Analyzing the WAC

[ewu2000]

Looks like the WAC may be trying to not only go after Montana, but Denver and Seattle.

"The WAC is expected to move on expansion sooner than later, even with the decision by Mountain West-bound Fresno State and Nevada to stay put for another season in exchange for a lesser exit fee.

For the WAC to make a significant step, the league must convince Montana to join for 2012-13. The WAC can land Denver and/or Seattle and has Texas-San Antonio and Texas State lined up and ready to accept a bid. "


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They still need to convince Montana!

[grizcountry420]

Denver and Seattle??? They don't even have a football program. Why would the WAC want to invite them?

[Big McLargehuge]

Denver and Seattle??? They don't even have a football program. Why would the WAC want to invite them?

Non-football members.

[webfan]

Denver and Seattle??? They don't even have a football program. Why would the WAC want to invite them?

Non-football members.

Obviously the WAC is desperate.

[kalm]

Non-football members.

Obviously the WAC is desperate.

Nothing better than joining a desperate conference with an uncertain future.

[BigSkyBears]

Obviously the WAC is desperate.

Nothing better than joining a desperate conference with an uncertain future.

Yup! Have fun Montana!!!

[SuperHornet]

Non-football members.

Obviously the WAC is desperate.

That the WAC is desperate is likely true. But that has NOTHING to do with taking associates. They already have a number of associate members, including Sac State.

Or did you forget that?

[CPAlum]

Obviously the WAC is desperate.

That the WAC is desperate is likely true. But that has NOTHING to do with taking associates. They already have a number of associate members, including Sac State.

Or did you forget that?

I'd say that is apples and oranges. They are desperate for sure. Montana is there best opportunity and I for one am not sure that is gonna happen. Right now they are talking about one decent ( yes they kicked our butts this year) FCS program 2 teams without football and one team who has yet to take a snap in an actual game. Desperate fir sure.

[JALMOND]

OK, let's analyze this...

2010--WAC Football
1. Boise State--to Mountain West next year
2. Nevada
3. Fresno State
4. Utah State
5. Hawaii
6. Idaho
7. Louisiana Tech
8. New Mexico State
9. San Jose State

2011--Football as of now
1. Nevada--to Mountain West next year
2. Fresno State--to Mountain West next year
3. Utah State
4. Hawaii
5. Idaho
6. Louisiana Tech
7. New Mexico State
8. San Jose State

2012--Football, speculated
1. Utah State--to Mountain West??
2. Hawaii--to Independant??
3. Idaho
4. Louisiana Tech--to CUSA??
5. New Mexico State--to Mountain West or CUSA??
6. San Jose State
7. Texas State
8. TX-San Antonio

2013--Football
1. Idaho
2. San Jose State
3. Texas State
4. TX-San Antonio

Compare to a possible Big Sky in 2013
1. Montana
2. Montana State
3. Eastern Washington
4. Portland State
5. Cal Poly
6. UC-Davis
7. Northern Arizona
8. Weber State
9. Southern Utah
10. Northern Colorado
11. Sacramento State
12. Central Washington

So what makes more sense?

[DJH]

You should anal-ize the WAC. Cuz its going to be a shit conference.

[Silenoz]

Nothing better than joining a desperate conference with an uncertain future.

Yup! Have fun Montana!!!

We'll miss you!


...well not you so much...



Or EWU for that matter...



Plus I kinda hate MSU...



F#$k Weber too!


In fact all of you! Except NAU, they're cool

[griz37]

Obviously the WAC is desperate.

Nothing better than joining a desperate conference with an uncertain future.

Kind of like the Dakotas joining the Big Sky?

[dbackjon]

Nothing better than joining a desperate conference with an uncertain future.

Kind of like the Dakotas joining the Big Sky?

Big Sky will still be a good conference, just like it was when better programs than Montana left

[mlbowl]

Wow...Did I miss something in my Thursday slumber?...is Montana gone from the Sky? ... Btw, jon, please tell me which program was better than Montana?


Boise St. - 1 national title
Nevada - 0
Idaho - 0

Wait...should I bring up playoff appearances...How about Conference titles?

[EWURanger]

Wow...Did I miss something in my Thursday slumber?...is Montana gone from the Sky? ... Btw, jon, please tell me which program was better than Montana?


Boise St. - 1 national title
Nevada - 0
Idaho - 0

Wait...should I bring up playoff appearances...How about Conference titles?

To be fair, a lot of Montana's success happened after Nevada, BSU, and Idaho left the Big Sky. Things were a little different when you had to get past those three to win a conference title, or even make it to the play-offs.

[grizzaholic]

Wow...Did I miss something in my Thursday slumber?...is Montana gone from the Sky? ... Btw, jon, please tell me which program was better than Montana?


Boise St. - 1 national title
Nevada - 0
Idaho - 0

Wait...should I bring up playoff appearances...How about Conference titles?

To be fair, a lot of Montana's success happened after Nevada, BSU, and Idaho left the Big Sky. Things were a little different when you had to get past those three to win a conference title, or even make it to the play-offs.

And if you didn't already know...Papa Bear didn't get the pieces until 93ish....

[mlbowl]

Wow...Did I miss something in my Thursday slumber?...is Montana gone from the Sky? ... Btw, jon, please tell me which program was better than Montana?


Boise St. - 1 national title
Nevada - 0
Idaho - 0

Wait...should I bring up playoff appearances...How about Conference titles?

