ASU - defenseless

[AssKickinChicken]

As opposed to two Payton candidates who in 2010 have:

1) thrown 8 interceptions in 11 games (1 in every 50 attempts);
2) thrown 29 TD passes in 11 games (1 in every 14 attempts); and
3) accomplished an overall cumulative QB rating of 155.

yea, but both those Payton candidates were able to 'pad' their stats vs that woeful ASU defense.

[HensRock]

And 1979 was D-2. And the others were voted in. No playoffs. Delaware has one Division 1-AA/FCS Championship. One.

Am I wrong that in the era of 1AA/FCS Delaware has won one National Championship? Are you trying to claim a D-2 Championship as comparable to 1-AA/FCS? Ya'll ain't Georgia Southern. Quit pretending you are.

Actually both of those NC's were in the I=AA/FCS era. I-AA had just started in 1979. En route to that Div-II National champioship that year, Delaware played and defeated a I-AA semi-finalist. They also played FOUR Div-IA schools, beating 3 of them!

Beleive it or not, there was some good football being played before Div I-AA.

Edit: Oh yeah, App was 3-8 that year which included a 9-0 shutout by William & Mary, who Delaware had just beaten 40-0 the week before.

[SpeedkingATL]

And 1979 was D-2. And the others were voted in. No playoffs. Delaware has one Division 1-AA/FCS Championship. One.

Am I wrong that in the era of 1AA/FCS Delaware has won one National Championship? Are you trying to claim a D-2 Championship as comparable to 1-AA/FCS? Ya'll ain't Georgia Southern. Quit pretending you are.

Actually both of those NC's were in the I=AA/FCS era. I-AA had just started in 1979. En route to that Div-II National champioship that year, Delaware played and defeated a I-AA semi-finalist. They also played FOUR Div-IA schools, beating 3 of them!

Believe it or not, there was some good football being played before Div I-AA.

What the heck has this Delaware Chicken history lesson got to do with ASU's defense anyway; wasn't that the point of your thread?? Who wants to watch defense anyway......crap just score 50 and dare the other team to score 51. That's been the game plan at ASU since they went to the spread in 2004 and it's not flawless but it works pretty well. ASU has enough defense to win any game they play and that's the bottom line. The better question would be does Delaware or any of your CAA brothers have enough offense to keep up. The answer to that will come in the playoffs assuming we all make it that far. I would love nothing better than for the Apps and Hens to meet again in Frisco, as the season would be a successful one regardless of the outcome. You better hope ASU is defenseless...

[AshevilleApp]

And 1979 was D-2. And the others were voted in. No playoffs. Delaware has one Division 1-AA/FCS Championship. One.

Am I wrong that in the era of 1AA/FCS Delaware has won one National Championship? Are you trying to claim a D-2 Championship as comparable to 1-AA/FCS? Ya'll ain't Georgia Southern. Quit pretending you are.

Actually both of those NC's were in the I=AA/FCS era. I-AA had just started in 1979. En route to that Div-II National champioship that year, Delaware played and defeated a I-AA semi-finalist. They also played FOUR Div-IA schools, beating 3 of them!

Beleive it or not, there was some good football being played before Div I-AA.

Edit: Oh yeah, App was 3-8 that year which included a 9-0 shutout by William & Mary, who Delaware had just beaten 40-0 the week before.

Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear enough. I agree that one of your two National Championships in the 1-AA/Championship Subdivision era was D-2. I'm glad we agree that Delaware has one 1-AA/Championship Subdivision National Championship. Helluva team you had in 2003.

[AshevilleApp]

Actually both of those NC's were in the I=AA/FCS era. I-AA had just started in 1979. En route to that Div-II National champioship that year, Delaware played and defeated a I-AA semi-finalist. They also played FOUR Div-IA schools, beating 3 of them!

Believe it or not, there was some good football being played before Div I-AA.

What the heck has this Delaware Chicken history lesson got to do with ASU's defense anyway; wasn't that the point of your thread?? Who wants to watch defense anyway......crap just score 50 and dare the other team to score 51. That's been the game plan at ASU since they went to the spread in 2004 and it's not flawless but it works pretty well. ASU has enough defense to win any game they play and that's the bottom line. The better question would be does Delaware or any of your CAA brothers have enough offense to keep up. The answer to that will come in the playoffs assuming we all make it that far. I would love nothing better than for the Apps and Hens to meet again in Frisco, as the season would be a successful one regardless of the outcome. You better hope ASU is defenseless...

Because the easiest way to rile up the Delaware folks is to challenge their interpretation of history. It's kind of fun actually. Basically it produces the same results that the CAA superiority threads get from the rest of us.

[Appaholic]

What the heck has this Delaware Chicken history lesson got to do with ASU's defense anyway; wasn't that the point of your thread?? Who wants to watch defense anyway......crap just score 50 and dare the other team to score 51. That's been the game plan at ASU since they went to the spread in 2004 and it's not flawless but it works pretty well. ASU has enough defense to win any game they play and that's the bottom line. The better question would be does Delaware or any of your CAA brothers have enough offense to keep up. The answer to that will come in the playoffs assuming we all make it that far. I would love nothing better than for the Apps and Hens to meet again in Frisco, as the season would be a successful one regardless of the outcome. You better hope ASU is defenseless...

Because the easiest way to rile up the Delaware folks is to challenge their interpretation of history. It's kind of fun actually. Basically it produces the same results that the CAA superiority threads get from the rest of us.

Or getting Montana fans riled up about their "dominance" of the Big Fluffy conference....

[Pwns]

You remember 2007, don't you?

What happen in 2007 is about as relevant as what happened in 2003...

