native wrote:
Even if the Grizz win the Montana Bowl, Montana State would still have the better resume, having beaten both Eastern Washington and Weber State while suffering only two FCS losses.
On the other hand, Montana would have three FCS losses, to EWU, WSU, and Cal Poly.
Both teams struggled on the road. MSU's lone FCS loss to date was suffered at Northern Arizona, and struggled into overtime before prevailing over Sac State and Idaho State. Montana met all three of its losses in away games and scraped by Portland State by two points.
I don't agree with this. MSU would have one less FCS loss, but they lost to an FBS team a lot of FCS teams would beat (Wazzu). Also, Drake is no better (probably worse) than North Dakota.
The two would have equal resumes with Montana's head-to-head win providing the edge. Both teams will get in if the Griz win, though, so it doesn't really matter.
native wrote:
Even if the Grizz win the Montana Bowl, Montana State would still have the better resume, having beaten both Eastern Washington and Weber State while suffering only two FCS losses.
On the other hand, Montana would have three FCS losses, to EWU, WSU, and Cal Poly.
Both teams struggled on the road. MSU's lone FCS loss to date was suffered at Northern Arizona, and struggled into overtime before prevailing over Sac State and Idaho State. Montana met all three of its losses in away games and scraped by Portland State by two points.
I don't agree with this. MSU would have one less FCS loss, but they lost to an FBS team a lot of FCS teams would beat (Wazzu). Also, Drake is no better (probably worse) than North Dakota.
The two would have equal resumes with Montana's head-to-head win providing the edge. Both teams will get in if the Griz win, though, so it doesn't really matter.
This. If UM wins, there are at least 3 BCS teams in the field.
bluehenbillk wrote:UD & W&M, the 2 best CAA teams meeting in the quarters?
happens to other conferences all the time. should happen to the CAA now and then too.
His point is the top 2 CAA teams meet in the quarters of one bracket while the #3 & #4 teams from the CAA are in the opposite bracket. CAA teams will meet; but the seeding will try to keep the potential match ups as 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3.
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JayJ79 wrote:
happens to other conferences all the time. should happen to the CAA now and then too.
His point is the top 2 CAA teams meet in the quarters of one bracket while the #3 & #4 teams from the CAA are in the opposite bracket. CAA teams will meet; but the seeding will try to keep the potential match ups as 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3.
seeding is only guaranteed for the top 5 teams in the whole bracket.
jd of de wrote:
His point is the top 2 CAA teams meet in the quarters of one bracket while the #3 & #4 teams from the CAA are in the opposite bracket. CAA teams will meet; but the seeding will try to keep the potential match ups as 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3.
seeding is only guaranteed for the top 5 teams in the whole bracket.
Guaranteed yes. But they hold to the spirit 1-4 & 2-3. The geography being similar, UMass get placed in UD bracket before W&M does.
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native wrote:
Even if the Grizz win the Montana Bowl, Montana State would still have the better resume, having beaten both Eastern Washington and Weber State while suffering only two FCS losses.
On the other hand, Montana would have three FCS losses, to EWU, WSU, and Cal Poly.
Both teams struggled on the road. MSU's lone FCS loss to date was suffered at Northern Arizona, and struggled into overtime before prevailing over Sac State and Idaho State. Montana met all three of its losses in away games and scraped by Portland State by two points.
I don't agree with this. MSU would have one less FCS loss, but they lost to an FBS team a lot of FCS teams would beat (Wazzu). Also, Drake is no better (probably worse) than North Dakota.
The two would have equal resumes with Montana's head-to-head win providing the edge. Both teams will get in if the Griz win, though, so it doesn't really matter.
At 8-3, both teams will deserve to get in. The resumes will be mighty close with a Montana win, but not quite equal IMO. Drake is indeed probably worse than North Dakota, but overall, Sagarin ranks the Bobcat schedule 5 places higher than the Grizz Schedule. We'll never know if Montana might have performed better against Wazzu, because Montana avoids FBS matchups.
