CAA Meetings - Who Stays, Who Goes......

[CAA Flagship]

true you guys made some good points but it includes more than just what he's done on the field. It's included what he's done off the field as well.

Careful here. Maine insiders think Wilder handled his exit incorrectly. And W&M insiders think his "style" of coaching (not x's and o's but motivationally) may not be a good fit for the CAA. I'm just saying that there are people that may not be as high on him as we are.

[ODUalum11]

true you guys made some good points but it includes more than just what he's done on the field. It's included what he's done off the field as well.

Careful here. Maine insiders think Wilder handled his exit incorrectly. And W&M insiders think his "style" of coaching (not x's and o's but motivationally) may not be a good fit for the CAA. I'm just saying that there are people that may not be as high on him as we are.

well, only time will tell. Up until this point I think he has been a great coach for ODU. And that doesn't surprise me what WM insiders said after that game last season.

Also what happened with his exit at Maine?

[jstclmet]

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[BDKJMU]

true you guys made some good points but it includes more than just what he's done on the field. It's included what he's done off the field as well.

Careful here. Maine insiders think Wilder handled his exit incorrectly. And W&M insiders think his "style" of coaching (not x's and o's but motivationally) may not be a good fit for the CAA. I'm just saying that there are people that may not be as high on him as we are.

What do you mean by that?

[mainejeff]

question for Maine fans, what are your thoughts on Bobby Wilder and several of the coaches that used to be at Maine but are now at ODU?

I believe Rondeau (LB coach, DC), Zyskowski (RB coach), Whitcomb (QB coach), Morrison (OL coach, OC) all either played or coached at Maine....

It just shows how loyal these guys were to Bobby rather than Cozzy. I'm not surprised, just shows how fortunate ODU is to have Wilder and how unfortunate we are to still have Cosgrove.

What he said.

[mainejeff]

Careful here. Maine insiders think Wilder handled his exit incorrectly. And W&M insiders think his "style" of coaching (not x's and o's but motivationally) may not be a good fit for the CAA. I'm just saying that there are people that may not be as high on him as we are.

well, only time will tell. Up until this point I think he has been a great coach for ODU. And that doesn't surprise me what WM insiders said after that game last season.

Also what happened with his exit at Maine?

Nothing.

[ODUalum11]

Careful here. Maine insiders think Wilder handled his exit incorrectly. And W&M insiders think his "style" of coaching (not x's and o's but motivationally) may not be a good fit for the CAA. I'm just saying that there are people that may not be as high on him as we are.

What do you mean by that?

I think what he meant is that the players were too pumped up for the game. The players on the sideline weren't really controlled by anybody which eventually led to numerous personal foul penalties on the field that got so bad to the point that WM's head coach got pissed and had some comments either at halftime or after the game.

[Redwyn]

Stony Brook got mentioned a few times in alignment positioning. Figured I'd give my two cents for whoever cares. We are full scholly btw, so none of this prelim adjustment talk about us going to the next level:

1. SBU's AD and administration has publicly stated FBS ambition, or at the very least ambition to move higher than it is. It makes sense, we're a 27K pop school (the size of U Conn), and just not demographically matched with many FCS programs in the northeast (basically Delaware and UNH amongst state schools...and that's it. Albany at the moment is not where we are investment-wise and Rhode Island is moving down). This change is not going to happen for quite a while (I'd say 20 years is a conservative estimate at current donation/revenue streams, and by then we'd likely be looking at a whole new playing field), so I'd imagine we'd prioritize a stable conference alignment over moving up. Me personally - I'd push for SBU to play in Nassau Coliseum once it's renovated. Closer to NYC, closer to population centers, and the owner (Charles Wang) is already a big donor to SBU. It's only about a 30 min drive from campus and off 3 major highways.

2. As for alignment, we will not be changing football conferences unless it comes with an all-sports invite. It's just not intelligent to do so. AEC has become an RPI sump for our two most successful sports (baseball and lacrosse), and while the rivalries are fun the ultimate negatives now outweigh the positives. Basketball is also accelerating, which will start to make us an attractive expansion option. Are we where Charlotte is now? No. But will we likely stay longer than Charlotte? Absolutely. The CAA has a history of taking expansion programs from the AEC (Delaware, Drexel, Northeastern, Hofstra, Towson to name a few), and Hofstra allows for a nice proxy matchup in basketball. At the end of the day, I'd say we either move up to the CAA in the short term, or much farther down the line follow Rutgers and U Conn wherever they may end up.

[Redwyn]

On a second note - absolutely no chance Liberty ends up in the CAA. It's not about facilities or commitment to sport...it's about perception of the school and about academic standing. It's just not there yet in pedigree, and would need a media makeover (especially in the Northeast, where we jumped all over the whole "dinosaurs aren't that old" thing).
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Nothing negative intended against Liberty. Every student has a right to study wherever he/she pleases, and privately funded institutions have a right to maintain whatever viewpoints it chooses. However, I don't see those views coinciding in any manner with CAA peer institutions. I see Liberty making the jump to FBS with C-USA or the Sun Belt, then eventually following BYU and Notre Dame's lead and going independent. It's what the school ultimately wants anyway.

