Cupcakes & Idiots

[happyappy99]

yea and the national title winner often predicted different than the #1 team in the nation at season start. i guess a few ppl have a hard time thinking that our schools are not anything more than a warm up game for those schools. there is a reason we get paid......we know we are less of a team...the schools know and the players know. Talents is 5 times what we have up at UNC rather than WM. WE ARE CUPCAKES!!!! our rosters talent is C at best comparted to B+ and A's of the top 25. CUP CAKES!!!!! EASY....MONEY GAMES....how else do you want it layed out for you. charleston state is a CUPCAKE FOR MONTANA!!! same deal lower divisions. They dont give teams 500 K to be a close game. they give em 500 K to get smoked. ANY top 25 team in FBS should KILL any top 25 FCS TEAM!!! PERIOD END OF STORY....if your think any different your nuts

Is this really Black Falkin?

[mebison]

Speaking of cupcakes, who's playing a D2 game this year?

[Aho Old Guy]

Pitt can (and will) slobber-knock UNH (while most likely sleepwalking throughout the game due to their anticipation of "The U" coming into town the following Thursday).

W&M has a (slim) chance to keep it a 3 touchdown game with Carolina because:

1) It's Car'lina (no 'O');
2) They'll be on the rebound from their game at "The U" and anticipating their trip to Tallahassee the following Saturday; and (most importantly)
3) Half their starters will not be in attendance as they will be cruising around in their agent-supplied Escalades talking on their agent-supplied cell phones to their booster-supplied tutors about their on-going NCAA investigation (only half-way joking).

Don't get me wrong --- I hope the FCS makes a good showing (and the bad water surrounding Carolina football is only luke warm) but if you believes we ain't 'Kup Kakes' you need to adjust your tin-foil helmets.

[COBBLESTONE]

Just to be devil's advocate here, let's be a little honest, the record of FCS teams playing against FBS teams over the past decade is pretty embarrassing. Typically we can count the number of FCS wins in those game on one hand and almost all of the wins are against either MAC or Sun Belt teams. And most of the games, especially some that he calls out, are out and out blowouts. We can point to Appy St beating Michigan and all the CAA wins last year, but the truth is they are few and far between. If we want more respect from guys like this and the general public at large, win the games. Right now, the record FCS has against FBS doesn't do anything to make anyone rethink the cupcake designation.

I think any person who is knowledgeable about college football would fully expect FBS teams to win big over the FCS and would really just shrug their shoulders if their FBS team blows out one of our guys. Generally speaking the FBS teams have players who are a bit bigger, faster and stronger than FCS players. Also let's not forget the depth charts. Most FBS vs. FCS games are held in early September in stadiums where the temperature can be close to 100 degrees. Starters on both sides are most likely equally well conditioned as far as stamina and playing in the heat, however the FBS team can easily go deep into their roster if need be to give a first or second string player a breather. The FCS team probably doesn't have that luxury. Whether we like to admit it or not there are some second and third stringers on FBS teams that could easily be starters at an FCS school.

A loss by one of our teams to an FBS team is to be expected. A victory is cause for a massive celebration.

[mtgrizfankb]

Montana is playing a DIV 2 game. yea a cupcake game....because we desided to not back out of a contract that was made a long time ago. and we needed to break in a new O and D anyway with a new coach. however we are going to TENN next year.

[GoneTribal]

I think there is some confusion as to the difference between a "should win" & a "cupcake" (not talking top 25 bcs)

[BlackFalkin]

you guys have the Kirk Herbstreit quote wrong. He's saying that teams like #1 Alabama ect. basically any team ranked in the bcs top 25 shouldnt be playing a fcs. USC shd be playing Mississippi, Penn State, Mizzou, but instead play Hawaii, & San Jose state... and i think Bama is playing Georgia State. <--wtf Theres something wrong with that. and Kirk is correct. *HOWEVER* its all about money and teams want cheap & easy wins. Solution? FCS team on the schedule.
:genius:

[happyappy99]

you guys have the Kirk Herbstreit quote wrong. He's saying that teams like #1 Alabama ect. basically any team ranked in the bcs top 25 shouldnt be playing a fcs. USC shd be playing Mississippi, Penn State, Mizzou, but instead play Hawaii, & San Jose state... and i think Bama is playing Georgia State. <--wtf Theres something wrong with that. and Kirk is correct. *HOWEVER* its all about money and teams want cheap & easy wins. Solution? FCS team on the schedule.
:genius:

I think you mean "etc."

[Aho Old Guy]

It looks as if the FCS is somewhere around 17-244 against the FBS over the last 3 years.

There are 83 FCS/FBS football games this year --- 39 this week.

Best shots from computer models are Tulane -7.72 against SE Louisiana. Next best is UVa -12.48 against Richmond.

San Diego State -15.58 against Nichols State, Indiana -17.04 versus Towson and Arizona State -17.16 over Portland State.

That's your Top 5 and the only projected margins under 3 touchdowns.


FCS Top 20 versus FBS you ask?

