bigblue78 wrote:
For ODU:
Offense:
LT Jensen 6-5 300 lb
LG Born 6-8 340 lb
C Hensley 6-1 290 lb
RG Duncan 6-4 285 lb
RT Lowney 6-4 285
Thanks big blue
They've got some big guys on the O-line. This could explain why Heinicke seems to have a 4 hours to sit in the pocket. At least from what I saw of the NS game.Its a good thing there's not a creature on earth that can stop the man bear pig.
WHY IS IT STILL THURSDAY? I'm ready to watch this motha on da espn3
*Edit the day of the week. Thought it was still wednesday...
Norfolk St was a MEAC team, hence the inability to have any decent line play, hence the reason why Heinicke could sit in a recliner in the pocket, read a paper, and then get up and look to see if anyone got open yet. I doubt he'll have that luxury this Saturday.
On the other hand, the one thing that doomed GSU last year against UD was that man bear pig was only one guy. He was a beast for the first quarter and then as UD's OL started to lean on him, he got run over. I haven't watched enough of GSU this year to know - is there more depth on the d-line this year? They definitely got gassed last year in their playoff loss because they never rotated out. Thanks.
They've got some big guys on the O-line. This could explain why Heinicke seems to have a 4 hours to sit in the pocket. At least from what I saw of the NS game.Its a good thing there's not a creature on earth that can stop the man bear pig.
WHY IS IT STILL THURSDAY? I'm ready to watch this motha on da espn3
*Edit the day of the week. Thought it was still wednesday...
Norfolk St was a MEAC team, hence the inability to have any decent line play, hence the reason why Heinicke could sit in a recliner in the pocket, read a paper, and then get up and look to see if anyone got open yet. I doubt he'll have that luxury this Saturday.
On the other hand, the one thing that doomed GSU last year against UD was that man bear pig was only one guy. He was a beast for the first quarter and then as UD's OL started to lean on him, he got run over. I haven't watched enough of GSU this year to know - is there more depth on the d-line this year? They definitely got gassed last year in their playoff loss because they never rotated out. Thanks.
2011 Tackles for Loss
GSU 59 (5.36 pg)
ODU 91 (7.58 pg)
They've got some big guys on the O-line. This could explain why Heinicke seems to have a 4 hours to sit in the pocket. At least from what I saw of the NS game.Its a good thing there's not a creature on earth that can stop the man bear pig.
WHY IS IT STILL THURSDAY? I'm ready to watch this motha on da espn3
*Edit the day of the week. Thought it was still wednesday...
Norfolk St was a MEAC team, hence the inability to have any decent line play, hence the reason why Heinicke could sit in a recliner in the pocket, read a paper, and then get up and look to see if anyone got open yet. I doubt he'll have that luxury this Saturday.
On the other hand, the one thing that doomed GSU last year against UD was that man bear pig was only one guy. He was a beast for the first quarter and then as UD's OL started to lean on him, he got run over. I haven't watched enough of GSU this year to know - is there more depth on the d-line this year? They definitely got gassed last year in their playoff loss because they never rotated out. Thanks.
GSU is much deeper this year. Russell rotates out as needed and is replaced by a slightly smaller, but just as quick player. GSU wil play eight to 10 guys on the DL in the game without much dropoff. Granted Russell is one of the finest DT in the nation, probably the finest, and he will draw double teams on every play. The DE for GSU are light years faster than what NSU was throwing at the Monarchs, so expect your freshman QB to have to get rid of the ball faster than he has had to all year. GSU will bring the pressure and it might come from anywhere. They won't drop eight in coverage like NSU did. GSU will give up the short pass and keep the WR in front of them to avoid the big play. They give up some yardage, but not many points. With the exception of Rowe in the middle, the GSU LB are really big safeties who play the LB position, so they've got good speed.
