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he total of 40 team-competitive bowls, including the national championship game, is one less than the previous year, with the folding of the Poinsettia Bowl.[1][2] While bowl games had been the purview of only the very best teams for nearly a century, this was the 12th consecutive year that teams with non-winning seasons participated in bowl games. To fill the 78 available bowl slots, a total of 15 teams (19% of all participants) with non-winning seasons will participate in bowl games—all 15 had scored a .500 (6–6) season.

Mvemjsunpx wrote:App State and Toledo are both conference champions, and they're playing in a bowl game in Alabama that's sponsored by a dollar store. I bet the swag gifts for playing in that one are just amazing…

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Mvemjsunpx wrote:App State and Toledo are both conference champions, and they're playing in a bowl game in Alabama that's sponsored by a dollar store. I bet the swag gifts for playing in that one are just amazing…

Who sponsors the FCS championship again? What's the payout like? What swag is given out?

Mvemjsunpx wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:
Who sponsors the FCS championship again? What's the payout like? What swag is given out?

But… it's a national championship game. You get a big trophy that, you know, means something. Not to mention that these MAC & Sun Belt athletic departments are ultimately spending way more money just for the hope of getting their players some dollar-store swag.

AshevilleApp wrote:

Mvemjsunpx wrote:
But… it's a national championship game. You get a big trophy that, you know, means something. Not to mention that these MAC & Sun Belt athletic departments are ultimately spending way more money just for the hope of getting their players some dollar-store swag.

I think that fans of the schools who make the move are largely satisfied, and that is really all that matters.

AshevilleApp wrote:

Mvemjsunpx wrote:
But… it's a national championship game. You get a big trophy that, you know, means something. Not to mention that these MAC & Sun Belt athletic departments are ultimately spending way more money just for the hope of getting their players some dollar-store swag.

I think that fans of the schools who make the move are largely satisfied, and that is really all that matters.

Mvemjsunpx wrote:

AshevilleApp wrote:
I think that fans of the schools who make the move are largely satisfied, and that is really all that matters.

That's just silly. Potentially hemorrhaging money just for a minor increase in fan "satisfaction" is a terrible tradeoff. Everybody moves up because they & their fans think they can be the next Boise, but their chances of actually pulling that off are probably less than 1%. The rest just end up spending more money for, at best, minor financial & football gains that aren't worth the spending. That's money that could be better spent on basketball, or even *gasp* academics.

JohnStOnge wrote:Is it just because they have so many bowls now? I am TRYING to watch a bowl game right now but it's the first time I've even tried to watch. It's like they have 40 bowl games and maybe 5 are interesting. I think this quote from the Wikipedia articles on bowls says it all:

he total of 40 team-competitive bowls, including the national championship game, is one less than the previous year, with the folding of the Poinsettia Bowl.[1][2] While bowl games had been the purview of only the very best teams for nearly a century, this was the 12th consecutive year that teams with non-winning seasons participated in bowl games. To fill the 78 available bowl slots, a total of 15 teams (19% of all participants) with non-winning seasons will participate in bowl games—all 15 had scored a .500 (6–6) season.

To me it's a shame that enough fans watch this crap to sustain it. I've got the awful App State vs. Toledo bowl game going in the background right now because there's nothing else on TV and I live to have the TV on. But I doubt it I watch any of the other ones other than the CFP and the LSU/Notre Dame game.

This is just ridiculous. The NCAA needs to say that if you want to be in the NCAA this bowl crap has to stop and we're just going to have a NCAA tournament like they have in all other sports.

AshevilleApp wrote:

Mvemjsunpx wrote:
But… it's a national championship game. You get a big trophy that, you know, means something. Not to mention that these MAC & Sun Belt athletic departments are ultimately spending way more money just for the hope of getting their players some dollar-store swag.

I think that fans of the schools who make the move are largely satisfied, and that is really all that matters.

BDKJMU wrote:

AshevilleApp wrote:
I think that fans of the schools who make the move are largely satisfied, and that is really all that matters.

Well the Toledo and App fans sure didn’t show it on Sat night. I was watching part of the game, and even mid 2nd Qtr, when the crowd should be at its peak, 40k capacity Ladd Peebles looked maybe 1/3 full...

Now before someone counters with the attendance was listed at 20 some thousand or 30 some thousand, bowls are notorious for grossly inflating attendance #s. It looked like no more than 15k tops..

