Missouri Valley Football Conference 2010

[JBB]

I see everyone politely glossed over the record of futility for the MVFC in playoff football. Of course that would require admitting mediocrity or worse for the programs that built the record and it shows the conference to be little more than cannon fodder.

Guys like FargoBison are OK guys, but a lot like many of you. An entire thread was spend ridiculing the idea that NDSU could move to FBS even though they already have the attendance and facilities to make the jump yet many of the same posters populate another thread with all kinds of possibilities for the FBS even though many of their top candidates dont have the attendance or even the stadium to make the jump! Thats what I call a huge disconnect.

As far as football goes the MVFC is not an intimidating place to be. Its weak at the top and ripe for realignment among the leaders. If the best team in conference the past few years cant have success in the playoffs they are not a nationally competitive team.

Then comes Fargobison with his tale!

[GraftonBison]

JBB,

Do you have any numbers for overall playoff records for the other "power" conferences in FCS? Breakdown by team like you did for the MVC?

I would be interested to see a comparison if you have it.

[DoublePar]

"BOZEMAN, Mont. -- Brian Wright, the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at Youngstown State for the past five years and a nine-year veteran of the Penguin coaching staff, has joined the Montana State program in the same capacity, Bobcat coach Rob Ash announced Friday.
.....
"Brian is a highly-talented offensive football coach," Ash said. "He coached in an excellent conference, ...."

Montana State Coach Rob Ash differs with JBB.

[houndawg]

I see everyone politely glossed over the record of futility for the MVFC in playoff football. Of course that would require admitting mediocrity or worse for the programs that built the record and it shows the conference to be little more than cannon fodder.

Guys like FargoBison are OK guys, but a lot like many of you. An entire thread was spend ridiculing the idea that NDSU could move to FBS even though they already have the attendance and facilities to make the jump yet many of the same posters populate another thread with all kinds of possibilities for the FBS even though many of their top candidates dont have the attendance or even the stadium to make the jump! Thats what I call a huge disconnect.

As far as football goes the MVFC is not an intimidating place to be. Its weak at the top and ripe for realignment among the leaders. If the best team in conference the past few years cant have success in the playoffs they are not a nationally competitive team.

Then comes Fargobison with his tale!

It's good that you aren't intimidated by the MVC, in spite of your performance there.

Speaking of disconnects, how are you going to get FBS talent to come to (snicker) Fargo, Nowhere Dakota?

[DJH]

I see everyone politely glossed over the record of futility for the MVFC in playoff football. Of course that would require admitting mediocrity or worse for the programs that built the record and it shows the conference to be little more than cannon fodder.

Guys like FargoBison are OK guys, but a lot like many of you. An entire thread was spend ridiculing the idea that NDSU could move to FBS even though they already have the attendance and facilities to make the jump yet many of the same posters populate another thread with all kinds of possibilities for the FBS even though many of their top candidates dont have the attendance or even the stadium to make the jump! Thats what I call a huge disconnect.

As far as football goes the MVFC is not an intimidating place to be. Its weak at the top and ripe for realignment among the leaders. If the best team in conference the past few years cant have success in the playoffs they are not a nationally competitive team.

Then comes Fargobison with his tale!

DELUSION.

[GraftonBison]

I see everyone politely glossed over the record of futility for the MVFC in playoff football. Of course that would require admitting mediocrity or worse for the programs that built the record and it shows the conference to be little more than cannon fodder.

Guys like FargoBison are OK guys, but a lot like many of you. An entire thread was spend ridiculing the idea that NDSU could move to FBS even though they already have the attendance and facilities to make the jump yet many of the same posters populate another thread with all kinds of possibilities for the FBS even though many of their top candidates dont have the attendance or even the stadium to make the jump! Thats what I call a huge disconnect.

As far as football goes the MVFC is not an intimidating place to be. Its weak at the top and ripe for realignment among the leaders. If the best team in conference the past few years cant have success in the playoffs they are not a nationally competitive team.

