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The introduction of Navy to the American Athletic Conference (the former football-playing schools in the Big East) is proving to be a conundrum to the bogus playoff selection committee. The Army-Navy Game has been scheduled for an entire week after the conference championship games. There's all sorts of speculation on how the results of the game would affect Navy were they to be the highest ranked G5 champ. Does a loss to Army shift things around? If they barely beat a weak Army squad, does someone sneak by?

Something to think about....

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Eventually there won't be Independent teams. It's just too dumb to have when it comes to voting and scenarios for the playoff. I see Notre Dame eventually joining either the Big 12 or B1G Ten. Army will either go to the AAC or the MAC in a least case scenario. BYU will try for the PAC but end up back in the MWC. And Idaho will go back down to the Big Sky.

Willie wrote:Eventually there won't be Independent teams. It's just too dumb to have when it comes to voting and scenarios for the playoff. I see Notre Dame eventually joining either the Big 12 or B1G Ten. Army will either go to the AAC or the MAC in a least case scenario. BYU will try for the PAC but end up back in the MWC. And Idaho will go back down to the Big Sky.

ND is affiliated (but not a member of) the ACC. BYU... lololololol.

While I disagree with Willie quite a bit, in THIS case, I think he's spot-on.

Except that I see Army eventually joining the Patriot League. They just can't keep up with Navy and Air Force, for some reason. Heck, they might even have to drop down to join the Coast Guard Academy in D-III.

MrTitleist wrote:ND is affiliated (but not a member of) the ACC. BYU... lololololol.

Yeah, but I doubt they'd let them in for football. The ACC Network would have issues with their television rights. In fact, just about any conference would have issue with it these days as all the major conferences now have their own respective networks. But if ND wants to be in the mix they're gonna have to buck up and join someone.

Willie wrote:

MrTitleist wrote:ND is affiliated (but not a member of) the ACC. BYU... lololololol.

Yeah, but I doubt they'd let them in for football. The ACC Network would have issues with their television rights. In fact, just about any conference would have issue with it these days as all the major conferences now have their own respective networks. But if ND wants to be in the mix they're gonna have to buck up and join someone.

Why does ND need to join someone? They're already in the mix where they are, they found a home for all their non-football teams (the ACC), and all it cost them was a scheduling agreement with ACC football teams that allows them to be on the East Coast for games, which is where they wanted to be anyway for a portion of their schedule. ND has worked the system masterfully, IMO - football, if they're good enough (undefeated and they are a lock, one loss and it depends on who they lost to and what the rest of the field looks like, but basically not much different than anyone else), will get into the playoffs, and they're in the best basketball and the best lacrosse conference in the country. And they get to keep their television network to boot. ND ftw.

Because until they are in a conference, they're going to get pounded every year in the recruiting race. Players want to play for conference titles.

SuperHornet wrote:While I disagree with Willie quite a bit, in THIS case, I think he's spot-on.

Except that I see Army eventually joining the Patriot League. They just can't keep up with Navy and Air Force, for some reason. Heck, they might even have to drop down to join the Coast Guard Academy in D-III.

Army will not be an FCS program.

clenz wrote:

SuperHornet wrote:While I disagree with Willie quite a bit, in THIS case, I think he's spot-on.

Except that I see Army eventually joining the Patriot League. They just can't keep up with Navy and Air Force, for some reason. Heck, they might even have to drop down to join the Coast Guard Academy in D-III.

Army will not be an FCS program.

clenz wrote:

SuperHornet wrote:While I disagree with Willie quite a bit, in THIS case, I think he's spot-on.

Except that I see Army eventually joining the Patriot League. They just can't keep up with Navy and Air Force, for some reason. Heck, they might even have to drop down to join the Coast Guard Academy in D-III.

Army will not be an FCS program.

They ought to be. For whatever reason, they can't compete, even against the other D-I academies.

SuperHornet wrote:

clenz wrote: Army will not be an FCS program.

They ought to be. For whatever reason, they can't compete, even against the other D-I academies.

So you're proposing a relegation system?

clenz wrote:

SuperHornet wrote:
They ought to be. For whatever reason, they can't compete, even against the other D-I academies.

So you're proposing a relegation system?

I could live with that....

Willie wrote:Because until they are in a conference, they're going to get pounded every year in the recruiting race. Players want to play for conference titles.

Stop making stuff up. Players want to play for national titles, conference titles are just things you get on the way. And they want to play for more than that - TV time is great, playing for a great program is a plus, the coach matters, etc.

And really, how is Notre Dame getting "pounded" every year in the recruiting race? The past three seasons (2013-2015) ND has had, by Rivals, the #3, #11, and #11 recruiting classes in the nation. Plenty of schools who play in conferences are trailing Notre Dame in the recruiting race.