AshevilleApp wrote:

Mvemjsunpx wrote:
That's just silly. Potentially hemorrhaging money just for a minor increase in fan "satisfaction" is a terrible tradeoff. Everybody moves up because they & their fans think they can be the next Boise, but their chances of actually pulling that off are probably less than 1%. The rest just end up spending more money for, at best, minor financial & football gains that aren't worth the spending. That's money that could be better spent on basketball, or even *gasp* academics.

How do you judge what is "worth the spending" though? I'd say fan (alumni) satisfaction is a pretty good indicator. And since they pay a decent chunk of the money for capital improvements on campus, beyond just athletics, keeping them satisfied is very important. Time will certainly tell whether the move was wise, but so far the results have been good.

AshevilleApp wrote:

BDKJMU wrote: Well the Toledo and App fans sure didn’t show it on Sat night. I was watching part of the game, and even mid 2nd Qtr, when the crowd should be at its peak, 40k capacity Ladd Peebles looked maybe 1/3 full...

Now before someone counters with the attendance was listed at 20 some thousand or 30 some thousand, bowls are notorious for grossly inflating attendance #s. It looked like no more than 15k tops..

Yup, everybody skipped a game on December 23rd because they are dissatisfied with the program. Glad you watched the game though!

BDKJMU wrote:

AshevilleApp wrote:
Yup, everybody skipped a game on December 23rd because they are dissatisfied with the program. Glad you watched the game though!

Where were all the satisfied fans on Sat night? If they were satisfied how come they weren’t at the game?

kalm wrote:

AshevilleApp wrote:
How do you judge what is "worth the spending" though? I'd say fan (alumni) satisfaction is a pretty good indicator. And since they pay a decent chunk of the money for capital improvements on campus, beyond just athletics, keeping them satisfied is very important. Time will certainly tell whether the move was wise, but so far the results have been good.

You're both making valid points and if my team were tonever make the jump I'd probably defend it too.

Question: what's more satisfying...a 10-2 or better season culminating in one extra game and a bowl victory or winning 4 more games probably at home, culminating in a National Championship?

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Mvemjsunpx wrote:App State and Toledo are both conference champions, and they're playing in a bowl game in Alabama that's sponsored by a dollar store. I bet the swag gifts for playing in that one are just amazing…

Who sponsors the FCS championship again? What's the payout like? What swag is given out?

AshevilleApp wrote:

BDKJMU wrote: Where were all the satisfied fans on Sat night? If they were satisfied how come they weren’t at the game?

Think man. Where else might they be on December 23rd? I know it's a tough one, but crunch real hard here.

AshevilleApp wrote:

BDKJMU wrote: Where were all the satisfied fans on Sat night? If they were satisfied how come they weren’t at the game?

Think man. Where else might they be on December 23rd? I know it's a tough one, but crunch real hard here.

bandl wrote:

AshevilleApp wrote:
Think man. Where else might they be on December 23rd? I know it's a tough one, but crunch real hard here.

Having your bowl game on 12/23 kind of goes with the whole thing that JSO is arguing, no?

bandl wrote:

AshevilleApp wrote:
Think man. Where else might they be on December 23rd? I know it's a tough one, but crunch real hard here.

Having your bowl game on 12/23 kind of goes with the whole thing that JSO is arguing, no?

AshevilleApp wrote:

Mvemjsunpx wrote:
That's just silly. Potentially hemorrhaging money just for a minor increase in fan "satisfaction" is a terrible tradeoff. Everybody moves up because they & their fans think they can be the next Boise, but their chances of actually pulling that off are probably less than 1%. The rest just end up spending more money for, at best, minor financial & football gains that aren't worth the spending. That's money that could be better spent on basketball, or even *gasp* academics.

How do you judge what is "worth the spending" though? I'd say fan (alumni) satisfaction is a pretty good indicator. And since they pay a decent chunk of the money for capital improvements on campus, beyond just athletics, keeping them satisfied is very important. Time will certainly tell whether the move was wise, but so far the results have been good.

dbackjon wrote:

AshevilleApp wrote:
How do you judge what is "worth the spending" though? I'd say fan (alumni) satisfaction is a pretty good indicator. And since they pay a decent chunk of the money for capital improvements on campus, beyond just athletics, keeping them satisfied is very important. Time will certainly tell whether the move was wise, but so far the results have been good.

Then why has average attendance at App Games gone DOWN from FCS years?

Skjellyfetti wrote:We had multiple games over 30k this year. First time ever.

We had shitty attendance for Savannah State. That wouldn't have been different if we were FCS.