TSN Poll- Week 8

[mayriver]

Somebody please tell me why Liberty is ranked. Does strength of schedule mean anything??

[93henfan]

Somebody please tell me why Liberty is ranked. Does strength of schedule mean anything??

You mean to tell me you think a team that hasn't beaten a team with a winning record and has lost to every team it played with a winning record doesn't deserve a high ranking?

But in all seriousness, yes I am just as puzzled as you are. Liberty doesn't play another team with a winning record in the next four weeks, so they're probably a shoe-in for the playoffs with the Big South auto-bid. Why they need to be artificially ranked at #16 is puzzling.

Robert Morris is really getting the shaft in all of this. If they lose to CCSU and miss the NEC autobid and playoffs with two losses and a victory over Liberty, that will be true BS.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Chattanooga - Better record, combined 7 point difference in losses to current #1 and #2.
JMU - Same record, better wins; then #13 FBS VT and Liberty.
Liberty - Better record, FBS win.
Cal Poly - Better record, better wins (#7 Montana, McNeese State on the road)
UMass - Yes, I know UR has the head to head, but it was a 1-point win at the last second, UMass has the better resume (win over #3).
NAU - Same record, better wins (#13 MSU, SUU)

Like I said, I can see Chattanooga.

We play JMU next week, so it really doesn't matter, we're one spot higher. We've won 2 straight, they've lost 2 straight.

Liberty - if you're going to use the wins argument for the other teams, who have they beat? Are you really ready to roll out the Ball State argument?

Cal Poly - I could see an argument here.

Umass - we beat them and they have the same record as us. Most recently they got shellacked. Recency has to be worth something in these polls, no?

NAU - is Western New Mexico a Division 1 school? If not, they don't have the same record as Richmond.

Well if JMU beats Richmond by more than 3, I can make a better case for Liberty (who lost to JMU by 3). And I do think JMU will beat Richmond by more than 3.

UMass also hung with Michigan until the end. You want to use recency and quality of teams you beat? Yeah, you beat TOWSON. Then there's that quality CCU win on your resume. I mean, they lost to Towson (by 2 in OT), and only have wins against Delaware State and PC! Yes, they count as D-I, but they're horrible teams. NAU's Western New Mexico and ISU are Richmond's CCU and DSU. I still give the edge to NAU, who throttled a top-10 MSU.

[aceinthehole]

Robert Morris is really getting the shaft in all of this. If they lose to CCSU and miss the NEC autobid and playoffs with two losses and a victory over Liberty, that will be true BS.

I agree, RMU has been getting the shaft for about 3 weeks now. Not only does the lack of a ranking hurt RMU's profile, it hurts the profile of all their NEC opponents. This week, Duquense should be hosting a top-25 team at Rooney Field. CCSU deserves that opportunity (if RMU were to win this week) to get into the polls with a win over RMU in 2 weeks.

BCU jumped into the top-25 simply for beating a ranked SCSU. Not to mention SCSU, hasn't fallen out of the top -25 despite their weak resume. So why shouldn't CCSU should be in that same position to jump into the polls with a win overa top-25 RMU in 2 weeks? The obvious exclusion of a NEC team by TSN voters should invalidate the entire poll. The politics behind it is clear to most of us informed followers.

[scsudawg2007]

Robert Morris is really getting the shaft in all of this. If they lose to CCSU and miss the NEC autobid and playoffs with two losses and a victory over Liberty, that will be true BS.

I agree, RMU has been getting the shaft for about 3 weeks now. Not only does the lack of a ranking hurt RMU's profile, it hurts the profile of all their NEC opponents. This week, Duquense should be hosting a top-25 team at Rooney Field. CCSU deserves that opportunity (if RMU were to win this week) to get into the polls with a win over RMU in 2 weeks.

BCU jumped into the top-25 simply for beating a ranked SCSU. Not to mention SCSU, hasn't fallen out of the top -25 despite their weak resume. So why shouldn't CCSU should be in that same position to jump into the polls with a win overa top-25 RMU in 2 weeks? The obvious exclusion of a NEC team by TSN voters should invalidate the entire poll. The politics behind it is clear to most of us informed followers.

BCU was ranked befor they played SCSU...just thought you should know that they just didn't jump in the polls as you just proclaimed...

[PenthouseClosedEnd]

Like I said, I can see Chattanooga.

We play JMU next week, so it really doesn't matter, we're one spot higher. We've won 2 straight, they've lost 2 straight.

Liberty - if you're going to use the wins argument for the other teams, who have they beat? Are you really ready to roll out the Ball State argument?

Cal Poly - I could see an argument here.

Umass - we beat them and they have the same record as us. Most recently they got shellacked. Recency has to be worth something in these polls, no?