Temple -33.28 over Villanova
Dook -21.90 against Elon
Texas A&M -27.17 over SFA
UCF -29.18 versus SDSU
Georgia Tech -40.16 over SCSt
Nevada -32.13 against E-Dub
Iowa -39.11 versus Eastern Illinois
Ole Miss -30.77 against J-State
Boston College -28.44 over Weber State

Might be a few good bets in there, but you will have to go somewhere other than Vegas to make them. They don't book FBS/FCS.

[Skjellyfetti]

Funny. I like the App State name drop. Apparently he has forgotten what happened why they played in the "Big House". What a **** joke.

That College Gameday was from September 1, 2007. He's talking about the Appalachian State - Michigan game that was to kickoff in an hour or so.

[BlackFalkin]

Funny. I like the App State name drop. Apparently he has forgotten what happened why they played in the "Big House". What a **** joke.

That College Gameday was from September 1, 2007. He's talking about the Appalachian State - Michigan game that was to kickoff in an hour or so.

[SDHornet]

Funny. I like the App State name drop. Apparently he has forgotten what happened why they played in the "Big House". What a **** joke.

That College Gameday was from September 1, 2007. He's talking about the Appalachian State - Michigan game that was to kickoff in an hour or so.

Oh. That explains it then.

[blackfordpu]

Oh man, I though this was a thread about Tx State and SFA.

Oops

[BDKJMU]

UNH is a cupcake to Texas. To Pitt?



No way!

I wouldn't call Bill a cupcake to Chapel Hill, either. To Miami (FL), perhaps. But not to Chapel Hill.

These games are good possibilities for an FCS win.

UNC is probably as good as Miami this yr.

[BDKJMU]

No...WM should be a cupcake for UNC. UNC has the talent to be a BCS team this year...number 1 or not in the FCS that shouldn't be close

Iowa had the talent last year to make it to a BCS game and win the Orange Bowl... yet only beat UNI 17-16, mind you a UNI team that missed the playoffs... Was UNI a cupcake for Iowa? No.

Same here. William & Mary is an elite FCS and shouldnt be considered a cupcake for a lower half top 25 type team. And the only reason UNC has a BCS shot is cause the ACC is very weak this year.

Oh come on, you have no idea if the ACC is going to be weak this yr for a BCS conference. Going off history the last 3 seasons of the 12 I-A conferences/6 BCS, Sagarin had them 5th, 3rd, and 4th. We won't know for sure how strong any BCS conference will be until the games are played. I know the preseason polls are worthless, but they have 5 top 20 teams.

[BDKJMU]

It looks as if the FCS is somewhere around 17-244 against the FBS over the last 3 years.

There are 83 FCS/FBS football games this year --- 39 this week.

Best shots from computer models are Tulane -7.72 against SE Louisiana. Next best is UVa -12.48 against Richmond.

San Diego State -15.58 against Nichols State, Indiana -17.04 versus Towson and Arizona State -17.16 over Portland State.

That's your Top 5 and the only projected margins under 3 touchdowns.


FCS Top 20 versus FBS you ask?

Temple -33.28 over Villanova
Dook -21.90 against Elon
Texas A&M -27.17 over SFA
UCF -29.18 versus SDSU
Georgia Tech -40.16 over SCSt
Nevada -32.13 against E-Dub
Iowa -39.11 versus Eastern Illinois
Ole Miss -30.77 against J-State
Boston College -28.44 over Weber State

Might be a few good bets in there, but you will have to go somewhere other than Vegas to make them. They don't book FBS/FCS.

Got a website for you I just stumbled across for the 1st time:
http://www.cfbtrivia.com/cfbt_teamrecords.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I plugged in I-A vs non I-A for the last 10 seasons 2000-2009 and came up with 628-70, a record of just a hair under 90%.

Can't make a comparison of BCS vs I-AA, but if the overall I-A vs I-AA is 90%, I imagine for BCS its around 95%, and non BCS around 85%

Ranked I-A vs vs non I-A 1978-2009: 201-1. ASU over Michigan was the only time since the division split in 78'.

ASU was then ranked #1. UNI was ranked #1 when they lost @ then #22 Iowa last Sept 17-6.

So statistically speaking, with a 201-1 record, anytime you have a ranked I-A play a I-AA, you'd have to say they were playing a cupcake, with history showing the exception being when it was the top ranked I-AA team.

[CID1990]

and i see your post says ranked there now.....well why is not the winner of the national championship ranked #1 now???? why dont we just finalize the standings now??? BECAUSE SOME TEAMS LOOK BETTER OR WORSE THAN WHAT THEY DID BEFORE CAMP STARTED. the freshman are here. the transfers are here and injuries have taken place. SO overall most college football experts are saying the ACC will be a tough conf to be in. not the toughest but still rough.

ANy experienced UNC fan (like mysefl) can tell you that UNC ALWAYS starts the season with somebody saying they are going to challenge for the ACC championship and then the season begins......

