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EARLY PAYTON, BUCHANAN WATCH LISTS
WALTER PAYTON WATCH
RB Zach Bauman, Northern Arizona, Jr., 5-10, 200
RB Shakir Bell, Indiana State, Jr., 5-8, 185
FB Eric Breitenstein, Wofford, Sr., 5-11, 225
QB Casey Brockman, Murray State, Sr., 6-2, 215
RB Jordan Brown, Bryant, Sr., 5-9, 185
RB Jamaine Cook, Youngstown State, Sr., 5-9, 205
RB Matt Denham, Eastern Kentucky, Sr., 5-11, 181
RB Washaun Ealey, Jacksonville State, Sr., 5-11, 215
WR Nicholas Edwards, Eastern Washington, Sr., 6-3, 200
RB Tim Flanders, Sam Houston State, Jr., 5-9, 210
QB Jeff Mathews, Cornell, Jr., 6-4, 210
QB DeNarius McGhee, Montana State, Jr., 6-0, 213
WR Aaron Mellette, Elon, Sr., 6-4, 212
RB Andrew Pierce, Delaware, Jr., 5-11, 200
WR Rodrick Rumble, Idaho State, Jr., 6-2, 201
HB Richard Sincere, Sam Houston State, Jr., 5-10, 180
RB/RS Dae’Quan Scott, James Madison, Jr., 5-9, 190
QB Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah, Sr., 6-5, 225
WR Ryan Spadola, Lehigh, Sr., 6-3, 205
RB Terrance West, Towson, Soph., 5-11, 220
Just missed: QB Kurt Hess, Youngstown State, Jr., 6-3, 235; WR Cordell Roberson, Stephen F. Austin, Sr., 6-3, 200; OT Blake Matthews, Norfolk State, Sr., 6-4, 315; RB Marcus Coker, Stony Brook, Jr., 5-11, 230; RB Cody Kirk, Montana State., Jr., 5-11, 214
BUCK BUCHANAN BATTLE
S Malcolm Bronson, McNeese State, Sr., 5-11, 192
LB Clarence Bumpas, Northern Colorado, Jr., 6-2, 244
LB Matt Evans, New Hampshire, Sr., 6-0, 219
DE Marquis Jackson, Texas Southern, Sr., 6-5, 275
CB Charles James, Charleston Southern, Sr., 5-10, 175
DE Willie Jefferson, Stephen F. Austin, Jr., 6-6, 230
LB Jeremy Kimbrough, Appalachian State, Sr., 5-11, 238
CB Demetrius McCray, Appalachian State, Sr., 6-0, 185
DT Zach Minter, Montana State, Sr., 6-1, 285
DE Ben Obaseki, Indiana State, Sr., 6-3, 235
DE Blake Oliaro, San Diego, Jr., 6-5, 250
LB Jody Owens, Montana State, Jr., 6-0, 221
LB Keith Pough, Howard, Sr., 6-3, 235
DB Kejuan Riley, Alabama State, Sr., 6-0, 208
DT Brent Russell, Georgia Southern, Sr., 6-2, 287
LB Alvin Scioneaux, Wofford, Sr., 6-2, 214
DE Tyler Starr, South Dakota, Jr., 6-5, 236
DB Darnell Taylor, Sam Houston State, Sr., 6-0, 190
DB B.W. Webb, William & Mary, Sr., 5-11, 175
DB Marcus Williams, North Dakota State, Jr., 5-11, 190
Just missed: DE Joseph Lebeau, Jackson State, Sr., 6-1, 245; LB Blake Peiffer, Southeast Missouri State, Sr., 6-1, 225; LB Wes Dothard, Chattanooga, Jr., 6-1, 235; S Jordan Dangerfield, Towson, Sr., 5-11, 185
2012 FCS PRESEASON ALL-AMERICA TEAMS
FIRST TEAM
OFFENSE
WR Aaron Mellette, Elon, Sr., 6-4, 212
WR Nicholas Edwards, Eastern Washington, Sr., 6-3, 200
WR Ryan Spadola, Lehigh, Sr., 6-3, 205
TE Colin Anderson, Furman, Sr., 6-4, 231
OL Blake Matthews, Norfolk State, Sr., 6-4, 315
OL Malcolm Boyd, Liberty, Sr., 6-4, 280
OL Earl Watford, James Madison, Sr., 6-4, 290
OL Patrick Ford, Eastern Kentucky, Sr., 6-6, 306
OL Anthony Oden, Lamar, Jr., 6-8, 305
QB Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah, Sr., 6-5, 225
RB Terrance West, Towson, Soph., 5-11, 220
RB Tim Flanders, Sam Houston State, Jr., 5-9, 210
FB Eric Breitenstein, Wofford, Sr., 5-11, 225
DEFENSE
DL Brent Russell, Georgia Southern, Sr., 6-2, 287
DL Willie Jefferson, Stephen F. Austin, Jr., 6-6, 230
DL Blake Oliaro, San Diego, Jr., 6-5, 250
DL Ben Obaseki, Indiana State, Sr., 6-3, 235
LB Matt Evans, New Hampshire, Sr., 6-0, 219
LB Keith Pough, Howard, Sr., 6-3, 235
LB Jeremy Kimbrough, Appalachian State, Sr., 5-11, 238