Then comes Fargobison with his tale!

After doing a little research, this is what I have found for playoff results in the last ten years. It only includes teams currently still in each conference. Results not guaranteed to be completely accurate.

MVFC: 17-18 overall record, UNI (8-5), SIU (5-7)
Southern: 35-19 overall, App. St. (18-5), rest of conference (17-14)
Big Sky: 24-21 overall, Montana (19-9), rest of conference (5-12)
CAA: 47-27 overall, Delaware (10-3), Villanova (7-2), Richmond (9-4), JMU (6-3)
Southland: 9-16 overall

It looks to me like UNI has done fairly well over this time period. The CAA, App. St., and Montana have been pretty dominant. Compared to the "rest" of FCS it looks to me like the MVFC has been just as competitive.

I think it clearly shows how tough it is to win in the playoffs on a consistent basis, props to the CAA, App. St., and Montana. I hope that NDSU has a chance to show in the near future they can win some playoff games, but it will not be easy!! To say the MVFC is ready to be dominated, IMO is completely assinine.

[Thumper 76]

I see everyone politely glossed over the record of futility for the MVFC in playoff football. Of course that would require admitting mediocrity or worse for the programs that built the record and it shows the conference to be little more than cannon fodder.

Guys like FargoBison are OK guys, but a lot like many of you. An entire thread was spend ridiculing the idea that NDSU could move to FBS even though they already have the attendance and facilities to make the jump yet many of the same posters populate another thread with all kinds of possibilities for the FBS even though many of their top candidates dont have the attendance or even the stadium to make the jump! Thats what I call a huge disconnect.

As far as football goes the MVFC is not an intimidating place to be. Its weak at the top and ripe for realignment among the leaders. If the best team in conference the past few years cant have success in the playoffs they are not a nationally competitive team.

Then comes Fargobison with his tale!

After doing a little research, this is what I have found for playoff results in the last ten years. It only includes teams currently still in each conference. Results not guaranteed to be completely accurate.

MVFC: 17-18 overall record, UNI (8-5), SIU (5-7)
Southern: 35-19 overall, App. St. (18-5), rest of conference (17-14)
Big Sky: 24-21 overall, Montana (19-9), rest of conference (5-12)
CAA: 47-27 overall, Delaware (10-3), Villanova (7-2), Richmond (9-4), JMU (6-3)
Southland: 9-16 overall

It looks to me like UNI has done fairly well over this time period. The CAA, App. St., and Montana have been pretty dominant. Compared to the "rest" of FCS it looks to me like the MVFC has been just as competitive.

I think it clearly shows how tough it is to win in the playoffs on a consistent basis, props to the CAA, App. St., and Montana. I hope that NDSU has a chance to show in the near future they can win some playoff games, but it will not be easy!! To say the MVFC is ready to be dominated, IMO is completely assinine.

That would be because JBB is assinine in general. I've noticed that the only thing that comes out of his head tends to be stupid

[guinzone]

In 2000, Youngstown State went 0-1 in the playoffs.
In 2006, Youngstown State went 2-1 in the playoffs.

Not sure if that was included or not.

[GraftonBison]

Here is the complete breakdown I found for the MVFC since 2000.........

UNI 8-5
SIU 5-7
SDSU 0-1
YSU 2-2
WIU 2-3

overall record of 17-18

Didn't include teams no longer in the MVFC.

[JBB]

Thanks for the help on the research fellas. I havent checked it for accuracy but it points out what Im saying. Despite the insightful additions from folks like thumper the MVFC is a bracket filler. The great conferences are led by dominate teams. The MVFC doesnt have one right now and hasnt since YSU completed its fantastic run. There is a gap between the top of the MVFC and the top of other power conferences. From what I saw last year the dominate teams in the MVF just aren't that dominate. That gap needs to be filled. SIU has been a dismal entry for us. SDSU made its first foray into the playoffs and bowed out one and done. UNI is broke. The future is going to have new faces.