Actually, I'd much prefer GSU give us the underneath routes because that's what ODU's been doing all year. Pressuring Heinicke won't matter too much; he doesn't usually hold on to the ball long enough anyways since it's a quick pass system. I think NSU had the right idea by forcing ODU to go long, but their defensive backs didn't execute.
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straightshooter wrote: The DE for GSU are light years faster than what NSU was throwing at the Monarchs, so expect your freshman QB to have to get rid of the ball faster than he has had to all year.
Not to downplay GSU's defense, but ODU has played CAA defenses all year, not MEAC defenses. My elderly mother is faster than what NSU was throwing at us. CAA defenses are much faster than MEAC defenses, and we know this. Had not Wilder taken his foot off of the offensive gas mid way through the 2nd half we would have dropped 50 on them. Had he not taken his foot off of the defensive gas halfway through the 4th quarter, they would have had no more than 10 points (the first 7 coming on a fluke 98 yard play on their first play from scrimmage).
I don't believe GSU will run over us. The Eagles might very well beat us, but you'll know you were in a game.
GannonFan wrote:
Norfolk St was a MEAC team, hence the inability to have any decent line play, hence the reason why Heinicke could sit in a recliner in the pocket, read a paper, and then get up and look to see if anyone got open yet. I doubt he'll have that luxury this Saturday.
On the other hand, the one thing that doomed GSU last year against UD was that man bear pig was only one guy. He was a beast for the first quarter and then as UD's OL started to lean on him, he got run over. I haven't watched enough of GSU this year to know - is there more depth on the d-line this year? They definitely got gassed last year in their playoff loss because they never rotated out. Thanks.
GSU is much deeper this year. Russell rotates out as needed and is replaced by a slightly smaller, but just as quick player. GSU wil play eight to 10 guys on the DL in the game without much dropoff. Granted Russell is one of the finest DT in the nation, probably the finest, and he will draw double teams on every play. The DE for GSU are light years faster than what NSU was throwing at the Monarchs, so expect your freshman QB to have to get rid of the ball faster than he has had to all year. GSU will bring the pressure and it might come from anywhere. They won't drop eight in coverage like NSU did. GSU will give up the short pass and keep the WR in front of them to avoid the big play. They give up some yardage, but not many points. With the exception of Rowe in the middle, the GSU LB are really big safeties who play the LB position, so they've got good speed.
Giving up the short pass does not make sense. This negates any advantage that you think you have on the D-line with man-goat-ferret. Plus, every first down gives our defense a rest. If you think your D-line can apply pressure, I would think that taking away the short pass will allow time for that to happen.
GannonFan wrote:
Norfolk St was a MEAC team, hence the inability to have any decent line play, hence the reason why Heinicke could sit in a recliner in the pocket, read a paper, and then get up and look to see if anyone got open yet. I doubt he'll have that luxury this Saturday.
On the other hand, the one thing that doomed GSU last year against UD was that man bear pig was only one guy. He was a beast for the first quarter and then as UD's OL started to lean on him, he got run over. I haven't watched enough of GSU this year to know - is there more depth on the d-line this year? They definitely got gassed last year in their playoff loss because they never rotated out. Thanks.
2011 Tackles for Loss
GSU 59 (5.36 pg)
ODU 91 (7.58 pg)
Much of that difference comes from the teams GSU played versus those ODU played. GSU played two other TO teams that don't pass the ball more than a half dozen times a game. They played Alabama, which will cut down on the TFL. I wouldn't count on many TFL for ODU on Saturday.
GannonFan wrote:
Norfolk St was a MEAC team, hence the inability to have any decent line play, hence the reason why Heinicke could sit in a recliner in the pocket, read a paper, and then get up and look to see if anyone got open yet. I doubt he'll have that luxury this Saturday.
Heinicke completed 70% of his passes against CAA defenses as well...if he gets time on Saturday, ODU has a shot. If not, well, 10-3 ain't bad.