LB Jody Owens, Montana State, Jr., 6-0, 221
DB Marcus Williams, North Dakota State, Jr., 5-11, 190
DB Darnell Taylor, Sam Houston State, Sr., 6-0, 190
DB Kejuan Riley, Alabama State, Sr., 6-0, 208
DB B.W. Webb, William & Mary, Sr., 5-11, 175
SPECIAL TEAMS
K Zach Brown, Portland State, Sr., 6-1, 200
P Jonathan Plisco, Old Dominion, Sr., 6-0, 205
KR Kevin Fogg, Liberty, Sr., 5-10, 180
PR Gralyn Crawford, Stephen F. Austin, Sr., 5-11, 175
SECOND TEAM
OFFENSE
WR Rodrick Rumble, Idaho State, Sr., 6-2, 201
WR Cordell Roberson, Stephen F. Austin, Sr., 6-3, 200
WR Xavier Boyce, Norfolk State, Sr., 6-4, 220
TE David Duran, Coastal Carolina, Sr., 6-5, 240
OL Aaron Adams, Eastern Kentucky, Sr., 6-6, 290
OL Alex Savoie, McNeese State, Sr., 6-7, 332
OL Evan Conrad, Southeast Missouri State, Sr., 6-3, 305
OL Chris Howley, Maine, Sr., 6-3, 300
OL Dan Shirey, Villanova, Sr., 6-2, 280
QB Casey Brockman, Murray State, Sr., 6-2, 215
RB Shakir Bell, Indiana State, Jr., 5-8, 185
RB Jordan Brown, Bryant, Sr., 5-9, 185
FB Kendall Gaskins, Richmond, Sr., 6-1, 228
DEFENSE
DL Tyler Starr, South Dakota, Jr., 6-5, 236
DL Marquis Jackson, Texas Southern, Sr., 6-5, 275
DL Zach Minter, Montana State, Sr., 6-1, 285
DL Joseph Lebeau, Jackson State, Sr., 6-1, 245
LB Clarence Bumpas, Northern Colorado, Jr., 6-2, 244
LB Alvin Scioneaux, Wofford, Sr., 6-2, 214
LB Blake Peiffer, Southeast Missouri State, Sr., 6-1, 225
LB Wes Dothard, Chattanooga, Jr., 6-1, 235
DB Demetrius McCray, Appalachian State, Sr., 6-0, 185
DB Charles James, Charleston Southern, Sr., 5-10, 175
DB Jordan Dangerfield, Towson, Sr., 5-11, 185
DB Malcolm Bronson, McNeese State, Sr., 5-11, 192
SPECIAL TEAMS
K Tyler Sievertsen, Northern Iowa, Jr., 6-2, 185
P Patrick Murray, Fordham, Sr., 5-7, 160
KR AJ Cruz, Brown, Sr., 5-9, 190
PR Darius Carey, McNeese State, Sr., 6-0, 185
THIRD TEAM
OFFENSE
WR Norman White, Villanova, Sr., 6-3, 215
WR Rico Richardson, Jackson State, Sr., 6-1, 185
WR Brandon Kaufman, Eastern Washington, Sr., 6-5, 205
TE Kyle Juszczyk, Harvard, Sr., 6-3, 240
OL Danny Kistler, Montana, Jr., 6-8, 332
OL Dominique Allen, Central Arkansas, Jr., 6-3, 288
OL Terren Jones, Alabama State, Sr., 6-7, 320
OL Kadeem Williams, Albany, Jr., 6-7, 300
OL Jamaal Johnson-Webb, Alabama A&M, Sr., 6-5, 296
QB Jeff Mathews, Cornell, Jr., 6-4, 210
RB Matt Denham, Eastern Kentucky, Sr., 5-11, 181
RB Andrew Pierce, Delaware, Jr., 5-11, 200
FB Jordan Neukirch, Illinois State, Jr., 6-2, 235
DEFENSE
DL Frank Beltre, Towson, Sr., 6-3, 245
DL Emory Attig, Eastern Kentucky, Sr., 6-2, 294
DL Cody Larsen, Southern Utah, Sr., 6-4, 272
DL J.T. Cleveland, Sam Houston State, Sr., 6-0, 290
LB Seth Allison, Central Arkansas, Sr., 5-11, 198
LB Aaron Archie, Indiana State, Sr., 6-0, 235
LB Stephon Robertson, James Madison, Jr., 5-11, 220
LB Craig Wilkins, Old Dominion, Sr., 6-2, 225
DB Jamaal White, Northwestern State, Sr., 6-0, 192
DB Serge Kona, Duquesne, Sr., 5-11, 225
DB Jestin Love, Central Arkansas, Jr., 6-0, 204
DB Jeremy Moore, Georgetown, Sr., 5-11, 175
SPECIAL TEAMS
K Sean Baner, Delaware, Jr., 6-1, 182
P Cory Kemps, Nicholls State, Sr., 6-2, 245
KR Fabian Truss, Samford, Jr., 5-9, 190
PR Darius Drummond, South Carolina State, Jr., 5-11, 185
WALTER PAYTON WATCH
RB Zach Bauman, Northern Arizona, Jr., 5-10, 200
RB Shakir Bell, Indiana State, Jr., 5-8, 185
FB Eric Breitenstein, Wofford, Sr., 5-11, 225
QB Casey Brockman, Murray State, Sr., 6-2, 215
RB Jordan Brown, Bryant, Sr., 5-9, 185
RB Jamaine Cook, Youngstown State, Sr., 5-9, 205