[clenz]

Thanks for the help on the research fellas. I havent checked it for accuracy but it points out what Im saying. Despite the insightful additions from folks like thumper the MVFC is a bracket filler. The great conferences are led by dominate teams. The MVFC doesnt have one right now and hasnt since YSU completed its fantastic run. There is a gap between the top of the MVFC and the top of other power conferences. From what I saw last year the dominate teams in the MVF just aren't that dominate. That gap needs to be filled. SIU has been a dismal entry for us. SDSU made its first foray into the playoffs and bowed out one and done. UNI is broke. The future is going to have new faces.

So since 2005 the MVFC has had a title game apperance, 2 or 3 semi final apperances and it's broke? Hell, only two conferences have won titles since 2005...the App State Conferece and the CAA. The MVFC is the second best conference in the nation I feel. The only reason the big sky gets touted as good is Montana.

[clenz]

Also what does that say about your program if you feel that the conference sucks, but the minute you join it you go from being 10-1 to 3-8?

[mgbison]

obviously, the mvc is one of the better conferences from top to bottom. However, i'm sick of people from other teams thinking that we went from 10-1 to 3-8 because the mvc is so tough. our 10-1 teams would beat last years team by 40. we just had 2 bad classes back to back, and sub par qb play (still blows my mind why we didn't recruit a qb for 2 or 3 years), and we had some legal issues. Throw it all together and you have the perfect sh%#storm.

We will have a good chance at the playoffs this coming year, but if we don't make the playoffs by 2011, it's safe to say we will have a new head coach. i'd be willing to put a good chunk of change on it, that we will be in the playoffs by 2011. Those 10-1 years were awesome, but some bison fans heads got a little big from those years. The funny thing is we probably didn't have a single 2 star recruit on those teams, so that goes to show how much stock you can put into rivals,etc.

[clenz]

obviously, the mvc is one of the better conferences from top to bottom. However, i'm sick of people from other teams thinking that we went from 10-1 to 3-8 because the mvc is so tough. our 10-1 teams would beat last years team by 40. we just had 2 bad classes back to back, and sub par qb play (still blows my mind why we didn't recruit a qb for 2 or 3 years), and we had some legal issues. Throw it all together and you have the perfect sh%#storm.

We will have a good chance at the playoffs this coming year, but if we don't make the playoffs by 2011, it's safe to say we will have a new head coach. i'd be willing to put a good chunk of change on it, that we will be in the playoffs by 2011. Those 10-1 years were awesome, but some bison fans heads got a little big from those years. The funny thing is we probably didn't have a single 2 star recruit on those teams, so that goes to show how much stock you can put into rivals,etc.

Some fans head got a little big?

Did you beat a playoff team in 2006?

Here is the 2006 schedule for NDSU...not impressive at all

W - Concordia-St Paul - 5-6 in division 2
W - Northeastern - 5-6
W - Ball State - 5-7
W - Stephan F. Austin - 4-7
W - Georgia Southern - 3-8
W - Miss Valley State - 6-5 - unimpressive 6-5
L - Minnesota - 6-5
W - Southern Utah - 3-8
W - UC Davis - 6-5 - A really unimpressive 6-5
W - Cal Poly - 7-4
W - SDSU - 7-4


Their oppenents were 57-67 in 2006, and beat 1 playoff eligible team.

[Benne]

Here is the 2006 schedule for NDSU...not impressive at all

W - Concordia-St Paul - 5-6 in division 2
W - Northeastern - 5-6
W - Ball State - 5-7
W - Stephan F. Austin - 4-7
W - Georgia Southern - 3-8
W - Miss Valley State - 6-5 - unimpressive 6-5
L - Minnesota - 6-5
W - Southern Utah - 3-8
W - UC Davis - 6-5 - A really unimpressive 6-5
W - Cal Poly - 7-4
W - SDSU - 7-4


Their oppenents were 57-67 in 2006, and beat 1 playoff eligible team.