To be fair, a lot of Montana's success happened after Nevada, BSU, and Idaho left the Big Sky. Things were a little different when you had to get past those three to win a conference title, or even make it to the play-offs.

Ranger...I know it was a different Sky back then...the point is, IF/when Montana moves up, it will have been the most successful program the Big Sky has ever known.

[mainejeff]

Are you guys STILL talking about the WAC???? .......that conference is D-E-A-D!

[EWURanger]

To be fair, a lot of Montana's success happened after Nevada, BSU, and Idaho left the Big Sky. Things were a little different when you had to get past those three to win a conference title, or even make it to the play-offs.

Ranger...I know it was a different Sky back then...the point is, IF/when Montana moves up, it will have been the most successful program the Big Sky has ever known.

Yep, point taken.

[EWURanger]

To be fair, a lot of Montana's success happened after Nevada, BSU, and Idaho left the Big Sky. Things were a little different when you had to get past those three to win a conference title, or even make it to the play-offs.

And if you didn't already know...Papa Bear didn't get the pieces until 93ish....

I know all about it. But that's sort of irrelevant to the point I was making - or the original point. While I will admit that even BSU did not have anywhere near the amount of success that Montana has enjoyed at the FCS level, I will caviat that by saying that BSU, UI, and Nevada's departure did help to facilitate some of that success. I'm not saying Montana didn't have the tools, even back then - but what I am saying is that it was a tougher conference to win in those days. I don't even think that's arguable.

[Herky]

OK, let's analyze this...

2010--WAC Football
1. Boise State--to Mountain West next year
2. Nevada
3. Fresno State
4. Utah State
5. Hawaii
6. Idaho
7. Louisiana Tech
8. New Mexico State
9. San Jose State

2011--Football as of now
1. Nevada--to Mountain West next year
2. Fresno State--to Mountain West next year
3. Utah State
4. Hawaii
5. Idaho
6. Louisiana Tech
7. New Mexico State
8. San Jose State

2012--Football, speculated
1. Utah State--to Mountain West??
2. Hawaii--to Independant??
3. Idaho
4. Louisiana Tech--to CUSA??
5. New Mexico State--to Mountain West or CUSA??
6. San Jose State
7. Texas State
8. TX-San Antonio

2013--Football
1. Idaho
2. San Jose State
3. Texas State
4. TX-San Antonio

Compare to a possible Big Sky in 2013
1. Montana
2. Montana State
3. Eastern Washington
4. Portland State
5. Cal Poly
6. UC-Davis
7. Northern Arizona
8. Weber State
9. Southern Utah
10. Northern Colorado
11. Sacramento State
12. Central Washington
So what makes more sense?

In that scenario, it doesnt make any sense to even consider the WAC. The BSC would be much better IMO.

[GtFllsGriz]

I agree that the WAC will be a skeleton of what they once were for awhile and that adding new members to the Big Sky is a strong move since the BSC is nothing like what it was with Boise, Idaho and Nevada.

But answer me this.....will the FCS still have Delaware, App State, Geo Southern, the CAA and many other strong teams aournd in five years or will it be made up of teams that average less then 8000 fans per game?

For me the discussion is not about what each conference will be next year, but what they will be in five or ten years.

[nwFL Griz]

OK, let's analyze this...

2012--Football, speculated speculated by who...you?
1. Utah State--to Mountain West??
2. Hawaii--to Independant??
3. Idaho
4. Louisiana Tech--to CUSA??
5. New Mexico State--to Mountain West or CUSA??
6. San Jose State
7. Texas State
8. TX-San Antonio

This speculated look of the WAC may be fun for you, but is HIGHLY unlikely. Why on earth would the MWC take Utah St? Or would CUSA take LaTech or NMSU? Hawaii going independant is also just as unlikely, as they would have to do it for all sports. Some say the Big West would take them for everything but football. I doubt that the bus league known as the Big West would add a school that would tremendously increase everyone's travel costs.

The only way any of that happens is if there is a major shift in conference alignments, I'm talking dissolution of conference type re-alignment. While that is possible, it is unlikely.

You did a good job of taking tons of message board rumors and presenting it as if it were actually on somebody important's radar.

I really don't care where the Griz go (i'll still be a fan), but honesty in the debate is important.

[webfan]

The MWC has already invited Utah State. It's just a matter of time.

[Herky]

OK, let's analyze this...

2012--Football, speculated speculated by who...you?
1. Utah State--to Mountain West??
2. Hawaii--to Independant??
3. Idaho
4. Louisiana Tech--to CUSA??
5. New Mexico State--to Mountain West or CUSA??
6. San Jose State
7. Texas State
8. TX-San Antonio

This speculated look of the WAC may be fun for you, but is HIGHLY unlikely. Why on earth would the MWC take Utah St? Or would CUSA take LaTech or NMSU? Hawaii going independant is also just as unlikely, as they would have to do it for all sports. Some say the Big West would take them for everything but football. I doubt that the bus league known as the Big West would add a school that would tremendously increase everyone's travel costs.

The only way any of that happens is if there is a major shift in conference alignments, I'm talking dissolution of conference type re-alignment. While that is possible, it is unlikely.

You did a good job of taking tons of message board rumors and presenting it as if it were actually on somebody important's radar.

I really don't care where the Griz go (i'll still be a fan), but honesty in the debate is important.

Utah State was invited BEFORE nevada and Fresno but turned the offer down. Utah State has said, since Nevada and Fresno accepted, that the MWC now looks like it would be a good fit. The MWC, acording to numerous news sources, has been in talks with Utah State.