IF Auburn forfeits all games, does Chatty get the win?

[dbackjon]

What happens? Is it still a loss for Chatty officially, or a win?

[89Hen]

Voided.

[dbackjon]

Voided.

So no win or loss?

[89Hen]

Voided.

So no win or loss?

At least in the eyes of the selection committee.

[Skjellyfetti]

It's like the game never happened for Auburn as far as the record books are concerned. For Chattanooga, it stays a loss.

[JSU02]

It's like the game never happened for Auburn as far as the record books are concerned. For Chattanooga, it stays a loss.

True, but that is no reason to hope that it doesn't happen anyway.

If only half of the rumors that are going around are true, this will be the biggest scandal in the HISTORY of college sports by far. Not only could all of Auburn's wins this season be wiped away, Auburn's accreditation from the SACS could be wiped away, causing its SEC and NCAA memberships to get wiped away.

[Skjellyfetti]

If only half of the rumors that are going around are true, this will be the biggest scandal in the HISTORY of college sports by far. Not only could all of Auburn's wins this season be wiped away, Auburn's accreditation from the SACS could be wiped away, causing its SEC and NCAA memberships to get wiped away.

I agree, man. It could be a couple years before it all comes out... but, it's going to be interesting watching it unfold.

Have you seen the tigerdroppings thread?

[bandl]

What's the latest goings-on with Cam/Auburn? I haven't been paying much attention this week.

[JSU02]

If only half of the rumors that are going around are true, this will be the biggest scandal in the HISTORY of college sports by far. Not only could all of Auburn's wins this season be wiped away, Auburn's accreditation from the SACS could be wiped away, causing its SEC and NCAA memberships to get wiped away.

I agree, man. It could be a couple years before it all comes out... but, it's going to be interesting watching it unfold.

Have you seen the tigerdroppings thread?

OMG YES! I should get a certificate of completion for reading that thing.

Yesterday while reading around on facebook I realized that I know Jody Wright from undergrad (He played at JaxState) and that got me interested in the story. Within about 5 minutes a friend forwarded me the tigerdroppings post and I was glued to it all afternoon. This is gonna make a great movie!

[dbackjon]

Link to said thread?

[JSU02]

What's the latest goings-on with Cam/Auburn? I haven't been paying much attention this week.

As the Plains Burn... This thread starts off with a good summary of characters.
http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/mess ... p=22778676" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


But this is the long read http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/mess ... p=22723259" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Skjellyfetti]

Link to said thread?

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/mess ... p=22778676" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Long as crap. Here's the juice:

Before the actual events and behind the scene motivations of CamGate can be fully understood, one needs to comprehend the inner workings of Alabama’s political system and the players pulling the strings. The course of events leading up to the wire taps, investigations, and ultimate indictments are starting to surface and are becoming VERY VERY interesting……

1st is an Article in the Tuskegee News dated October 21st. In short, the writer suggests a lobbying/consulting group has been used by the Auburn Athletic Foundation to launder cash ultimately ending up in the hands of players/player families. Robert Geddie was a partner in the firm Fine-Geddie until his indictment and arrest in October. According to the Department of Justice, (Geddie) was nailed for allegedly working with the state’s major gambling interests to influence and/or buying votes favoring proposed gambling houses. The indictment was based primarily on intercepts (wire taps) of cell phone and land-line conversations with those now rumored to have facilitated the PFP scheme.

This is an Amazing Read.
http://www.thetuskegeenews.com/articles ... 017322.txt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Adding fuel to the fire are the ties between former Colonial Bank Chairman Bobby Lowder (Bank of $25Billion failed earlier this year), Milton McGregor (Dog Track, Bingo, and Casino Owner), and Pat Dye (former AU Football Coach). These were the three largest shareholders of the now defunct Colonial BancGroup, a mortgage brokerage, commercial banking, and mortgage warehousing firm based in Montgomery, Al. McGregor was indicted about the same time as Geddie. Wire-taps were the backbone behind the indictments, but it has been speculated by most the FBI overheard conversations between McGergor, Rane, Dye, and coaches talking about the PFP schemes that are speculated at Auburn. What most are saying is that the FBI just stumbled into the PFP planning while gathering the voter fraud and political corruption evidence. Notice how the 1st person the FBI supposedly questioned regarding Cam and his Father was John Bond. Next, they’re going to Kenny Rodgers (this Tuesday). Speculation is the Feds are gathering the bits and pieces from the MSU side which can be proven or substantiated with the wire tap tapes they have between all of these AU Boosters, and then are going to the AU side corner those suspects either in perjured testimony, or extortion charges relating to this unintended evidence. Once they are able to turn the smaller players, the FBI will turn the pleas against the real targets, in very much the same fashion as the Edwin Edwards and William Jefferson Cases.

