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The Golden Knights pull off biggest upset in school history won the game 34-27!!!!!!

UCF's win and Big Ten getting shut out of the playoffs will hopefully speed up the 8-team playoff.

Skjellyfetti wrote:UCF's win and Big Ten getting shut out of the playoffs will hopefully speed up the 8-team playoff.

Point taken maybe it will increase to 12 one day!!!!!!Wisconsin beat Miami again wow!!!!!

UCF undefeated National Champions!

Gil Dobie wrote:UCF undefeated National Champions!

I wish.

Skjellyfetti wrote:UCF's win and Big Ten getting shut out of the playoffs will hopefully speed up the 8-team playoff.

UCF may not have made an 8 team playoff. The college football playoff rankings by the all powerful Committee had the Knights at #10. It won't happen but they need to just turn things over to the NCAA and have a NCAA playoffs like in the other sports and football levels.

What hacks me off is here is Alabama again being given a shot to win the national championship when they not only didn't win their conference but didn't even win their division within their conference. It happened like that with the 2011 BCS title game and now it's happening in the College Football Playoff (CFP).

I realize they say "the best four teams" but I don't think that's what it should be. I think if it's going to be four teams it should be the four teams that did the most to earn one of the spots.

Like take Wisconsin vs. Alabama. Wisconsin won their division of their conference and played in the Big 10 championship game where they lost by 6 points to Ohio State; which finished at #5 in the CFP rankings. Alabama LOST in the game for the SEC West title by 12 points to Auburn; which finished at #7 in the CFP rankings. Wisconsin clearly did more to earn a spot than Alabama did.

Really, though, if they're going to have only 4 teams in the CFP one of the rules ought to be that a team has to win its conference championship to be included.

8 team playoff with 5 auto-bids from the P5, highest ranked G5 gets auto-bid, and two other at-large.

A 6 team playoff with conference P5 champions and highest ranked G5 would work as well.

Gil Dobie wrote:UCF undefeated National Champions!

Congrats - I heard Danny White is scheduling a parade!!

JohnStOnge wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:UCF's win and Big Ten getting shut out of the playoffs will hopefully speed up the 8-team playoff.

UCF may not have made an 8 team playoff. The college football playoff rankings by the all powerful Committee had the Knights at #10. It won't happen but they need to just turn things over to the NCAA and have a NCAA playoffs like in the other sports and football levels.

What hacks me off is here is Alabama again being given a shot to win the national championship when they not only didn't win their conference but didn't even win their division within their conference. It happened like that with the 2011 BCS title game and now it's happening in the College Football Playoff (CFP).

I realize they say "the best four teams" but I don't think that's what it should be. I think if it's going to be four teams it should be the four teams that did the most to earn one of the spots.

Like take Wisconsin vs. Alabama. Wisconsin won their division of their conference and played in the Big 10 championship game where they lost by 6 points to Ohio State; which finished at #5 in the CFP rankings. Alabama LOST in the game for the SEC West title by 12 points to Auburn; which finished at #7 in the CFP rankings. Wisconsin clearly did more to earn a spot than Alabama did.

Really, though, if they're going to have only 4 teams in the CFP one of the rules ought to be that a team has to win its conference championship to be included.

Anyone who watched the Alabama-Clemson game, knows Alabama belongs in the NC game.

bluehenbillk wrote:

Gil Dobie wrote:UCF undefeated National Champions!

Congrats - I heard Danny White is scheduling a parade!!

I believe it will be Scott Frost.

Skjellyfetti wrote:8 team playoff with 5 auto-bids from the P5, highest ranked G5 gets auto-bid, and two other at-large.

A 6 team playoff with conference P5 champions and highest ranked G5 would work as well.

Option 1 sounds good, Option 2 sounds sketchy to me. I think you have to leave room for a second place conference team.

89Hen wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:8 team playoff with 5 auto-bids from the P5, highest ranked G5 gets auto-bid, and two other at-large.

A 6 team playoff with conference P5 champions and highest ranked G5 would work as well.

Option 1 sounds good, Option 2 sounds sketchy to me. I think you have to leave room for a second place conference team.

I'd be fine with Option 1, but I would put a limit on t he highest ranked G5 team - make them be at least 15th or something in the rankings (either a separate ranking or a composite of polls). UCF was clearly a deserving team this year and should've been in there over a 'Bama, but you don't get that every year. It's still just 8 teams and you want the best in there, not just 7 teams and an obligatory G5 team. If a G5 team in worthy, most years being in the top 15 will get them in.

UCF's best wins:
1. A Memphis team that lost to Iowa State
2. a USF team whose only Power 5 win was squeaking by 6-6 Texas Tech.
3. A 4-8 Maryland team.

I hate it for them and think the CFP needs to expand, but you can't tell me it's fair to put them in over any of the 4 teams in the playoff, especially either of the SEC teams.

They had 2 wins over top-25. Same as Alabama.

Alabama's best win was a pretty mediocre LSU.

Alabama is probably one of the best 4 teams in the country... but, their resume wasn't great. 3rd place in conference and 2nd place in your division shouldn't get you in a 4 team playoff, imo.

89Hen wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:8 team playoff with 5 auto-bids from the P5, highest ranked G5 gets auto-bid, and two other at-large.

A 6 team playoff with conference P5 champions and highest ranked G5 would work as well.

Option 1 sounds good, Option 2 sounds sketchy to me. I think you have to leave room for a second place conference team.

I would prefer Option 1 as well.

But, I wouldn't have any qualms about a second place conference team being left out of the playoffs. If you want to be the national champion - win your conference. Pretty simple.

bluehenbillk wrote:

Gil Dobie wrote:UCF undefeated National Champions!