RB Matt Denham, Eastern Kentucky, Sr., 5-11, 181
RB Washaun Ealey, Jacksonville State, Sr., 5-11, 215
WR Nicholas Edwards, Eastern Washington, Sr., 6-3, 200
RB Tim Flanders, Sam Houston State, Jr., 5-9, 210
QB Jeff Mathews, Cornell, Jr., 6-4, 210
QB DeNarius McGhee, Montana State, Jr., 6-0, 213
WR Aaron Mellette, Elon, Sr., 6-4, 212
RB Andrew Pierce, Delaware, Jr., 5-11, 200
WR Rodrick Rumble, Idaho State, Jr., 6-2, 201
HB Richard Sincere, Sam Houston State, Jr., 5-10, 180
RB/RS Dae’Quan Scott, James Madison, Jr., 5-9, 190
QB Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah, Sr., 6-5, 225
WR Ryan Spadola, Lehigh, Sr., 6-3, 205
RB Terrance West, Towson, Soph., 5-11, 220
Just missed: QB Kurt Hess, Youngstown State, Jr., 6-3, 235; WR Cordell Roberson, Stephen F. Austin, Sr., 6-3, 200; OT Blake Matthews, Norfolk State, Sr., 6-4, 315; RB Marcus Coker, Stony Brook, Jr., 5-11, 230; RB Cody Kirk, Montana State., Jr., 5-11, 214
BUCK BUCHANAN BATTLE
S Malcolm Bronson, McNeese State, Sr., 5-11, 192
LB Clarence Bumpas, Northern Colorado, Jr., 6-2, 244
LB Matt Evans, New Hampshire, Sr., 6-0, 219
DE Marquis Jackson, Texas Southern, Sr., 6-5, 275
CB Charles James, Charleston Southern, Sr., 5-10, 175
DE Willie Jefferson, Stephen F. Austin, Jr., 6-6, 230
LB Jeremy Kimbrough, Appalachian State, Sr., 5-11, 238
CB Demetrius McCray, Appalachian State, Sr., 6-0, 185
DT Zach Minter, Montana State, Sr., 6-1, 285
DE Ben Obaseki, Indiana State, Sr., 6-3, 235
DE Blake Oliaro, San Diego, Jr., 6-5, 250
LB Jody Owens, Montana State, Jr., 6-0, 221
LB Keith Pough, Howard, Sr., 6-3, 235
DB Kejuan Riley, Alabama State, Sr., 6-0, 208
DT Brent Russell, Georgia Southern, Sr., 6-2, 287
LB Alvin Scioneaux, Wofford, Sr., 6-2, 214
DE Tyler Starr, South Dakota, Jr., 6-5, 236
DB Darnell Taylor, Sam Houston State, Sr., 6-0, 190
DB B.W. Webb, William & Mary, Sr., 5-11, 175
DB Marcus Williams, North Dakota State, Jr., 5-11, 190
Just missed: DE Joseph Lebeau, Jackson State, Sr., 6-1, 245; LB Blake Peiffer, Southeast Missouri State, Sr., 6-1, 225; LB Wes Dothard, Chattanooga, Jr., 6-1, 235; S Jordan Dangerfield, Towson, Sr., 5-11, 185
2012 FCS PRESEASON ALL-AMERICA TEAMS
FIRST TEAM
OFFENSE
WR Aaron Mellette, Elon, Sr., 6-4, 212
WR Nicholas Edwards, Eastern Washington, Sr., 6-3, 200
WR Ryan Spadola, Lehigh, Sr., 6-3, 205
TE Colin Anderson, Furman, Sr., 6-4, 231
OL Blake Matthews, Norfolk State, Sr., 6-4, 315
OL Malcolm Boyd, Liberty, Sr., 6-4, 280
OL Earl Watford, James Madison, Sr., 6-4, 290
OL Patrick Ford, Eastern Kentucky, Sr., 6-6, 306
OL Anthony Oden, Lamar, Jr., 6-8, 305
QB Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah, Sr., 6-5, 225
RB Terrance West, Towson, Soph., 5-11, 220
RB Tim Flanders, Sam Houston State, Jr., 5-9, 210
FB Eric Breitenstein, Wofford, Sr., 5-11, 225
DEFENSE
DL Brent Russell, Georgia Southern, Sr., 6-2, 287
DL Willie Jefferson, Stephen F. Austin, Jr., 6-6, 230
DL Blake Oliaro, San Diego, Jr., 6-5, 250
DL Ben Obaseki, Indiana State, Sr., 6-3, 235
LB Matt Evans, New Hampshire, Sr., 6-0, 219
LB Keith Pough, Howard, Sr., 6-3, 235
LB Jeremy Kimbrough, Appalachian State, Sr., 5-11, 238
LB Jody Owens, Montana State, Jr., 6-0, 221
DB Marcus Williams, North Dakota State, Jr., 5-11, 190
DB Darnell Taylor, Sam Houston State, Sr., 6-0, 190
DB Kejuan Riley, Alabama State, Sr., 6-0, 208
DB B.W. Webb, William & Mary, Sr., 5-11, 175
SPECIAL TEAMS
K Zach Brown, Portland State, Sr., 6-1, 200
P Jonathan Plisco, Old Dominion, Sr., 6-0, 205
KR Kevin Fogg, Liberty, Sr., 5-10, 180