Think about it for a minute. The FBI could care less about college football unless it involves organized gambling or extortion. They are after evidence of Voter Influence, mis-appropriation of Bank Funds, extortion, embezzlement, the ultimate goal being to gain as many assets as possible to offset the FDIC losses incurred from the Colonial failure, while punishing those behind the schemes.

Remember TMZ’s report and why the FBI was involved in the 1st place. They implied that the FBI is more interested in efforts to shop players around, not just a single player (extortion). This was again confirmed Friday, November 12th when John Bond stated the reason for the FBI’s questioning was that "They don't want people selling kids to colleges." This ties into the AgentGate BS all of the governing bodies came unglued about earlier this summer. One editorial out of Mobile included this little gem the other day - With Milton McGregor involved in this as an Auburn booster watch out. The FBI has listened to every phone conversation from his office in the past year. He is the dirtiest multi-millionaire in Alabama.

Fast forward to this past Thursday, November 11th. The NCAA meets with Auburn officials supposedly to discuss the previous two weeks news reports. Upon conclusion of that meeting, the “We’ve done absolutely nothing wrong, Cam is Innocent, this is a Witch Hunt” being spewed by both the University and the Athletic Department suddenly changed to “No Comment.” Auburn quickly lawyered up with an experienced NCAA Compliance Firm. They also hired a longtime NCAA investigator which acted as a consultant when Albert Means and Alabama went down in 2001-2002. What is interesting here is the relationship between McGregor, Geddie (Lobbyist), and an election for State Supreme Court Judge. Here’s what was posted on BOL about the relationships between everyone.

Again, this thing now goes way beyond PFP schemes, and it appears the FED’s goal is to build the ultimate case against Bobby Lowder. Here is what is being said about Lowder’s tie in to all of this.

This goes way beyond Cam. They say the FBI, while monitoring the Bingo mess in Montgomery and also investigating the misappropriation of TARP funds by Colonial Bank, uncovered many, many things. Such things include guaranteed winning slot machines for AU players at Milt’s (Colonial Board member, AU Booster) Casino, unmarked ATM cards issued to AU players from Colonial Bank (Bobby Lowder-AU Board Member and Booster; Pat Dye-Colonial Board member, AU employee and Booster), forgiven loans to families, friends, donors, etc.

If true, big time jail time, loss of SACS accreditation which means expulsion from the SEC, huge financial implications for AU, removal of Dye’s name from the field and so on.

This also explains why the AU President wanted to sit Cam last Saturday, but was overridden by Lowder, Dye, Jacobs, Rane and McGregor

The FBI must have overheard discussions about players on tape while the FBI was building their case against those arrested. It was reported the Department of Justice in July began notifying various politicians, reporters, lobbyists and others that their conversations may have been picked up during wire-taps. The phone taps occurred during a 13 Month period starting mid-2009, just about the same time as the total collapse of Colonial BancGroup was taking place. Late 2009 – early 2010 would have been when recruiting was at it’s height, and money and deals (if this pay for play scheme was in fact in full operation) had to have been discussed every day. This was also just before the Legislative Session would have been in discussions/ negotiations regarding Sweet Home Alabama (Res 44), the states gambling and casino bill.

Here is another poster from “Tidesports”, the Bama Scout.com affiliate similar to “Tiger Rag”…

"I previously posted an unsubstantiated rumor I read somewhere that Milton McGregor, the owner of Victoryland dog track, and according to recent articles an Auburn BOT member, was involved in the Newton saga as the conduit for the cash. According to the story, the FBI had wire-taps of McGregor because of this gambling conspiracy, and on those wire taps were conversations that took place between McGregor and Cecil Newton. The timeline fits as the FBI arrested McGregor in October, 2010 and according to MSU, the Cam shopping didn't start until late November, 2009. Is McGregor stupid enough to continue his role in the pay for play deal for Auburn even after he knew the Feds were watching? I don't know. But it's funny that you find this article after I saw the allegation that Milton McGregor was the money man for Auburn. It would be real convenient and easy to launder money and hide it with an operation like Victoryland that handles huge amounts of cash on a daily basis.