I thought their 2007 season was much more impressive.

[clenz]

Here is the 2006 schedule for NDSU...not impressive at all

W - Concordia-St Paul - 5-6 in division 2
W - Northeastern - 5-6
W - Ball State - 5-7
W - Stephan F. Austin - 4-7
W - Georgia Southern - 3-8
W - Miss Valley State - 6-5 - unimpressive 6-5
L - Minnesota - 6-5
W - Southern Utah - 3-8
W - UC Davis - 6-5 - A really unimpressive 6-5
W - Cal Poly - 7-4
W - SDSU - 7-4


Their oppenents were 57-67 in 2006, and beat 1 playoff eligible team.

I thought their 2007 season was much more impressive.

I haven't gone through their 2007 season yet...but I'm going to at some point

[mgbison]

who knows, i thought the 06 team was better than the 07 team, but it doesn't really matter. we had more depth in 06 and had less injuries.

[mgbison]

2010 predictions
1. NDSU
2. SIU
3. UNI
4. SDSU
5. ISU red
6. YSU
7. MSU
7. WIU
8. ISU blue

i'm being a homer with NDSU at 1, but i really like how our schedule is set up. Also, no team stood out as the clear favorite. i think any combination of teams (#1 through 6) could make the playoffs. Each week will definitely be a battle.

SDSU would have been my #1 with the players they have returning, but their schedule is brutal. I went to the MN game and wasn't impressed with TOB (he is young though, so he should be better next year).

[FargoBison]

obviously, the mvc is one of the better conferences from top to bottom. However, i'm sick of people from other teams thinking that we went from 10-1 to 3-8 because the mvc is so tough. our 10-1 teams would beat last years team by 40. we just had 2 bad classes back to back, and sub par qb play (still blows my mind why we didn't recruit a qb for 2 or 3 years), and we had some legal issues. Throw it all together and you have the perfect sh%#storm.

We will have a good chance at the playoffs this coming year, but if we don't make the playoffs by 2011, it's safe to say we will have a new head coach. i'd be willing to put a good chunk of change on it, that we will be in the playoffs by 2011. Those 10-1 years were awesome, but some bison fans heads got a little big from those years. The funny thing is we probably didn't have a single 2 star recruit on those teams, so that goes to show how much stock you can put into rivals,etc.

Some fans head got a little big?

Did you beat a playoff team in 2006?

Here is the 2006 schedule for NDSU...not impressive at all

W - Concordia-St Paul - 5-6 in division 2
W - Northeastern - 5-6
W - Ball State - 5-7
W - Stephan F. Austin - 4-7
W - Georgia Southern - 3-8
W - Miss Valley State - 6-5 - unimpressive 6-5
L - Minnesota - 6-5
W - Southern Utah - 3-8
W - UC Davis - 6-5 - A really unimpressive 6-5
W - Cal Poly - 7-4
W - SDSU - 7-4


Their oppenents were 57-67 in 2006, and beat 1 playoff eligible team.

2009 Schedule...
Iowa State 7-6
SHSU 5-6
Wagner 6-5 a really unimpressive 6-5
SIU-11-2
Ill St 6-5
UNI 7-4
SDSU 8-4
MSU 6-5
WIU 1-10
Ind St 1-10
YSU 6-5

64-62

Not a huge difference, hey but if we go 10-1 in 2009 I'm sure you would be saying it was a great year even though our opponents would be 57-69.

[UNI88]

who knows, i thought the 06 team was better than the 07 team, but it doesn't really matter. we had more depth in 06 and had less injuries.

Didn't the 07 Team take a pretty good Central Michigan team behind the woodshed?

[TheBisonator]

I see everyone politely glossed over the record of futility for the MVFC in playoff football. Of course that would require admitting mediocrity or worse for the programs that built the record and it shows the conference to be little more than cannon fodder.