PR Gralyn Crawford, Stephen F. Austin, Sr., 5-11, 175
SECOND TEAM
OFFENSE
WR Rodrick Rumble, Idaho State, Sr., 6-2, 201
WR Cordell Roberson, Stephen F. Austin, Sr., 6-3, 200
WR Xavier Boyce, Norfolk State, Sr., 6-4, 220
TE David Duran, Coastal Carolina, Sr., 6-5, 240
OL Aaron Adams, Eastern Kentucky, Sr., 6-6, 290
OL Alex Savoie, McNeese State, Sr., 6-7, 332
OL Evan Conrad, Southeast Missouri State, Sr., 6-3, 305
OL Chris Howley, Maine, Sr., 6-3, 300
OL Dan Shirey, Villanova, Sr., 6-2, 280
QB Casey Brockman, Murray State, Sr., 6-2, 215
RB Shakir Bell, Indiana State, Jr., 5-8, 185
RB Jordan Brown, Bryant, Sr., 5-9, 185
FB Kendall Gaskins, Richmond, Sr., 6-1, 228
DEFENSE
DL Tyler Starr, South Dakota, Jr., 6-5, 236
DL Marquis Jackson, Texas Southern, Sr., 6-5, 275
DL Zach Minter, Montana State, Sr., 6-1, 285
DL Joseph Lebeau, Jackson State, Sr., 6-1, 245
LB Clarence Bumpas, Northern Colorado, Jr., 6-2, 244
LB Alvin Scioneaux, Wofford, Sr., 6-2, 214
LB Blake Peiffer, Southeast Missouri State, Sr., 6-1, 225
LB Wes Dothard, Chattanooga, Jr., 6-1, 235
DB Demetrius McCray, Appalachian State, Sr., 6-0, 185
DB Charles James, Charleston Southern, Sr., 5-10, 175
DB Jordan Dangerfield, Towson, Sr., 5-11, 185
DB Malcolm Bronson, McNeese State, Sr., 5-11, 192
SPECIAL TEAMS
K Tyler Sievertsen, Northern Iowa, Jr., 6-2, 185
P Patrick Murray, Fordham, Sr., 5-7, 160
KR AJ Cruz, Brown, Sr., 5-9, 190
PR Darius Carey, McNeese State, Sr., 6-0, 185
THIRD TEAM
OFFENSE
WR Norman White, Villanova, Sr., 6-3, 215
WR Rico Richardson, Jackson State, Sr., 6-1, 185
WR Brandon Kaufman, Eastern Washington, Sr., 6-5, 205
TE Kyle Juszczyk, Harvard, Sr., 6-3, 240
OL Danny Kistler, Montana, Jr., 6-8, 332
OL Dominique Allen, Central Arkansas, Jr., 6-3, 288
OL Terren Jones, Alabama State, Sr., 6-7, 320
OL Kadeem Williams, Albany, Jr., 6-7, 300
OL Jamaal Johnson-Webb, Alabama A&M, Sr., 6-5, 296
QB Jeff Mathews, Cornell, Jr., 6-4, 210
RB Matt Denham, Eastern Kentucky, Sr., 5-11, 181
RB Andrew Pierce, Delaware, Jr., 5-11, 200
FB Jordan Neukirch, Illinois State, Jr., 6-2, 235
DEFENSE
DL Frank Beltre, Towson, Sr., 6-3, 245
DL Emory Attig, Eastern Kentucky, Sr., 6-2, 294
DL Cody Larsen, Southern Utah, Sr., 6-4, 272
DL J.T. Cleveland, Sam Houston State, Sr., 6-0, 290
LB Seth Allison, Central Arkansas, Sr., 5-11, 198
LB Aaron Archie, Indiana State, Sr., 6-0, 235
LB Stephon Robertson, James Madison, Jr., 5-11, 220
LB Craig Wilkins, Old Dominion, Sr., 6-2, 225
DB Jamaal White, Northwestern State, Sr., 6-0, 192
DB Serge Kona, Duquesne, Sr., 5-11, 225
DB Jestin Love, Central Arkansas, Jr., 6-0, 204
DB Jeremy Moore, Georgetown, Sr., 5-11, 175
SPECIAL TEAMS
K Sean Baner, Delaware, Jr., 6-1, 182
P Cory Kemps, Nicholls State, Sr., 6-2, 245
KR Fabian Truss, Samford, Jr., 5-9, 190
PR Darius Drummond, South Carolina State, Jr., 5-11, 185
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Re: Early Preseason Payton, Buchanan, and All-America lists
Just missed: QB Kurt Hess, Youngstown State, Jr., 6-3, 235; WR Cordell Roberson, Stephen F. Austin, Sr., 6-3, 200; OT Blake Matthews, Norfolk State, Sr., 6-4, 315; RB Marcus Coker, Stony Brook, Jr., 5-11, 230; RB Cody Kirk, Montana State., Jr., 5-11, 214
Considering he's going to (probably) be playing behind Orenzo Davis AND Tray Robinson...
Considering he's going to (probably) be playing behind Orenzo Davis AND Tray Robinson...
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Didn't Shakir Bell finish 2nd in the Payton voting this last year? How would he be a 2nd team RB?