Another thing your article alluded to that was commonly known, but never said out loud was how Bobby Lowder became so powerful in Auburn athletic circles. Ole Bobby controlled the purse strings. If you were an Auburn BOT member and you wanted your business to continue to have funds readily available, you played ball with Bobby and did what he wanted or Colonial Bank would find a reason to make your business dealings difficult i.e. they would slow down or cut off the money. And they ALL did business with Colonial as you can see. I'm sure he sucked them all in with sweet deals and promises then when he got his hooks into them, they either did what Bobby wanted or Bobby would get nasty.,

As a point of reference, here’s a partial list of AU’s BoT when all of this was supposedly going down:

Link: LINK

Bobby Lowder
John CH Miller, Jr
Earlon C. McWHorter
Jimmy Rane
Paul Spina

Recognize any Names/Faces? Now look at the Colonial BancGroup Board of Directors the last full year of Operation December 31, 2007.

Link: LINK

Bobby Lowder
John HC Miller
Jimmy Rane
Paul Spina - Montgomery, Al. Bank Chairman
Milton McGregor
Pat Dye

Very easy to see why the Tuskegee News was so interested in the relationship between Lowder and the other Auburn Board members.

• The people above are on tape explaining who they paid and how they did it.
• It involves many AU players
• Providing unmarked Colonial Bank ATM cards to players to withdraw
money from secret accounts.
• Giving “slot machine cards” to the players, which now involves the
Alabama Gaming Commission.
• Provided improper loans to some of the families in our last and
current recruiting class.
• The NCAA “strongly” recommended that AU sit Cam for GA. game because
of the mounting evidence.
• President Grogue wanted to sit Cam but was overruled by Louder and
the Board of Trustees.
• Coach Chizik knows none of this and has been lied to by Jacobs.
• The people named above know the S%#& is going to hit the fan “big
time” and have decided “we’re going down” so lets win the title even
if they take it away later.
• Slive knew about this early and sat on the information and is also
in the “crosshairs” of the FBI..
• The corruption is so deep at the highest level (trustees) that AU
will be evicted from kicked out of the SEC.

[bandl]

I thought you guys were joking about 'tigerdroppings'. That's priceless!

Thanks for the linkie..might make for some good reading during my thanksgiving potluck comatose this afternoon...

[JSU02]

I thought you guys were joking about 'tigerdroppings'. That's priceless!

Thanks for the linkie..might make for some good reading during my thanksgiving potluck comatose this afternoon...

Be careful. That stuff is like crack. Its hard to stop reading because it gets so good. As you read it you are gonna be thinking WTF, but as an Alabama resident, that thread ties together a lot of drama that has been going on in the state for the past year. We are talking gambling, bank failures, money laundering, allegations of human trafficking, pretty much everything except for sex crimes.

[bluehenbillk]

It took what 3-4 years after Reggie Bush left USC for something to happen. There isn't a chance in hell that something in this case happens in the next 72 hours to make a difference for the subject matter of this thread.

[nwFL Griz]

It took what 3-4 years after Reggie Bush left USC for something to happen. There isn't a chance in hell that something in this case happens in the next 72 hours to make a difference for the subject matter of this thread.

Yes, it took 3-4 years, but the allegations about Reggie didn't come out until well after he had already graduated. This is the first time I can recall allegations coming out while a season was still going on. I wouldn't be surprised to see the NCAA rule Newton ineligible within the next week, and vacate all of Auburns wins. Too late for UTC (even though it is still an L for them, regardless).

This is sounding like death penalty type stuff, isn't it?

[Grizalltheway]

It took what 3-4 years after Reggie Bush left USC for something to happen. There isn't a chance in hell that something in this case happens in the next 72 hours to make a difference for the subject matter of this thread.

Yes, it took 3-4 years, but the allegations about Reggie didn't come out until well after he had already graduated. This is the first time I can recall allegations coming out while a season was still going on. I wouldn't be surprised to see the NCAA rule Newton ineligible within the next week, and vacate all of Auburns wins. Too late for UTC (even though it is still an L for them, regardless).

This is sounding like death penalty type stuff, isn't it?

Works for me. Oregon vs TCU/BSU, baby.

[JSU02]

This is sounding like death penalty type stuff, isn't it?

Most certainly. I could even see it causing the state to reconsider Auburn's roll in the state's college system.