GannonFan wrote:
Norfolk St was a MEAC team, hence the inability to have any decent line play, hence the reason why Heinicke could sit in a recliner in the pocket, read a paper, and then get up and look to see if anyone got open yet. I doubt he'll have that luxury this Saturday.
Heinicke completed 70% of his passes against CAA defenses as well...if he gets time on Saturday, ODU has a shot. If not, well, 10-3 ain't bad.
Our pass protection is much better than our run blocking when it comes to facing strong D-lines. This makes sense for the most part because all we need to do is get in their way for about 2 seconds.
oduswag wrote:
Been trolling this for a while, but finally had to say something.
Kicking- ODU takes chances from range, while GSU doesn't. Hence the misses
Punting- ODU has punted more than twice as much as GSU, yet their avg is higher and according to the NCAA GSU net punt is 38.04 while ODU is 37.69. What kind of country math have yall been doing? More than twice as many punts, almost the same net. And I'm sure most of your punts have been on a short field, hence no returns.
Toss up on special teams due to your returners
Yeah, we have half the number of punts, but your team gives up 4X the number of returns. If we consistently had to punt on a short field, our average would be much less than 42.6 yards per punt. It all comes down to one common denominator, hangtime. Our guy has it, yours obviously doesn't. It's the main reason why the NCAA has your team is ranked 105th in punt return defense, and ours 28th.
oduswag wrote:
Been trolling this for a while, but finally had to say something.
Kicking- ODU takes chances from range, while GSU doesn't. Hence the misses
Punting- ODU has punted more than twice as much as GSU, yet their avg is higher and according to the NCAA GSU net punt is 38.04 while ODU is 37.69. What kind of country math have yall been doing? More than twice as many punts, almost the same net. And I'm sure most of your punts have been on a short field, hence no returns.
Toss up on special teams due to your returners
Yeah, we have half the number of punts, but your team gives up 4X the number of returns. If we consistently had to punt on a short field, our average would be much less than 42.6 yards per punt. It all comes down to one common denominator, hangtime. Our guy has it, yours obviously doesn't. It's the main reason why the NCAA has your team is ranked 105th in punt return defense, and ours 28th.
ODU's punter has a huge leg, problem is, though, he'll outkick his coverage a lot and set up bigger returns.
Baldy wrote:
Yeah, we have half the number of punts, but your team gives up 4X the number of returns. If we consistently had to punt on a short field, our average would be much less than 42.6 yards per punt. It all comes down to one common denominator, hangtime. Our guy has it, yours obviously doesn't. It's the main reason why the NCAA has your team is ranked 105th in punt return defense, and ours 28th.
ODU's punter has a huge leg, problem is, though, he'll outkick his coverage a lot and set up bigger returns.
This, and the fact that our kick and punt coverage has not matured to the point where it could be. Not sure why though. It's not for a lack of time spent working on it or a lack of team speed. But it definitely could be better.
straightshooter wrote: The DE for GSU are light years faster than what NSU was throwing at the Monarchs, so expect your freshman QB to have to get rid of the ball faster than he has had to all year.
Not to downplay GSU's defense, but ODU has played CAA defenses all year, not MEAC defenses. My elderly mother is faster than what NSU was throwing at us. CAA defenses are much faster than MEAC defenses, and we know this. Had not Wilder taken his foot off of the offensive gas mid way through the 2nd half we would have dropped 50 on them. Had he not taken his foot off of the defensive gas halfway through the 4th quarter, they would have had no more than 10 points (the first 7 coming on a fluke 98 yard play on their first play from scrimmage).
I don't believe GSU will run over us. The Eagles might very well beat us, but you'll know you were in a game.
One question, then.
How in the hell did your team allow Hampton to score 42 points and roll up 400 yards of offense?