Guys like FargoBison are OK guys, but a lot like many of you. An entire thread was spend ridiculing the idea that NDSU could move to FBS even though they already have the attendance and facilities to make the jump yet many of the same posters populate another thread with all kinds of possibilities for the FBS even though many of their top candidates dont have the attendance or even the stadium to make the jump! Thats what I call a huge disconnect.

As far as football goes the MVFC is not an intimidating place to be. Its weak at the top and ripe for realignment among the leaders. If the best team in conference the past few years cant have success in the playoffs they are not a nationally competitive team.

Then comes Fargobison with his tale!

It's good that you aren't intimidated by the MVC, in spite of your performance there.

Speaking of disconnects, how are you going to get FBS talent to come to (snicker) Fargo, Nowhere Dakota?

Fargo-Moorhead isn't New York, but it isn't pissfart rural bumfack either. It's a metro area of over 200,000 people with basically every kind of amenity a big city can offer. The only pressing issue is the weather. A lot of people are turned off by the insane winters.

How easy is it to recruit players to Fargo?? A lot easier than recruiting players to Laramie, Wyoming, Ames, Iowa, Stillwater, Oklahoma, Starkville, Missouri, etc. etc.

[clenz]

Some fans head got a little big?

Did you beat a playoff team in 2006?

Here is the 2006 schedule for NDSU...not impressive at all

W - Concordia-St Paul - 5-6 in division 2
W - Northeastern - 5-6
W - Ball State - 5-7
W - Stephan F. Austin - 4-7
W - Georgia Southern - 3-8
W - Miss Valley State - 6-5 - unimpressive 6-5
L - Minnesota - 6-5
W - Southern Utah - 3-8
W - UC Davis - 6-5 - A really unimpressive 6-5
W - Cal Poly - 7-4
W - SDSU - 7-4


Their oppenents were 57-67 in 2006, and beat 1 playoff eligible team.

2009 Schedule...
Iowa State 7-6
SHSU 5-6
Wagner 6-5 a really unimpressive 6-5
SIU-11-2
Ill St 6-5
UNI 7-4
SDSU 8-4
MSU 6-5
WIU 1-10
Ind St 1-10
YSU 6-5

64-62

Not a huge difference, hey but if we go 10-1 in 2009 I'm sure you would be saying it was a great year even though our opponents would be 57-69.

[JBB]

A lot of those teams looked a lot better when the BISON played them. Many collapsed after having the stuffing knocked out of them by NDSU. UNI experienced something similar this past season. After their Fargo game they went on to lose their playoff spot.

[DJH]

please leave.

[Thumper 76]

Thanks for the help on the research fellas. I havent checked it for accuracy but it points out what Im saying. Despite the insightful additions from folks like thumper the MVFC is a bracket filler. The great conferences are led by dominate teams. The MVFC doesnt have one right now and hasnt since YSU completed its fantastic run. There is a gap between the top of the MVFC and the top of other power conferences. From what I saw last year the dominate teams in the MVF just aren't that dominate. That gap needs to be filled. SIU has been a dismal entry for us. SDSU made its first foray into the playoffs and bowed out one and done. UNI is broke. The future is going to have new faces.

You keep spouting how the MVC is a bracket filler, which to most I would think means one and done. If your making drives into the playoffs I would not consider that being a "filler" because a filler gets knocked out right away. Yea, SDSU was one and done. Glad you gloss over the fact that it was at easily one of the top two toughest places to place in FCS, and the fact they forced that team to have one of the comebacks for the ages, or that that team lost the championship game by like 2 pts. I personally don't consider that just filling a spot in the bracket, as your term would suggest.

And to make claims that you are poised to dominate after sliding from being a good program to the cellar is a bit funny. I realize you are the "mighty Bison" and the other teams should quake at the mention of your name, and that us poor widdle wabbits jus have been lucky for three years in a row, but still, you should win the conference first or at least be in the top three for a year or two before claiming to be "poised to dominate"