I do not quibble with the Montana formula for program success, which is consistently one of top in the nation. But this year, the only way the Grizz can exceed Montana State is to go deeper in the playoffs.
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Mvemjsunpx wrote:
I don't agree with this. MSU would have one less FCS loss, but they lost to an FBS team a lot of FCS teams would beat (Wazzu). Also, Drake is no better (probably worse) than North Dakota.
The two would have equal resumes with Montana's head-to-head win providing the edge. Both teams will get in if the Griz win, though, so it doesn't really matter.
At 8-3, both teams will deserve to get in. The resumes will be mighty close with a Montana win, but not quite equal IMO. Drake is indeed probably worse than North Dakota, but overall, Sagarin ranks the Bobcat schedule 5 places higher than the Grizz Schedule. We'll never know if Montana might have performed better against Wazzu, because Montana avoids FBS matchups.
I do not quibble with the Montana formula for program success, which is consistently one of top in the nation. But this year, the only way the Grizz can exceed Montana State is to go deeper in the playoffs.
..and with Montana opening up against Tennessee next year they need all the practice thay can get...
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native wrote:
At 8-3, both teams will deserve to get in. The resumes will be mighty close with a Montana win, but not quite equal IMO. Drake is indeed probably worse than North Dakota, but overall, Sagarin ranks the Bobcat schedule 5 places higher than the Grizz Schedule. We'll never know if Montana might have performed better against Wazzu, because Montana avoids FBS matchups.
I do not quibble with the Montana formula for program success, which is consistently one of top in the nation. But this year, the only way the Grizz can exceed Montana State is to go deeper in the playoffs.
..and with Montana opening up against Tennessee next year they need all the practice thay can get...
No joke? Good luck against the Vols!
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Mvemjsunpx wrote:
I don't agree with this. MSU would have one less FCS loss, but they lost to an FBS team a lot of FCS teams would beat (Wazzu). Also, Drake is no better (probably worse) than North Dakota.
The two would have equal resumes with Montana's head-to-head win providing the edge. Both teams will get in if the Griz win, though, so it doesn't really matter.
At 8-3, both teams will deserve to get in. The resumes will be mighty close with a Montana win, but not quite equal IMO. Drake is indeed probably worse than North Dakota, but overall, Sagarin ranks the Bobcat schedule 5 places higher than the Grizz Schedule. We'll never know if Montana might have performed better against Wazzu, because Montana avoids FBS matchups.
I do not quibble with the Montana formula for program success, which is consistently one of top in the nation. But this year, the only way the Grizz can exceed Montana State is to go deeper in the playoffs.
Who cares about strength of schedule, that is what is used to compare two teams that have not played each other. If Montana wins and they are both 8-3, then Montana has a better resume because they won head to head.
native wrote:
At 8-3, both teams will deserve to get in. The resumes will be mighty close with a Montana win, but not quite equal IMO. Drake is indeed probably worse than North Dakota, but overall, Sagarin ranks the Bobcat schedule 5 places higher than the Grizz Schedule. We'll never know if Montana might have performed better against Wazzu, because Montana avoids FBS matchups.
I do not quibble with the Montana formula for program success, which is consistently one of top in the nation. But this year, the only way the Grizz can exceed Montana State is to go deeper in the playoffs.
Who cares about strength of schedule, that is what is used to compare two teams that have not played each other. If Montana wins and they are both 8-3, then Montana has a better resume because they won head to head.
So by that notion, JMU is better than VaTech?
I buy into the head-to-head almost as much as anyone, but SOS does need to be considered as well.
Chemhen wrote:You think the committee will try to pair UD and UNH down the line (if UNH gets in), in light of the fact that they haven't played since 2007?
if UNH gets in, they have to play UNI within the first few rounds. it's in the rulebook.