[danefan]

Anybody watch Rubicon? Sounds like the plot line for an entire season.

Big money - big money.

Also of interest to me in all of this is the NFL's intention to try and fine and suspend players for NCAA violations. Eg. - the Reggie Bush rule.

[bluehenbillk]

It took what 3-4 years after Reggie Bush left USC for something to happen. There isn't a chance in hell that something in this case happens in the next 72 hours to make a difference for the subject matter of this thread.

Yes, it took 3-4 years, but the allegations about Reggie didn't come out until well after he had already graduated. This is the first time I can recall allegations coming out while a season was still going on. I wouldn't be surprised to see the NCAA rule Newton ineligible within the next week, and vacate all of Auburns wins. Too late for UTC (even though it is still an L for them, regardless).

This is sounding like death penalty type stuff, isn't it?

1st of all, for it to matter for this thread & Chatty it'd need to happen by Saturday night. Second, if anything would happen the first thing would be for AU or the NCAA to pull Newton's eligibility. If you think in just over the next 48hrs the NCAA is going to vacate Auburn's wins this year I'll point you to cnn.com and their story about a moon base by the time I hit 100 years old.....

[nwFL Griz]

Yes, it took 3-4 years, but the allegations about Reggie didn't come out until well after he had already graduated. This is the first time I can recall allegations coming out while a season was still going on. I wouldn't be surprised to see the NCAA rule Newton ineligible within the next week, and vacate all of Auburns wins. Too late for UTC (even though it is still an L for them, regardless).

This is sounding like death penalty type stuff, isn't it?

1st of all, for it to matter for this thread & Chatty it'd need to happen by Saturday night. Second, if anything would happen the first thing would be for AU or the NCAA to pull Newton's eligibility. If you think in just over the next 48hrs the NCAA is going to vacate Auburn's wins this year I'll point you to cnn.com and their story about a moon base by the time I hit 100 years old.....

Did you even read my post?

I wouldn't be surprised to see the NCAA rule Newton ineligible within the next week, and vacate all of Auburns wins. Too late for UTC (even though it is still an L for them, regardless).

[Pwns]

Auburn won't lose SACS accreditation. Not when you have thousands of students enrolled who would probably have to find another school. They won't get expelled from the SEC either.

The most extreme that that will happen is that Auburn gets a few years of no TV, the wealthy bigwigs involved get a slap on the wrist, and the congresscritters in Washington will hold hearings and make some changes that will surely hurt the little guys (i.e. us) in college football more than the big guys.

[Skjellyfetti]

Auburn won't lose SACS accreditation. Not when you have thousands of students enrolled who would probably have to find another school.

They came VERY close to losing their accreditation a couple of years ago.

It is a major slap in the face and a loss of prestige for Auburn University's Board of Trustees. Tuesday, the group that Southern Association of Colleges and Schools(SACS), which certifies southern universities for academics and administration put the school on probation. The agency regularly checks schools and colleges and awards accreditation to institutions that earn its seal of approval.

Auburn is still fully accredited, but the sanction imposed by the association is one step short of SACS' most serious punishment -- revoking a college's accreditation. A loss of accreditation would have meant the loss of hundreds of (M) millions of dollars in federal aid for Auburn and its students.

The SACS report noted five problems, most of them related to its board of trustees. The agency does NOT make specific details of its report public -- it only lists the requirements a school has fallen short of.

The problems listed by the report include institutional commitment and responsibility in the accreditation process; conditions of eligibility; administrative oversight and financial control in the athletics department; and alumni affairs.

http://www.wsfa.com/global/story.asp?S=1557500" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think they're now off probation... but, if a lot of the rumors are true and the Board of Trustees is shown to be completely corrupt... I really do think losing accreditation is a legit possibility.

[Pwns]

An empty threat. Losing that accreditation will affect many of the Auburn students and they aren't going to punish them for misdeeds related to sports.

If the accreditation is pulled it ruins the chances for many AU students to get any kind of professional certification - i.e. anyone getting teaching certification or wanting to go to medical or law school or graduate school won't be able to.

[JSU02]

They are off probation now, but what is currently rumored to be going on is far worse than what they were placed on probation for. Alabama's Gov Elect is a Dermatologist from Tuscaloosa who held his election night party at the Bryant Denny Stadium. He is a big Bammer. If this stuff is true, I think he will hit Auburn Univ. hard.