[89Hen]

1. SBU's AD and administration has publicly stated FBS ambition, or at the very least ambition to move higher than it is. It makes sense, we're a 27K pop school (the size of U Conn), and just not demographically matched with many FCS programs in the northeast (basically Delaware and UNH amongst state schools...and that's it. Albany at the moment is not where we are investment-wise and Rhode Island is moving down). This change is not going to happen for quite a while (I'd say 20 years is a conservative estimate at current donation/revenue streams, and by then we'd likely be looking at a whole new playing field)..

20 years?

[Redwyn]

20 years?

To FBS? Yeah. Our stadium isn't complete, and given how much of a fight we're having just to use money we were already allocated by NYS to rebuild our basketball arena, I can't imagine how long it would take to expand LaValle to a large enough size to qualify. It's also pointless at the moment given how rarely we fill what we have already. Attendance is up, but only by baby-steps. It was created to be expanded to FBS size, however, so at least the foresight was there.

As for the CAA, I could see this move happening much faster. The big factor there is money invested, and SB is certainly right on par with many CAA programs. We also portend the return of college football to the NYC metro market (a market we're tapping into more and more in other sports as well, such as our upcoming game at MSG vs. Rutgers in MBB).

[ODUalum11]

It will definitely benefit the CAA to have a team in the NYC market with football. I also know that Hofstra and Northeastern would love to see the CAA get another member in the Northeast.

[BDKJMU]

What do you mean by that?

I think what he meant is that the players were too pumped up for the game. The players on the sideline weren't really controlled by anybody which eventually led to numerous personal foul penalties on the field that got so bad to the point that WM's head coach got pissed and had some comments either at halftime or after the game.

Thats the fault of Wilder then for failing to control his players- he's ultimately responsible. Yeah, I remember watching that game on TV- ODU did have a # of personal fouls called against them the 1st half.

[Tribe4SF]

I think what he meant is that the players were too pumped up for the game. The players on the sideline weren't really controlled by anybody which eventually led to numerous personal foul penalties on the field that got so bad to the point that WM's head coach got pissed and had some comments either at halftime or after the game.

Thats the fault of Wilder then for failing to control his players- he's ultimately responsible. Yeah, I remember watching that game on TV- ODU did have a # of personal fouls called against them the 1st half.

Since the dust has settled on this issue, I'll comment. The personal fouls on the field that were called weren't the biggest concern. There were numerous after whistle moments, including a helmet swing leaving the field at halftime, that got Laycock hot. Tribe players reaction after the game was that there were several ODU kids who just lacked the maturity to handle the scene. It may have really hurt ODU because the refs were hyper-vigilant in the second half, and called a facemask on the Tribe's game winning drive that probably was a bad call. Wilder soft-pedalled it in the media, but took action the following week with his team. I doubt this will be an issue again. Kids grow up, and hopefully those ODU players involved have learned the fine edge between chippiness, and going over the line.

[CAA Flagship]

Thats the fault of Wilder then for failing to control his players- he's ultimately responsible. Yeah, I remember watching that game on TV- ODU did have a # of personal fouls called against them the 1st half.

Since the dust has settled on this issue, I'll comment. The personal fouls on the field that were called weren't the biggest concern. There were numerous after whistle moments, including a helmet swing leaving the field at halftime, that got Laycock hot. Tribe players reaction after the game was that there were several ODU kids who just lacked the maturity to handle the scene. It may have really hurt ODU because the refs were hyper-vigilant in the second half, and called a facemask on the Tribe's game winning drive that probably was a bad call. Wilder soft-pedalled it in the media, but took action the following week with his team. I doubt this will be an issue again. Kids grow up, and hopefully those ODU players involved have learned the fine edge between chippiness, and going over the line.

Tribe4SF has it exactly right (including the bad call on the facemask). It's hard to believe but I have heard reliable reports of at least one Tribe player being bitten. My understanding is that Laycock was upset about late hits and possibly cheap shots. It was a case of overextended intimidation on the part of the Old Dominion players and W&M feels that the CAA teams have never played that way and is, at this point, concerned. They point to the caliber of personality of the ODU players and the lack of control, or possibly encouragement, by the ODU coaches. I want to believe that this was an abberation considering that some of these kids have been waiting a long time to play a team of that caliber. Time will tell.

Regarding Wilder's exit from Maine, I don't know the details and don't want to speculate, but I was told by a reliable source that Wilder did not handle his exit well. This could be a number of things including not being upfront with his applying for the ODU job, not completing tasks befor leaving, the hiring of Maine assistant coaches, or something else. It's probably not a big deal but this, and the lack of control of the players during the W&M game, has me mildly concerned at this point. Again, time will tell. Wilder has done 1,000 things right thus far. I don't want to crucify him for a couple of bumps in the road, but the team's actions during the upcoming season should provide a clearer picture of how he intends to direct this program. I am very encouraged at the disciplinary actions he has taken thus far that included game suspensions and dismissals from the team. We have lost some good talent due to dismissals, but running a disciplined program must be the top priority for long term success.