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I just don't think he is better than the other guys.DJH wrote:Didn't Shakir Bell finish 2nd in the Payton voting this last year? How would he be a 2nd team RB?
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Nice to see Bump on that list. He and Leilon Willingham will be a great LB duo in Greeley.

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Bumpas is a very good player. I think he could be special. Long arms. Runs well and does well in the box as well as chases plays.BigSkyBears wrote:Nice to see Bump on that list. He and Leilon Willingham will be a great LB duo in Greeley.
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Surprised to not see LB Zach Johnson anywhere in there... pending injury I guess.
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Yes. I would have included him had he been in my top 5-7 LBs preseason but I only had him around 15 so I will probably put him in the top 3 not on my AA list.Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:Surprised to not see LB Zach Johnson anywhere in there... pending injury I guess.
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He'd be a BB contender if he could stay healthy. Bad luck with that knee.SmallCollegeFBFan wrote:Yes. I would have included him had he been in my top 5-7 LBs preseason but I only had him around 15 so I will probably put him in the top 3 not on my AA list.Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:Surprised to not see LB Zach Johnson anywhere in there... pending injury I guess.

Re: Early Preseason Payton, Buchanan, and All-America lists
Player A: 1670 rush yards (7.44 ypc) 110 recieving yards 42 KOR yards 1822 total 167.55 YPG 7.44 yards per play 245 total playsSmallCollegeFBFan wrote:I just don't think he is better than the other guys.DJH wrote:Didn't Shakir Bell finish 2nd in the Payton voting this last year? How would he be a 2nd team RB?
Player B: 1294 rush yards (5.52ypr) 25 recieving yards 0 KOR yards 1319 total 119.91 YPG 6.63 yards per play 199 total plays
Player C: 1644 rush yards (6.6ypr) 414 recieving yards 0 KOR yards 2058 total 137.20 YPG 6.20 yards per play 332 total plays
Looking at that who do you pick? Who is who in spoil
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Re: Early Preseason Payton, Buchanan, and All-America lists
Also when it comes to the Payton award you posted this on AGS
Someone asked me who my top 5 would be for each award. Here they are in no particular order.:
WALTER PAYTON WATCH
RB Shakir Bell, Indiana State, Jr., 5-8, 185
FB Eric Breitenstein, Wofford, Sr., 5-11, 225
RB Tim Flanders, Sam Houston State, Jr., 5-9, 210
WR Aaron Mellette, Elon, Sr., 6-4, 212
QB Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah, Sr., 6-5, 225
How is Bell at the top of that list, but can't get 1st team consideration?
Someone asked me who my top 5 would be for each award. Here they are in no particular order.:
WALTER PAYTON WATCH
RB Shakir Bell, Indiana State, Jr., 5-8, 185
FB Eric Breitenstein, Wofford, Sr., 5-11, 225
RB Tim Flanders, Sam Houston State, Jr., 5-9, 210
WR Aaron Mellette, Elon, Sr., 6-4, 212
QB Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah, Sr., 6-5, 225
How is Bell at the top of that list, but can't get 1st team consideration?
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Where did this list come from? There a link?
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It's his list.BDKJMU wrote:Where did this list come from? There a link?