NAU - is Western New Mexico a Division 1 school? If not, they don't have the same record as Richmond.

Well if JMU beats Richmond by more than 3, I can make a better case for Liberty (who lost to JMU by 3). And I do think JMU will beat Richmond by more than 3.

UMass also hung with Michigan until the end. You want to use recency and quality of teams you beat? Yeah, you beat TOWSON. Then there's that quality CCU win on your resume. I mean, they lost to Towson (by 2 in OT), and only have wins against Delaware State and PC! Yes, they count as D-I, but they're horrible teams. NAU's Western New Mexico and ISU are Richmond's CCU and DSU. I still give the edge to NAU, who throttled a top-10 MSU.

Regarding your silly initial argument with conjecture about future results ... if the transitive property worked, a few Big Sky schools besides Montana would have done something in the NCAA playoffs by now. By the way, polls are based on what has happened ... not what might happen in the future.

With the Umass argument, you are talking yourself in circles. We beat them 9 days ago and they got rolled last week. If the transitive property works, how would we have done at Michigan (with a Quarterback)?

Western New Mexico is not a D-1 team, so NAU does not have the same record. What does that have to do with Towson? Nothing. Towson would be a mid-pack team in the Big Sky. Who the hell cares who Towson and CCU played? Do I really have pull out the schedules of the NAU opponents including Western New Mexico?

We can re-visit this again in December. Maybe you'll be lucky enough to get a 7-4 CAA team like Richmond in the Tampax Dome the first weekend of December and you'll get an opportunity to see how overrated we are.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Well if JMU beats Richmond by more than 3, I can make a better case for Liberty (who lost to JMU by 3). And I do think JMU will beat Richmond by more than 3.

UMass also hung with Michigan until the end. You want to use recency and quality of teams you beat? Yeah, you beat TOWSON. Then there's that quality CCU win on your resume. I mean, they lost to Towson (by 2 in OT), and only have wins against Delaware State and PC! Yes, they count as D-I, but they're horrible teams. NAU's Western New Mexico and ISU are Richmond's CCU and DSU. I still give the edge to NAU, who throttled a top-10 MSU.

Regarding your silly initial argument with conjecture about future results ... if the transitive property worked, a few Big Sky schools besides Montana would have done something in the NCAA playoffs by now. By the way, polls are based on what has happened ... not what might happen in the future.

With the Umass argument, you are talking yourself in circles. We beat them 9 days ago and they got rolled last week. If the transitive property works, how would we have done at Michigan (with a Quarterback)?

Western New Mexico is not a D-1 team, so NAU does not have the same record. What does that have to do with Towson? Nothing. Towson would be a mid-pack team in the Big Sky. Who the hell cares who Towson and CCU played? Do I really have pull out the schedules of the NAU opponents including Western New Mexico?

We can re-visit this again in December. Maybe you'll be lucky enough to get a 7-4 CAA team like Richmond in the Tampax Dome the first weekend of December and you'll get an opportunity to see how overrated we are.

Man I hope we get a CAA team here out West. Then you'll find out what offense is all about. Weber was overrated last year and this year. Yeah we lost to them last year... every team has bad games. One thing I will guarantee... Richmond will go 5-6 this year.

EDIT: And last I checked, you got beat pretty soundly by Virginia, when you had Corp playing. Michigan would pound Virgina.

[PenthouseClosedEnd]

Man I hope we get a CAA team here out West. Then you'll find out what offense is all about. Weber was overrated last year and this year. Yeah we lost to them last year... every team has bad games. One thing I will guarantee... Richmond will go 5-6 this year.

Be prepared to come back and eat your crow later.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Man I hope we get a CAA team here out West. Then you'll find out what offense is all about. Weber was overrated last year and this year. Yeah we lost to them last year... every team has bad games. One thing I will guarantee... Richmond will go 5-6 this year.

Be prepared to come back and eat your crow later.

I'll be here if I'm wrong, but I'm not going to be.

[PenthouseClosedEnd]

Be prepared to come back and eat your crow later.

I'll be here if I'm wrong, but I'm not going to be.

So are you going to be here or not?

[Screamin_Eagle174]

I'll be here, and I'm not going to be eating crow; you are.

[clenz]

Somebody please tell me why Liberty is ranked. Does strength of schedule mean anything??

You mean to tell me you think a team that hasn't beaten a team with a winning record and has lost to every team it played with a winning record doesn't deserve a high ranking?

But in all seriousness, yes I am just as puzzled as you are. Liberty doesn't play another team with a winning record in the next four weeks, so they're probably a shoe-in for the playoffs with the Big South auto-bid. Why they need to be artificially ranked at #16 is puzzling.