Monarch Nation wrote:
Not to downplay GSU's defense, but ODU has played CAA defenses all year, not MEAC defenses. My elderly mother is faster than what NSU was throwing at us. CAA defenses are much faster than MEAC defenses, and we know this. Had not Wilder taken his foot off of the offensive gas mid way through the 2nd half we would have dropped 50 on them. Had he not taken his foot off of the defensive gas halfway through the 4th quarter, they would have had no more than 10 points (the first 7 coming on a fluke 98 yard play on their first play from scrimmage).
I don't believe GSU will run over us. The Eagles might very well beat us, but you'll know you were in a game.
One question, then.
How in the hell did your team allow Hampton to score 42 points and roll up 400 yards of offense?
Meh, our defense blows. But our offense more than compensates. Be prepared for the aerial assault that will be coming in from the north.
CAA Flagship wrote:
Meh, our defense blows. But our offense more than compensates. Be prepared for the aerial assault that will be coming in from the north.
I'm no expert.... but, aren't those flares that a fighter would drop when there is a missle heading right for it... about to drop it out of the sky?
"The unmasking thing was all created by Devin Nunes"
- Richard Burr, (R-NC)
How in the hell did your team allow Hampton to score 42 points and roll up 400 yards of offense?
Hampton has a big (6'5"), mobile QB that transferred from Syracuse. He had a good game, scrambling and hitting his WRs. We simply couldn't do much with him. It was the 3rd game of the season, played in the rain 2.5 months ago.
How in the hell did your team allow Hampton to score 42 points and roll up 400 yards of offense?
Hampton has a big (6'5"), mobile QB that transferred from Syracuse. He had a good game, scrambling and hitting his WRs. We simply couldn't do much with him. It was the 3rd game of the season, played in the rain 2.5 months ago.
A 3rd stringer from Syracuse. Impressive. Anyway, he played a horrible game against the Norfolk defense. Interesting.
Monarch Nation wrote:
Not to downplay GSU's defense, but ODU has played CAA defenses all year, not MEAC defenses. My elderly mother is faster than what NSU was throwing at us. CAA defenses are much faster than MEAC defenses, and we know this. Had not Wilder taken his foot off of the offensive gas mid way through the 2nd half we would have dropped 50 on them. Had he not taken his foot off of the defensive gas halfway through the 4th quarter, they would have had no more than 10 points (the first 7 coming on a fluke 98 yard play on their first play from scrimmage).
I don't believe GSU will run over us. The Eagles might very well beat us, but you'll know you were in a game.
One question, then.
How in the hell did your team allow Hampton to score 42 points and roll up 400 yards of offense?
He was a pro style QB able to scramble and make play after play with his feet after the initial play broke down. He had quite an arm and was a solid FCS QB.
Ga Southern and Hampton have absolutely ZERO in common, so that game is completely meaningless.
We have a decent enough defense to combine with the offense that we have. How we stack up against a triple option is a mystery right now, but I think Ronnie Cameron, the CAA defensive player of the year, will be up to the task. A good DT can cause havoc for a triple option by penentrating the backfield and disrupting the timing of the option. Cameron is HUNGRY. How well he plays will determine how well ODU's defense can shut down GSU.
How in the hell did your team allow Hampton to score 42 points and roll up 400 yards of offense?
He was a pro style QB able to scramble and make play after play with his feet after the initial play broke down. He had quite an arm and was a solid FCS QB.
Ga Southern and Hampton have absolutely ZERO in common, so that game is completely meaningless.
We have a decent enough defense to combine with the offense that we have. How we stack up against a triple option is a mystery right now, but I think Ronnie Cameron, the CAA defensive player of the year, will be up to the task. A good DT can cause havoc for a triple option by penentrating the backfield and disrupting the timing of the option. Cameron is HUNGRY. How well he plays will determine how well ODU's defense can shut down GSU.
Should be a fun battle to watch in the trenches.
We will see. But Cameron is not even in the same stratosphere as Brent Russell
Not sure why though. It's not for a lack of time spent working on it or a lack of team speed. But it definitely could be better.