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Oh. OK.clenz wrote:It's his list.BDKJMU wrote:Where did this list come from? There a link?
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No mention of ODU's Heinikie. This will not go over well when Norfolk wakes up.
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I fully expect him to be on this list in a year from now. The three QBs I have on the list are all returning All-Americans or players of the year in their leagues. I also believe two of the three will play on Sundays. The ODU kid is very good but I would have put McGhee as 4th team of him as well.andy7171 wrote:No mention of ODU's Heinikie. This will not go over well when Norfolk wakes up.
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It will be interesting to see what happens for Edwards with Brandon Kaufmann returning to EWU's line-up. You would think that both of their numbers suffer but they both have tremendous talent. Not that a WR has a realistic shot at winning the Payton anyway.
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Jeff Mathews is the real deal. IF Cornell finds a defense, this could finally be the year that Cornell seriously challenges for the Ivy title.*
* Although we all know that Cornell, like Penn, isn't really part of the Ivy League.
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Mathews is definitely the real deal. I think he and Sorensen will both play in the NFL. Mathews is the best Ivy League NFL prospect at QB in the last 10 years, IMO.Ivytalk wrote:Jeff Mathews is the real deal. IF Cornell finds a defense, this could finally be the year that Cornell seriously challenges for the Ivy title.*
* Although we all know that Cornell, like Penn, isn't really part of the Ivy League.
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clenz wrote:Also when it comes to the Payton award you posted this on AGS
Someone asked me who my top 5 would be for each award. Here they are in no particular order.:
WALTER PAYTON WATCH
RB Shakir Bell, Indiana State, Jr., 5-8, 185
FB Eric Breitenstein, Wofford, Sr., 5-11, 225
RB Tim Flanders, Sam Houston State, Jr., 5-9, 210
WR Aaron Mellette, Elon, Sr., 6-4, 212
QB Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah, Sr., 6-5, 225
How is Bell at the top of that list, but can't get 1st team consideration?

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Re: Early Preseason Payton, Buchanan, and All-America lists
The only reason I don't have West in the top 5 is because he is a sophomore. If he were a junior or senior he would be.pantherrob82 wrote:clenz wrote:Also when it comes to the Payton award you posted this on AGS
Someone asked me who my top 5 would be for each award. Here they are in no particular order.:
WALTER PAYTON WATCH
RB Shakir Bell, Indiana State, Jr., 5-8, 185
FB Eric Breitenstein, Wofford, Sr., 5-11, 225
RB Tim Flanders, Sam Houston State, Jr., 5-9, 210
WR Aaron Mellette, Elon, Sr., 6-4, 212
QB Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah, Sr., 6-5, 225
How is Bell at the top of that list, but can't get 1st team consideration?
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Re: Early Preseason Payton, Buchanan, and All-America lists
None of whom led their team to the playoffs or were really difference makers in big games... Heineke was.SmallCollegeFBFan wrote:I fully expect him to be on this list in a year from now. The three QBs I have on the list are all returning All-Americans or players of the year in their leagues. I also believe two of the three will play on Sundays. The ODU kid is very good but I would have put McGhee as 4th team of him as well.andy7171 wrote:No mention of ODU's Heinikie. This will not go over well when Norfolk wakes up.
Stats are one thing... making the big plays that lead one's team to wins in arguably the best conference in the country and leading a start up to a playoff birth and a playoff win is quite another.
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Can't put that just on the QB's head. Playoffs are a team accomplishment. I can safely say that without the 3 QBs I named their teams would not have had the records they had. I thought what Heineke did was impressive and he is certainly a top 5 QB but I just don't think you can say it is a huge snub if he is not in the top 3.blueballs wrote:None of whom led their team to the playoffs or were really difference makers in big games... Heineke was.SmallCollegeFBFan wrote:
I fully expect him to be on this list in a year from now. The three QBs I have on the list are all returning All-Americans or players of the year in their leagues. I also believe two of the three will play on Sundays. The ODU kid is very good but I would have put McGhee as 4th team of him as well.
Stats are one thing... making the big plays that lead one's team to wins in arguably the best conference in the country and leading a start up to a playoff birth and a playoff win is quite another.
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Isn't this Bretenstein's 7th year? I swear to god...when is that dude leaving.... 