Robert Morris is really getting the shaft in all of this. If they lose to CCSU and miss the NEC autobid and playoffs with two losses and a victory over Liberty, that will be true BS.

This must be the exact reason every time I've called Liberty fans on their rankings of teams like Jacksonville, but not teams like UNI...or other teams who have actually played a schedule...their only reasoning is "Well, they win". Yeah, give anyone else those schedules and they'd be undefeated too.

Liberty gets to pad their win count the rest of the season and then scream about disrespect when they get sent to a first round game that the winner gets the a top seed....yet the opponents they've played combined record is 18-36. So far they've played 2 teams with winning records (Robert Morris and JMU) and lost to both. Their remaining schedule sets up:
@ Presbyterian 1-6...1 win in a couple years
vs Gardner-Webb 3-4
@Coastal Carolina 2-5
vs Stony Brook 3-4

That gives their opponents a combined total record, as of 10/25 27-55.

This is the same issue people have with teams like Boise State...you don't play anyone. I get it, your conference sucks balls, but you had a chance to beat two teams that would get major recognition for as of now and you lost both.


I don't care Ball State is FBS...they wouldn't have a winning record in the CAA, SoCon, Big Sky, or MVFC.

[kalm]

Well if JMU beats Richmond by more than 3, I can make a better case for Liberty (who lost to JMU by 3). And I do think JMU will beat Richmond by more than 3.

UMass also hung with Michigan until the end. You want to use recency and quality of teams you beat? Yeah, you beat TOWSON. Then there's that quality CCU win on your resume. I mean, they lost to Towson (by 2 in OT), and only have wins against Delaware State and PC! Yes, they count as D-I, but they're horrible teams. NAU's Western New Mexico and ISU are Richmond's CCU and DSU. I still give the edge to NAU, who throttled a top-10 MSU.

Regarding your silly initial argument with conjecture about future results ... if the transitive property worked, a few Big Sky schools besides Montana would have done something in the NCAA playoffs by now. By the way, polls are based on what has happened ... not what might happen in the future.

With the Umass argument, you are talking yourself in circles. We beat them 9 days ago and they got rolled last week. If the transitive property works, how would we have done at Michigan (with a Quarterback)?

Western New Mexico is not a D-1 team, so NAU does not have the same record. What does that have to do with Towson? Nothing. Towson would be a mid-pack team in the Big Sky. Who the hell cares who Towson and CCU played? Do I really have pull out the schedules of the NAU opponents including Western New Mexico?

We can re-visit this again in December. Maybe you'll be lucky enough to get a 7-4 CAA team like Richmond in the Tampax Dome the first weekend of December and you'll get an opportunity to see how overrated we are.

As of last week, NAU was GPI #10 and Sagarin #2. Richmond was GPI #28 and Sagarin #30. And the resume's are pretty much identical.

Perfectly reasonable to place NAU ahead and BSC hating noted.

[89Hen]

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[bjtheflamesfan]

@ Aceinthehole: I also agree that RMU should be ranked but I will also say that once the Colonials are ranked finally, if they go out and get whacked in their next game I hope we dont here from you for quite some time because you were wailing about CCSU and Albany not getting any love and then as soon as they do...they both lose...just something to consider

[aceinthehole]

@ Aceinthehole: I also agree that RMU should be ranked but I will also say that once the Colonials are ranked finally, if they go out and get whacked in their next game I hope we dont here from you for quite some time because you were wailing about CCSU and Albany not getting any love and then as soon as they do...they both lose...just something to consider

No, I'm missing your point.

RMU has deserved to be ranked for about the last 2-3 weeks. If they lose to Duquense or CCSU, of course it will have an effect on their resume, but so what. That doesn't mean they don't deserve the ranking now. They are getting screwed and everyone knows it. If they lose a game someone will say, 'I told you so' but that is irrelavent.

Albany is a good team that has lost to better teams (Duq, RMU, & CCSU). Top-25 teams lose all the time, and yet some remain ranked - Liberty and SCSU. Yes, CCSU has lost to a top-10 UNH and at YSU. While the scores could have been closer in both games, both losses are no worse than the 2 losses Liberty has right now!

Liberty got whacked 2 games in a row this year while ranked - at unranked RMU and at ranked JMU - yet many think the Flames are still on the cusp of a top-20 ranking. Why?

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Man I hope we get a CAA team here out West. Then you'll find out what offense is all about. Weber was overrated last year and this year. Yeah we lost to them last year... every team has bad games. One thing I will guarantee... Richmond will go 5-6 this year.

Be prepared to come back and eat your crow later.

28-7.

[kalm]

Be prepared to come back and eat your crow later.

28-7.