[VBR_Productions]

After the W&M game, Wilder told the team that anyone who got a personal foul going forward would sit the rest of the game. The next week at Monmouth, star-recruit Tommy Reamon got a personal foul on a punt return. Wilder benched him the rest of the game. I won't excuse the personal fouls against the Tribe but he took action subsequent to the game. As for general discipline, the very first player to commit to ODU was kicked off the team for (allegedly) repeatedly not going to mandatory study hall.

In CAA Meeting news, the league decided what to do with UMass this season - http://www.caasports.com/ViewArticle.db ... =205160812" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"In CAA Football, it was decided that the University of Massachusetts, which is in the process of transitioning to the FBS level, will not be eligible for the CAA Championship in 2011, but its players will still be eligible to receive pre-season, weekly and post-season awards. The Minutemen’s official conference record will be recorded as 0-0 and it will not occupy a spot in the CAA Football standings. However, the game results will be reflected in their opponents’ conference record."

[Tribe4SF]

Regarding Wilder's exit from Maine, I don't know the details and don't want to speculate, but I was told by a reliable source that Wilder did not handle his exit well. This could be a number of things including not being upfront with his applying for the ODU job, not completing tasks befor leaving, the hiring of Maine assistant coaches, or something else. It's probably not a big deal but this, and the lack of control of the players during the W&M game, has me mildly concerned at this point. Again, time will tell. Wilder has done 1,000 things right thus far. I don't want to crucify him for a couple of bumps in the road, but the team's actions during the upcoming season should provide a clearer picture of how he intends to direct this program. I am very encouraged at the disciplinary actions he has taken thus far that included game suspensions and dismissals from the team. We have lost some good talent due to dismissals, but running a disciplined program must be the top priority for long term success.

Wilder had never been a head coach before, so some of the issues may be his own growing pains. He's done a great job as the face of the program, and is second only to Mickey for painting a rosy picture. Next year will be a good measure of his complete ability as a head coach, with the challenging schedule, and a second year of APR scores ahead. If things are being managed well it will show.

[ODUalum11]

I definitely expect Wilder to have his players more disciplined this season. I honestly think one of the reasons for the dirty play or whatever you want to call it is that we were a young team last fall. We only had 5 seniors on the team and a bunch of underclassmen. I expect the team to be more mature this fall.

[LastMinuteman]

"In CAA Football, it was decided that the University of Massachusetts, which is in the process of transitioning to the FBS level, will not be eligible for the CAA Championship in 2011, but its players will still be eligible to receive pre-season, weekly and post-season awards. The Minutemen’s official conference record will be recorded as 0-0"

Haven't even played a game yet and the CAA has already decided that UMass is going undefeated this season.

[ODUalum11]

"In CAA Football, it was decided that the University of Massachusetts, which is in the process of transitioning to the FBS level, will not be eligible for the CAA Championship in 2011, but its players will still be eligible to receive pre-season, weekly and post-season awards. The Minutemen’s official conference record will be recorded as 0-0"

Haven't even played a game yet and the CAA has already decided that UMass is going undefeated this season.

or winless, whatever way you want to look at it.

[CAA Flagship]

After the W&M game, Wilder told the team that anyone who got a personal foul going forward would sit the rest of the game. The next week at Monmouth, star-recruit Tommy Reamon got a personal foul on a punt return. Wilder benched him the rest of the game. I won't excuse the personal fouls against the Tribe but he took action subsequent to the game.

Yes but I found the timeline interesting. On Monday morning, Wilder was still saying something to the effect of "I typically only speak about MY team". This was in response to a reporter asking him about Laycock's comments after the game. He defended the team's actions until Wednesday or Thursday pointing to the fact that he felt that some of the personal fouls were called incorrectly after watching film. I believe it was only after the AD's from ODU and W&M "cleared the air" that Wilder shifted his tone and instituted the personal foul rule. I like the idea that he wants to stick up for his team, but I think that he finally understood the big picture ramifications of the team's actions. I want to believe he is on the right track and that on-field conduct will be in focus going forward.

[dunbar]

So games against UMass count in the standings, but UMass gets no credit for playing in the league standings? You might as well keep track of them in the standings just with an asterisk...

[ODUalum11]

So games against UMass count in the standings, but UMass gets no credit for playing in the league standings? You might as well keep track of them in the standings just with an asterisk...

Yeah, what I'm wondering is if these games will count in the UMass record books or if they are gonna be vacated like the games USC lost from their National Championship season.

[Saint3333]

Don't mean to take this off topic, but looks like an all-sports CAA move is more likely in our future.

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Can't wait to see the spin UNCC officials put on this once it happens to cover the back peddling they've done over the past few months.

It was the best move possible when they walked from the CAA the first time, but UNCC grossly over estimated their position. I'm still shocked the Big South turned them down.

[ODUalum11]

Don't mean to take this off topic, but looks like an all-sports CAA move is more likely in our future.

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Can't wait to see the spin UNCC officials put on this once it happens to cover the back peddling they've done over the past few months.

It was the best move possible when they walked from the CAA the first time, but UNCC grossly over estimated their position. I'm still shocked the Big South turned them down.

sorry, if this is being restated but what was the exact reason the BS turn down UNCC?