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Want to see what Spadola does this yr someone stated he's run a sub 4.4 wonder what type of offense Lehigh runs just curious?SmallCollegeFBFan wrote:EARLY PAYTON, BUCHANAN WATCH LISTS
WALTER PAYTON WATCH
RB Zach Bauman, Northern Arizona, Jr., 5-10, 200
RB Shakir Bell, Indiana State, Jr., 5-8, 185
FB Eric Breitenstein, Wofford, Sr., 5-11, 225
QB Casey Brockman, Murray State, Sr., 6-2, 215
RB Jordan Brown, Bryant, Sr., 5-9, 185
RB Jamaine Cook, Youngstown State, Sr., 5-9, 205
RB Matt Denham, Eastern Kentucky, Sr., 5-11, 181
RB Washaun Ealey, Jacksonville State, Sr., 5-11, 215
WR Nicholas Edwards, Eastern Washington, Sr., 6-3, 200
RB Tim Flanders, Sam Houston State, Jr., 5-9, 210
QB Jeff Mathews, Cornell, Jr., 6-4, 210
QB DeNarius McGhee, Montana State, Jr., 6-0, 213
WR Aaron Mellette, Elon, Sr., 6-4, 212
RB Andrew Pierce, Delaware, Jr., 5-11, 200
WR Rodrick Rumble, Idaho State, Jr., 6-2, 201
HB Richard Sincere, Sam Houston State, Jr., 5-10, 180
RB/RS Dae’Quan Scott, James Madison, Jr., 5-9, 190
QB Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah, Sr., 6-5, 225
WR Ryan Spadola, Lehigh, Sr., 6-3, 205
RB Terrance West, Towson, Soph., 5-11, 220
Just missed: QB Kurt Hess, Youngstown State, Jr., 6-3, 235; WR Cordell Roberson, Stephen F. Austin, Sr., 6-3, 200; OT Blake Matthews, Norfolk State, Sr., 6-4, 315; RB Marcus Coker, Stony Brook, Jr., 5-11, 230; RB Cody Kirk, Montana State., Jr., 5-11, 214
BUCK BUCHANAN BATTLE
S Malcolm Bronson, McNeese State, Sr., 5-11, 192
LB Clarence Bumpas, Northern Colorado, Jr., 6-2, 244
LB Matt Evans, New Hampshire, Sr., 6-0, 219
DE Marquis Jackson, Texas Southern, Sr., 6-5, 275
CB Charles James, Charleston Southern, Sr., 5-10, 175
DE Willie Jefferson, Stephen F. Austin, Jr., 6-6, 230
LB Jeremy Kimbrough, Appalachian State, Sr., 5-11, 238
CB Demetrius McCray, Appalachian State, Sr., 6-0, 185
DT Zach Minter, Montana State, Sr., 6-1, 285
DE Ben Obaseki, Indiana State, Sr., 6-3, 235
DE Blake Oliaro, San Diego, Jr., 6-5, 250
LB Jody Owens, Montana State, Jr., 6-0, 221
LB Keith Pough, Howard, Sr., 6-3, 235
DB Kejuan Riley, Alabama State, Sr., 6-0, 208
DT Brent Russell, Georgia Southern, Sr., 6-2, 287
LB Alvin Scioneaux, Wofford, Sr., 6-2, 214
DE Tyler Starr, South Dakota, Jr., 6-5, 236
DB Darnell Taylor, Sam Houston State, Sr., 6-0, 190
DB B.W. Webb, William & Mary, Sr., 5-11, 175
DB Marcus Williams, North Dakota State, Jr., 5-11, 190
Just missed: DE Joseph Lebeau, Jackson State, Sr., 6-1, 245; LB Blake Peiffer, Southeast Missouri State, Sr., 6-1, 225; LB Wes Dothard, Chattanooga, Jr., 6-1, 235; S Jordan Dangerfield, Towson, Sr., 5-11, 185
2012 FCS PRESEASON ALL-AMERICA TEAMS
FIRST TEAM
OFFENSE
WR Aaron Mellette, Elon, Sr., 6-4, 212
WR Nicholas Edwards, Eastern Washington, Sr., 6-3, 200
WR Ryan Spadola, Lehigh, Sr., 6-3, 205
TE Colin Anderson, Furman, Sr., 6-4, 231
OL Blake Matthews, Norfolk State, Sr., 6-4, 315
OL Malcolm Boyd, Liberty, Sr., 6-4, 280
OL Earl Watford, James Madison, Sr., 6-4, 290
OL Patrick Ford, Eastern Kentucky, Sr., 6-6, 306
OL Anthony Oden, Lamar, Jr., 6-8, 305
QB Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah, Sr., 6-5, 225
RB Terrance West, Towson, Soph., 5-11, 220
RB Tim Flanders, Sam Houston State, Jr., 5-9, 210
FB Eric Breitenstein, Wofford, Sr., 5-11, 225
DEFENSE
DL Brent Russell, Georgia Southern, Sr., 6-2, 287
DL Willie Jefferson, Stephen F. Austin, Jr., 6-6, 230
