

[uofmman1122]

This is yet ANOTHER reason why I can't stand FBS. I haven't heard of very many jerks of this magnitude in FCS-land....

Uuuhhhhhh,

Gunnar Brekke (Gatorade Player of the Year in Montana) committed verbally to Montana, but that didn't stop MSU coaches from convincing him to go play for the Bobcats, probably by telling him shit like "Their program is gonna have sanctions".

Doesn't matter, though, cuz we stole NDSU's #1 RB recruit.

[SuperHornet]

Yeah. I hadn't heard that. That's gotta be rare, though, in comparison to FBS.

[uofmman1122]

Yeah. I hadn't heard that. That's gotta be rare, though, in comparison to FBS.

I think you just don't hear about it.

There's no rule against it, so schools have every incentive to do it if given the opportunity.

[SDHornet]

Another pointless SH thread. Coaches will and have do all they can to bring in recruits...that includes paying them (gasp).

[rkwittem]

No sooner does Chip Kelly exchange the green and yellow of Oregon for the "greener" pastures of the NFL, than Urban Meyer goes after every single 4-star recruit signed to Oregon. And he's not being sneaky about it, either. He sent his OC to San Diego to talk to receiver Darren Carrington.

No-class ambulance chaser....



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He's not getting paid to sit on his ass in the offseason. He's getting paid to win on and off the field. Every coach in the country who cares about winning. Since you're clueless, I'll fill you in. Oregon's big recruit, a kid named Dontre Wilson, is from Desoto, TX. As it is, he knows one of Ohio State's top recruits, QB JT Barrett from Wichita Falls, TX. Barrett had supposedly been pitching OSU hard to Wilson and Wilson was already thinking about visiting Ohio State. Additionally, with Ohio State losing out on a few of their targets, Meyer has/had to be open to trying to flip guys. The other kids won't come to Ohio State. Wilson is the only one with a legitimate shot, IMO.

So yeah, Urban is a vicious recruiter. Big deal. Is what he did any worse than Tommy Tuberville refusing to honor the scholarships of Butch Jones' Cincinnati commitments? This is a way of life at the highest level. All is fair in love and war. Any coach who doesn't do this should be fired.

[clenz]

Yeah. I hadn't heard that. That's gotta be rare, though, in comparison to FBS.

I think you just don't hear about it.

There's no rule against it, so schools have every incentive to do it if given the opportunity.

UNI has had 2 commits de-commit this year and commit elsewhere....

We've also benefited from the same thing (multiple times)


It's much more common than you'd think.

[ASUMountaineer]

You make a good point, but there's nothing that says a guy has to wait for National Signing Day to sign. That's just a tailor-made photo-op, nothing more. I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of these kids HAVE already signed with Oregon.

I prefer a kid who will stick to their word on the verbal, remembering that at least half of the commitment is to the school itself, not just to the coach. Oregon is a VERY good school in many majors (not that OSU isn't). My main issue here, though, is that a kid having second thoughts is one thing, but having a coach at another school aggressively go after them is really unethical at best and ought to be illegal.

If a coach is free to leave whenever he chooses, the player should be able to as well. Why should an 18-year old be held to his word, but not a 47-year old? A HC is a major part of the decision for these players. If a coach leaves, it changes part of the basis on which the decision was made--just like any other decision, a change in the facts causes a re-evaluation of the decision.

Your post isn't grounded in reality, or fairness. You're acting just like the NCAA. I bet you think a player that transfers should sit out a year too, while a coach that changes job should be free to do so with no delay. That's, no class.

[Pwns]

What exactly is the problem here? Some recruits DO pick a school because they like the coach or the offensive and defensive systems. Theres's no telling what kind of system might end up at Oregon next and Meyer does have a system very similar to Chip Kelly's at Oregon. Makes sense to me. No one is going to point a gun at these players and force them to go to Ohio State.

[ASUMountaineer]

What exactly is the problem here? Some recruits DO pick a school because they like the coach or the offensive and defensive systems. Theres's no telling what kind of system might end up at Oregon next and Meyer does have a system very similar to Chip Kelly's at Oregon. Makes sense to me. No one is going to point a gun at these players and force them to go to Ohio State.

Because SH likes the view up on his high horse.

[AZGrizFan]

Doesn't matter, though, cuz we stole NDSU's #1 RB recruit.

But he hadn't actually verballed yet.

[AZGrizFan]

What exactly is the problem here? Some recruits DO pick a school because they like the coach or the offensive and defensive systems. Theres's no telling what kind of system might end up at Oregon next and Meyer does have a system very similar to Chip Kelly's at Oregon. Makes sense to me. No one is going to point a gun at these players and force them to go to Ohio State.

Because SH likes the view up on his high horse.

Personally, I think that if a coach leaves or gets fired, every player currently ON the team should be allowed the opportunity to transfer without penalty.

[uofmman1122]

Doesn't matter, though, cuz we stole NDSU's #1 RB recruit.

But he hadn't actually verballed yet.

I meant in the sense that we lost one running back prospect, and gained a much better one.

[SuperHornet]

Well, AZ, that already happens in one crazy circumstance: the entire program is disbanded. But you probably already knew that....

[ASUMountaineer]

Because SH likes the view up on his high horse.

Personally, I think that if a coach leaves or gets fired, every player currently ON the team should be allowed the opportunity to transfer without penalty.

I concur.

[JohnStOnge]

Like others not seeing the "no class" angle. There's nothing that says anybody has to stop recruiting a player until he signs on signing day. Just heard on the radio the other day that Les Miles, for instance, was going to go personally visit some guy that verbally committed to UCLA. If somebody's perceived as a really good player them verbally committing to one program doesn't mean all the other programs give up. Not at all.