It is relevant. It shows you don't need to have a really good defense to win championships if your offense can move the ball at will. ASU gave up a ton of points in 2007. In conference games that year they gave up over 30 points per game. They also gave up 35 points to EWU and Richmond in the playoffs.

Now is App. State's offense as good as it was in 2007? Nope, but it's a stretch to say they it'll keep them from going deep into the playoffs.

[Appaholic]

What happen in 2007 is about as relevant as what happened in 2003...

It is relevant. It shows you don't need to have a really good defense to win championships if your offense can move the ball at will. ASU gave up a ton of points in 2007. In conference games that year they gave up over 30 points per game. They also gave up 35 points to EWU and Richmond in the playoffs.

Now is App. State's offense as good as it was in 2007? Nope, but it's a stretch to say they it'll keep them from going deep into the playoffs.

HARK! A voice of reason emerges from the wilderness.....

Actually, just about the only team we didn't give up more than 30 pts to in a game would have been Delawhere? (49-21 I believe..... )

[mcveyrl]

It is relevant. It shows you don't need to have a really good defense to win championships if your offense can move the ball at will. ASU gave up a ton of points in 2007. In conference games that year they gave up over 30 points per game. They also gave up 35 points to EWU and Richmond in the playoffs.

Now is App. State's offense as good as it was in 2007? Nope, but it's a stretch to say they it'll keep them from going deep into the playoffs.

HARK! A voice of reason emerges from the wilderness.....

Actually, just about the only team we didn't give up more than 30 pts to in a game would have been Delawhere? (49-21 I believe..... )

Not entirely. I don't have a dog in this race and I was following him until he completely blew his first paragraph out of the water with his second. App won its first round games by a total of 4 points that year. A worse offense - which he admits they have - means they probably lose them. Let's face it, absent a patent pending quintuple M, the 2007 Apps are one and done.

[HensRock]

Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear enough. I agree that one of your two National Championships in the 1-AA/Championship Subdivision era was D-2. I'm glad we agree that Delaware has one 1-AA/Championship Subdivision National Championship. Helluva team you had in 2003.

Would like nothing better than a chance to even the score against the Mountaineers in the playoffs. If it's in Frisco - even better!

[AshevilleApp]

Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear enough. I agree that one of your two National Championships in the 1-AA/Championship Subdivision era was D-2. I'm glad we agree that Delaware has one 1-AA/Championship Subdivision National Championship. Helluva team you had in 2003.

Would like nothing better than a chance to even the score against the Mountaineers in the playoffs. If it's in Frisco - even better!

Now that we can agree on. A long way to go before then though.

[SpeedkingATL]

Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear enough. I agree that one of your two National Championships in the 1-AA/Championship Subdivision era was D-2. I'm glad we agree that Delaware has one 1-AA/Championship Subdivision National Championship. Helluva team you had in 2003.

Would like nothing better than a chance to even the score against the Mountaineers in the playoffs. If it's in Frisco - even better!

Amen brother!

[Appaholic]

HARK! A voice of reason emerges from the wilderness.....

Actually, just about the only team we didn't give up more than 30 pts to in a game would have been Delawhere? (49-21 I believe..... )

Not entirely. I don't have a dog in this race and I was following him until he completely blew his first paragraph out of the water with his second. App won its first round games by a total of 4 points that year. A worse offense - which he admits they have - means they probably lose them. Let's face it, absent a patent pending quintuple M, the 2007 Apps are one and done.

Maybe against JMU, but save for our Special Teams the next year, JMU suffers an early season home loss. Our 2007 team was good enough to win when needed. Some games the offense bailed them out, some games the defense & some games the other team bailed them out. We've won in spite of hitorically bad special teams (outside of Julian Rauch) during this period. Hell, our Special Teams alone turned a 38-14 convincing win against EWU in playoffs into a 38-35 squeaker....

[Aho Old Guy]

It is relevant. It shows you don't need to have a really good defense to win championships if your offense can move the ball at will. ASU gave up a ton of points in 2007. In conference games that year they gave up over 30 points per game. They also gave up 35 points to EWU and Richmond in the playoffs.

Now is App. State's offense as good as it was in 2007? Nope, but it's a stretch to say they it'll keep them from going deep into the playoffs.

HARK! A voice of reason emerges from the wilderness.....

Actually, just about the only team we didn't give up more than 30 pts to in a game would have been Delawhere? (49-21 I believe..... )

It's not like Landers, Ward and Matt Nichols were slackers at QB when we did battle

I just hope we don't see SCSt again. Malcolm Long is as big as any DL we got. Hitting him has got to be like running into a brick wall.

[AppStateAlumQC]

Not entirely. I don't have a dog in this race and I was following him until he completely blew his first paragraph out of the water with his second. App won its first round games by a total of 4 points that year. A worse offense - which he admits they have - means they probably lose them. Let's face it, absent a patent pending quintuple M, the 2007 Apps are one and done.

Maybe against JMU, but save for our Special Teams the next year, JMU suffers an early season home loss. Our 2007 team was good enough to win when needed. Some games the offense bailed them out, some games the defense & some games the other team bailed them out. We've won in spite of hitorically bad special teams (outside of Julian Rauch) during this period. Hell, our Special Teams alone turned a 38-14 convincing win against EWU in playoffs into a 38-35 squeaker....

Man I remember sitting there in KBS watching that Special Teams meltdown against EWU in the playoffs.
But App survived and advanced and that's all that matters. That team just would not be denied.

I just hope we don't see SCSt again. Malcolm Long is as big as any DL we got. Hitting him has got to be like running into a brick wall.

I hope we don't draw SC State again. Even though I think this year's Bulldog team is weaker than the previous two playoff squads I want to see some new teams come to the Rock. Long is a big QB but they are lacking the skill players that they had in 08 & 09. App would handle them easily this year IMO.