[Aho Old Guy]

Got a website for you I just stumbled across for the 1st time:
http://www.cfbtrivia.com/cfbt_teamrecords.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I plugged in I-A vs non I-A for the last 10 seasons 2000-2009 and came up with 628-70, a record of just a hair under 90%.

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Thanks for the link -- I love to bog people down with silly little things like stats and trivia

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Oh come on, you have no idea if the ACC is going to be weak this yr for a BCS conference. Going off history the last 3 seasons of the 12 I-A conferences/6 BCS, Sagarin had them 5th, 3rd, and 4th. We won't know for sure how strong any BCS conference will be until the games are played. I know the preseason polls are worthless, but they have 5 top 20 teams.

The ACC 'Coastal' with VT, GT, Miami & Carolina in the power rankings is neck-&-neck with the SEC West (Alabama, Arkansas, LSU, Auburn).

We'll find out soon enough this weekend with VT/Boise St and LSU/Carolina. I like Tech's chances against Boise St since they are playing at FedEx Field --- Carolina is the hard one to judge; they may come out sky-high or lower than whale poop due to the NCAA investigations.

[catbob]

We are cupcakes for elite FBS schools. This isn't even debatable.

The only thing to consider here, is that (nearly) every single one of these games is played at the FBS school's stadium. The numbers would be slightly better if we had some home games in there.

[UNHWildCats]

you guys are not as smart as you think. you are saying that will and mary is not a cupcake for UNC??? they dam well should be....because the number 18 team in the nation and a really big chance to push for the ACC championship....they should be able to handle will and mary with 2nd string players.

that being said anything can happen. but yes WM is a cupcake for UNC.....may be overlooked but a cupcake non the less.

ps. you said to miami they would be a cupcake....news flash read a paper UNC is only 5 spots behind Miami in the polls

[UNHWildCats]

your doctor just called and wanted us to let you know there's no cure for stupid... Sorry.

No...WM should be a cupcake for UNC. UNC has the talent to be a BCS team this year...number 1 or not in the FCS that shouldn't be close

[UNHWildCats]

Iowa had the talent last year to make it to a BCS game and win the Orange Bowl... yet only beat UNI 17-16, mind you a UNI team that missed the playoffs... Was UNI a cupcake for Iowa? No.

Same here. William & Mary is an elite FCS and shouldnt be considered a cupcake for a lower half top 25 type team. And the only reason UNC has a BCS shot is cause the ACC is very weak this year.

ahhahahaha and you try and call people stupid. the ACC this year is suppose to be the best its been in a LONG time. like last 10 years. UNC, FSU , MIami, are all suppose to hold top 15 spots. And YES UNI was a cupcake for IOWA......but iowa over looked them and got beat. its like a 15 beating a 2 in a basketball tourney. a cup cake but some times if you dont play hard enough you lose. WM is tough not sayign they are not. but 9 out of 10 times UNC should beat them by atleast 20+. i understand we want to be the big dogs but we are not. not the UM not UNI not WM. any top 25 FBS team should be able to wax any top 25 FCS team with their 2nd string.

its like WM playing Grand Valley....or washburn. SHOULD be a waxing

[UNHWildCats]

Iowa had the talent last year to make it to a BCS game and win the Orange Bowl... yet only beat UNI 17-16, mind you a UNI team that missed the playoffs... Was UNI a cupcake for Iowa? No.

Same here. William & Mary is an elite FCS and shouldnt be considered a cupcake for a lower half top 25 type team. And the only reason UNC has a BCS shot is cause the ACC is very weak this year.

Oh come on, you have no idea if the ACC is going to be weak this yr for a BCS conference. Going off history the last 3 seasons of the 12 I-A conferences/6 BCS, Sagarin had them 5th, 3rd, and 4th. We won't know for sure how strong any BCS conference will be until the games are played. I know the preseason polls are worthless, but they have 5 top 20 teams.

can we call them weak yet???

[UNHWildCats]

Got a website for you I just stumbled across for the 1st time:
http://www.cfbtrivia.com/cfbt_teamrecords.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I plugged in I-A vs non I-A for the last 10 seasons 2000-2009 and came up with 628-70, a record of just a hair under 90%.

...

Thanks for the link -- I love to bog people down with silly little things like stats and trivia

....

Oh come on, you have no idea if the ACC is going to be weak this yr for a BCS conference. Going off history the last 3 seasons of the 12 I-A conferences/6 BCS, Sagarin had them 5th, 3rd, and 4th. We won't know for sure how strong any BCS conference will be until the games are played. I know the preseason polls are worthless, but they have 5 top 20 teams.

The ACC 'Coastal' with VT, GT, Miami & Carolina in the power rankings is neck-&-neck with the SEC West (Alabama, Arkansas, LSU, Auburn).

We'll find out soon enough this weekend with VT/Boise St and LSU/Carolina. I like Tech's chances against Boise St since they are playing at FedEx Field --- Carolina is the hard one to judge; they may come out sky-high or lower than whale poop due to the NCAA investigations.

Combined Records of schools named: ACC 20-11 SEC 27-4

[DJH]

nice thread bump. +1