DL Blake Oliaro, San Diego, Jr., 6-5, 250
DL Ben Obaseki, Indiana State, Sr., 6-3, 235
LB Matt Evans, New Hampshire, Sr., 6-0, 219
LB Keith Pough, Howard, Sr., 6-3, 235
LB Jeremy Kimbrough, Appalachian State, Sr., 5-11, 238
LB Jody Owens, Montana State, Jr., 6-0, 221
DB Marcus Williams, North Dakota State, Jr., 5-11, 190
DB Darnell Taylor, Sam Houston State, Sr., 6-0, 190
DB Kejuan Riley, Alabama State, Sr., 6-0, 208
DB B.W. Webb, William & Mary, Sr., 5-11, 175
SPECIAL TEAMS
K Zach Brown, Portland State, Sr., 6-1, 200
P Jonathan Plisco, Old Dominion, Sr., 6-0, 205
KR Kevin Fogg, Liberty, Sr., 5-10, 180
PR Gralyn Crawford, Stephen F. Austin, Sr., 5-11, 175
SECOND TEAM
OFFENSE
WR Rodrick Rumble, Idaho State, Sr., 6-2, 201
WR Cordell Roberson, Stephen F. Austin, Sr., 6-3, 200
WR Xavier Boyce, Norfolk State, Sr., 6-4, 220
TE David Duran, Coastal Carolina, Sr., 6-5, 240
OL Aaron Adams, Eastern Kentucky, Sr., 6-6, 290
OL Alex Savoie, McNeese State, Sr., 6-7, 332
OL Evan Conrad, Southeast Missouri State, Sr., 6-3, 305
OL Chris Howley, Maine, Sr., 6-3, 300
OL Dan Shirey, Villanova, Sr., 6-2, 280
QB Casey Brockman, Murray State, Sr., 6-2, 215
RB Shakir Bell, Indiana State, Jr., 5-8, 185
RB Jordan Brown, Bryant, Sr., 5-9, 185
FB Kendall Gaskins, Richmond, Sr., 6-1, 228
DEFENSE
DL Tyler Starr, South Dakota, Jr., 6-5, 236
DL Marquis Jackson, Texas Southern, Sr., 6-5, 275
DL Zach Minter, Montana State, Sr., 6-1, 285
DL Joseph Lebeau, Jackson State, Sr., 6-1, 245
LB Clarence Bumpas, Northern Colorado, Jr., 6-2, 244
LB Alvin Scioneaux, Wofford, Sr., 6-2, 214
LB Blake Peiffer, Southeast Missouri State, Sr., 6-1, 225
LB Wes Dothard, Chattanooga, Jr., 6-1, 235
DB Demetrius McCray, Appalachian State, Sr., 6-0, 185
DB Charles James, Charleston Southern, Sr., 5-10, 175
DB Jordan Dangerfield, Towson, Sr., 5-11, 185
DB Malcolm Bronson, McNeese State, Sr., 5-11, 192
SPECIAL TEAMS
K Tyler Sievertsen, Northern Iowa, Jr., 6-2, 185
P Patrick Murray, Fordham, Sr., 5-7, 160
KR AJ Cruz, Brown, Sr., 5-9, 190
PR Darius Carey, McNeese State, Sr., 6-0, 185
THIRD TEAM
OFFENSE
WR Norman White, Villanova, Sr., 6-3, 215
WR Rico Richardson, Jackson State, Sr., 6-1, 185
WR Brandon Kaufman, Eastern Washington, Sr., 6-5, 205
TE Kyle Juszczyk, Harvard, Sr., 6-3, 240
OL Danny Kistler, Montana, Jr., 6-8, 332
OL Dominique Allen, Central Arkansas, Jr., 6-3, 288
OL Terren Jones, Alabama State, Sr., 6-7, 320
OL Kadeem Williams, Albany, Jr., 6-7, 300
OL Jamaal Johnson-Webb, Alabama A&M, Sr., 6-5, 296
QB Jeff Mathews, Cornell, Jr., 6-4, 210
RB Matt Denham, Eastern Kentucky, Sr., 5-11, 181
RB Andrew Pierce, Delaware, Jr., 5-11, 200
FB Jordan Neukirch, Illinois State, Jr., 6-2, 235
DEFENSE
DL Frank Beltre, Towson, Sr., 6-3, 245
DL Emory Attig, Eastern Kentucky, Sr., 6-2, 294
DL Cody Larsen, Southern Utah, Sr., 6-4, 272
DL J.T. Cleveland, Sam Houston State, Sr., 6-0, 290
LB Seth Allison, Central Arkansas, Sr., 5-11, 198
LB Aaron Archie, Indiana State, Sr., 6-0, 235
LB Stephon Robertson, James Madison, Jr., 5-11, 220
LB Craig Wilkins, Old Dominion, Sr., 6-2, 225
DB Jamaal White, Northwestern State, Sr., 6-0, 192
DB Serge Kona, Duquesne, Sr., 5-11, 225
DB Jestin Love, Central Arkansas, Jr., 6-0, 204
DB Jeremy Moore, Georgetown, Sr., 5-11, 175
SPECIAL TEAMS
K Sean Baner, Delaware, Jr., 6-1, 182
P Cory Kemps, Nicholls State, Sr., 6-2, 245
KR Fabian Truss, Samford, Jr., 5-9, 190
PR Darius Drummond, South Carolina State, Jr., 5-11, 185