Congrats - I heard Danny White is scheduling a parade!!

Why? D. White is an Arizona State alum.

SuperHornet wrote:

bluehenbillk wrote:
Congrats - I heard Danny White is scheduling a parade!!

Why? D. White is an Arizona State alum.

The other Danny White

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UCF athletic director Danny White said Wednesday that the program has decided to claim a national championship and will place a championship banner inside Spectrum Stadium to recognize its undefeated 2017 season.

Pwns wrote:UCF's best wins:
1. A Memphis team that lost to Iowa State
2. a USF team whose only Power 5 win was squeaking by 6-6 Texas Tech.
3. A 4-8 Maryland team.

I hate it for them and think the CFP needs to expand, but you can't tell me it's fair to put them in over any of the 4 teams in the playoff, especially either of the SEC teams.

Before the semi-finals Alabama's best win was Fresno State, food for thought.......

Alabama just decisively beat the team none of the SEC haters (and that's really what a lot of this all is about, butthurt that the NCG is an all-SEC affair) had any objection to having the #1 seed. They were the correct team to put in the playoff, period.

Pwns wrote:Alabama just decisively beat the team none of the SEC haters (and that's really what a lot of this all is about, butthurt that the NCG is an all-SEC affair) had any objection to having the #1 seed. They were the correct team to put in the playoff, period.

Nope, sorry, good try. You can't justify inclusion into a 4 team playoff based on the outcome of that 4 team playoff after the fact. Just because you win games after getting into something you shouldn't have been in in the first place doesn't erase the fact you shouldn't be there.

UCF #nationalchamps

Pwns wrote:Alabama just decisively beat the team none of the SEC haters (and that's really what a lot of this all is about, butthurt that the NCG is an all-SEC affair) had any objection to having the #1 seed. They were the correct team to put in the playoff, period.

GannonFan wrote:UCF #nationalchamps

Nope. They just join the long list of eligible undefeateds without a BCS and/or AP national championship (you know, the ones that matter). Small sample:

2010 - TCU 13-0
2009 - Boise St 14-0
2008 - Utah 13-0
2006 - Boise St 13-0
2004 - Auburn 13-0
1997 - Nebraska 13-0
1994 - Penn State 12-0
1993 - Auburn 11-0
1991 - Washington 12-0
1973 - Penn State 12-0
1969 - Penn State 11-0
1968 - Penn State 11-0

GannonFan wrote:

Pwns wrote:Alabama just decisively beat the team none of the SEC haters (and that's really what a lot of this all is about, butthurt that the NCG is an all-SEC affair) had any objection to having the #1 seed. They were the correct team to put in the playoff, period.

Nope, sorry, good try. You can't justify inclusion into a 4 team playoff based on the outcome of that 4 team playoff after the fact. Just because you win games after getting into something you shouldn't have been in in the first place doesn't erase the fact you shouldn't be there.

UCF #nationalchamps

But apparently you can use UCF's post-season win over Auburn as a post-hoc justification that they should've been in the playoff and should be national champs. How do you justify UCF with just the regular season?

Their best regular-season win was Memphis (only Power 5 win was a 4-8 UCLA team) and South Florida (didn't beat any Power 5 teams). Their strength of schedule pales in comparison to any SEC team's strength of schedule.

Pwns wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
Nope, sorry, good try. You can't justify inclusion into a 4 team playoff based on the outcome of that 4 team playoff after the fact. Just because you win games after getting into something you shouldn't have been in in the first place doesn't erase the fact you shouldn't be there.

UCF #nationalchamps

But apparently you can use UCF's post-season win over Auburn as a post-hoc justification that they should've been in the playoff and should be national champs. How do you justify UCF with just the regular season?

Their best regular-season win was Memphis (only Power 5 win was a 4-8 UCLA team) and South Florida (didn't beat any Power 5 teams). Their strength of schedule pales in comparison to any SEC team's strength of schedule.

Alabama's non-conference wins? Fresno St, Florida St (7-5), Colorado St, Mercer.

Gil Dobie wrote:

Pwns wrote:
But apparently you can use UCF's post-season win over Auburn as a post-hoc justification that they should've been in the playoff and should be national champs. How do you justify UCF with just the regular season?

Their best regular-season win was Memphis (only Power 5 win was a 4-8 UCLA team) and South Florida (didn't beat any Power 5 teams). Their strength of schedule pales in comparison to any SEC team's strength of schedule.

Alabama's non-conference wins? Fresno St, Florida St (7-5), Colorado St, Mercer.

You aren't really trying to say the SEC is no better than the AAC are you?

Pwns wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
Nope, sorry, good try. You can't justify inclusion into a 4 team playoff based on the outcome of that 4 team playoff after the fact. Just because you win games after getting into something you shouldn't have been in in the first place doesn't erase the fact you shouldn't be there.

UCF #nationalchamps

But apparently you can use UCF's post-season win over Auburn as a post-hoc justification that they should've been in the playoff and should be national champs. How do you justify UCF with just the regular season?

Their best regular-season win was Memphis (only Power 5 win was a 4-8 UCLA team) and South Florida (didn't beat any Power 5 teams). Their strength of schedule pales in comparison to any SEC team's strength of schedule.

Typical 'Bama fan/SEC apologist only bringing up the regular season game against Memphis, when UCF actually beat Memphis twice as they had to face them again in the conference championship game (you know, the kind of conference championship game 'Bama didn't even qualify for). When you look at 'Bama's schedule, they played three hard games all year (strangely, the same number as UCF) - they played Mississippi St, LSU, and Auburn. And unlike UCF, which won all of their hard games, 'Bama went 2-1. 'Bama got in because the system's rigged, not because they earned it.

#UCFNationalChamps