When was the last time they won the national title? Without looking up stats I can't tell you. All I know is that I'm sure Holtz was the coach so it's been quite some time. So if they're recruiting is so good, it doesn't show.

Players want championships, yes. But for conference titles they get rings too and they love that shit. Just fact.

Notre Dame is hardly getting pounded in recruiting. The only Championship that matters to kids is the National Championship. IMO, ND has put themselves in a great position.

If Navy and Air Force can do it, there is no reason why Army can't. They just need the right coach.

Willie wrote:When was the last time they won the national title? Without looking up stats I can't tell you. All I know is that I'm sure Holtz was the coach so it's been quite some time. So if they're recruiting is so good, it doesn't show.

Players want championships, yes. But for conference titles they get rings too and they love that ****. Just fact.

So now if you don't win a national title you're recruiting isn't any good? Come on, think before you post, that's just darn right silly. ND was in a national title game two years ago, they beat an SEC team in a bowl game last year, and they're going to be a top 15 team at least this year. The recruiting ratings year after year are showing them to be doing just fine in terms of recruiting, sometimes a top 10 class and other times top 15, and their recent results on the field agree with that. They are clearly a nationally competitive team and apparently doing more than fine without being in a conference. How's that for "fact"?

Notre Dame is never going to join a conference for football. They don't want to share their TV riches. They are probably the only team who could get a TV contract like they have as an independent.

What TV riches? No one watches them on NBC since all the major conferences have their own networks.

Dude, seriously, put down the shovel already.

SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- NBC Sports Group announced a 10-year contract extension to televise Notre Dame football games Thursday, doubling the length of its previous agreement.

NBC and Notre Dame said the extension would begin in 2016 and run through the 2025 season. The contract, reportedly worth $15 million annually for football, had never run for more than five years.

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What does extending their contract do? Nothing other than extending it. Do people in the south watch ND on NBC? Do ACC fans or Big 12 fans watch them? How about B1G Ten? No, Notre Dame fans watch them. Shit I live 2 hours from South Bend and not a single one of their games was on NBC here this past season. Yet there are ND fans all over this fucking place. I'm not digging shit here my friend.

Willie wrote:What does extending their contract do? Nothing other than extending it. Do people in the south watch ND on NBC? Do ACC fans or Big 12 fans watch them? How about B1G Ten? No, Notre Dame fans watch them. Shit I live 2 hours from South Bend and not a single one of their games was on NBC here this past season. Yet there are ND fans all over this fucking place. I'm not digging shit here my friend.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... -deal-2025
According to NBC Sports Group, the Irish averaged 4.4 million viewers and a 2.8 household rating for its seven games on NBC in 2012.

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/tag/not ... v-ratings/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; has a lot of numbers.

On the low side ND draws 1.5-2.0 m viewers per week and on the high side they push 5 million.

Not too shabby for a program no one watches.


I live a 35 minute drive from Kinnick Stadium and Iowa City and I don't give a shit about watching them. Yet they draw pretty damn well on BTN.

Willie wrote:What does extending their contract do? Nothing other than extending it. Do people in the south watch ND on NBC? Do ACC fans or Big 12 fans watch them? How about B1G Ten? No, Notre Dame fans watch them. Shit I live 2 hours from South Bend and not a single one of their games was on NBC here this past season. Yet there are ND fans all over this fucking place. I'm not digging shit here my friend.

Did you read the part where they get 15 million annually throughout that extension? Those are the TV riches.

Oh wow, that's impressive. Except that even bottom dweller SEC schools make more from the SEC network than ND. Vanderbilt is making more tv money than ND. That's fucking embarassing.

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Willie wrote:Oh wow, that's impressive. Except that even bottom dweller SEC schools make more from the SEC network than ND. Vanderbilt is making more tv money than ND. That's **** embarassing.

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That wasn't the discussion - you said that Notre Dame can't recruit against schools in conferences because every kid wants a conference championship ring. We showed you that Notre Dame, by the recruiting rankings, is doing extremely well versus teams that are in conferences, and that's proven to be correct by Notre Dame's performance on the field (a top 5 finish three years ago, a top 20 two years ago, and a preseason top 15 this year). And while schools like Vanderbilt and Indiana and other college football lightweights make more in terms of media revenue than Notre Dame does (and since the Big 10 network has been around for almost a decade now the Big 10 schools have been making more money for quite some time) only Notre Dame is guaranteed to have every game on national TV week in and week out. That kind of exposure helps lure the kids, and probably more than the potential of some conference championship ring.

And what I'm saying is that watch what happens if ND were eligible for the playoff. They won't get in due to them not being in a conference. If the committee punished the Big 12 for not having a championship game you really think they'll let an independent in?