Georgia So Students vote to increase fees for stadium, FBS

[BlackFalkin]

FBs unknowns. 50 years of 3-9 before the Orville Reddenbocker Bowl.

agreed. What do u gain from moving up?

[Pwns]

FBs unknowns. 50 years of 3-9 before the Orville Reddenbocker Bowl.

Where do you think we'd be going, the Big East?

The Sun Belt's record with the SLC is close to even. No reason we can't compete right away there.

[rkwittem]

Without a true market, GSU would do itself a favor by ditching that boring, sleep inducing run offense that no football fan outside of Statesboro wants to see in favor of a more balanced pass friendly attack. You can vote for FBS all you want. That running shit ain't gonna get you into the FBS. I guarantee you it won't.

Paul Johnson does not approve...and neither does his ACC Championship trophy. Georgia Southern's offense is anything but sleep-inducing. It would probably be unique at the FBS level, if they move up. It's still similar to what Navy and GT run, but they used a lot more different formations than those two schools did that I saw when they played NDSU last year. I'm not a GSU fan, but I have no problems with saying that their offense is one of my favorites to watch. Who wants to watch a 7-on-7 drill like Old Dominion's offense when you can watch 11 men play versus 11 men on every play?

My point here is simple: it's asinine to assume that "no one outside of Statesboro" wants to see their offense. Some fans still like watching a team run the ball. I do. It's still the best way to win in college football. I know you said "balanced" but again, GSU only needs the threat of a pass to keep defenses honest...and this offense has worked in the ACC. It'll work wherever GSU lands.

Upon further review, this might be one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen on here. Only an idiot would think that style of offense matters when it comes to changing divisions. Plus, the holier-than-thou tone when it came to his comments about GSU's offense really irritate me. Uh, maybe Old Dominion could win a conference or national title before they talk shit about GSU? Just throwing that out there....

[blueballs]

Without a true market, GSU would do itself a favor by ditching that boring, sleep inducing run offense that no football fan outside of Statesboro wants to see in favor of a more balanced pass friendly attack. You can vote for FBS all you want. That running shit ain't gonna get you into the FBS. I guarantee you it won't.

You may be a moron but you're exactly right! No offense will get you into FBS, money will and that is what the vote was about. Period.

As for the statement that a running team can't be successful in FBS, that is a load of shit. Oregon seems to being doing just fine with their run first scheme, and any moron- well, not just any moron because you seem to not understand this- knows that the easiest way to be successful in football is to be able to run and stop the run.

BTW... 21k folks showed up in the rain last night in the "untrue market."

[Sirloin Burger]

lol, I'm trying to help you get into the FBS. Not once did I say I was against GSU moving up. I didn't mean to hurt anyones feelings.

But all you do is run the ball. With no market, you have to be able to sell yourself to the regular fan outside of Statesboro. The last thing an FBS conference wants is fans switching channels because of a boring football team that runs the ball. App State averages more fans and plays a balanced offense but guess what's preventing them from joining the ranks of the FBS......market.

No one cares about your national titles. GSU fans said so by wanting to go to the FBS. No one cares about the FCS.

There is no compelling reason for any conference to add GSU. So the only thing it can do is market itself as "fun to watch" exciting football which at this point is not. I was just giving some advice even though at this point it probably doesn't matter.

With Notre Dame going to the ACC and the BE & MAC only needing another program, conference musical chairs is pretty much over. The Sun Belt has stated they have put a freeze on expansion. CUSA said there are no plans for 16.

Good luck.

[SuperHornet]

Global superlatives, particularly negative ones, are almost always wrong, Sirloin. That's true in this case as well. "No one" cares about the FCS? You can't prove that. The presence of this board is clear evidence against that. We went through this with kw. You can easily show that there exist people who don't like anything below FBS (or even B(C)$). But you patently can NOT show that there are NO fans of FCS, D-II, D-III, or NAIA. Those divisions would not exist otherwise. Clearly, there ARE people who care for FCS football. I'm sorry if you're not one of them. So the networks don't agree with us? That still doesn't prove the premise, and it can't prove the premise because it is FALSE.

[clenz]

Without a true market, GSU would do itself a favor by ditching that boring, sleep inducing run offense that no football fan outside of Statesboro wants to see in favor of a more balanced pass friendly attack. You can vote for FBS all you want. That running shit ain't gonna get you into the FBS. I guarantee you it won't.

Paul Johnson does not approve...and neither does his ACC Championship trophy.

Georgia Tech has no ACC football titles.....

[blueballs]

Paul Johnson does not approve...and neither does his ACC Championship trophy.

Georgia Tech has no ACC football titles.....

Tech won the ACC under Paul Johnson in 2009. GSU's current head coach Jeff Monken and former head coach Mike Sewak were both on Johnson's staff that year.

[Baldy]

lol, I'm trying to help you get into the FBS. Not once did I say I was against GSU moving up. I didn't mean to hurt anyones feelings.

But all you do is run the ball. With no market, you have to be able to sell yourself to the regular fan outside of Statesboro. The last thing an FBS conference wants is fans switching channels because of a boring football team that runs the ball. App State averages more fans and plays a balanced offense but guess what's preventing them from joining the ranks of the FBS......market.

No one cares about your national titles. GSU fans said so by wanting to go to the FBS. No one cares about the FCS.

There is no compelling reason for any conference to add GSU. So the only thing it can do is market itself as "fun to watch" exciting football which at this point is not. I was just giving some advice even though at this point it probably doesn't matter.

With Notre Dame going to the ACC and the BE & MAC only needing another program, conference musical chairs is pretty much over. The Sun Belt has stated they have put a freeze on expansion. CUSA said there are no plans for 16.

Good luck.

"market"

Georgia Southern is the #3 college football team in the football factory state of Georgia...the entire state is our "market". Everyone in the state knows who and where we are, and we have 14 radio affiliates covering every corner of the state. Just skimming a few comparables in the the Sun Belt...MTSU has 4 radio affiliates, Troy 9, and LA Lafayette has 7. It's not just what we can bring to the Sun Belt now, our potential is pretty much limitless.

[Sirloin Burger]

lol, I'm trying to help you get into the FBS. Not once did I say I was against GSU moving up. I didn't mean to hurt anyones feelings.

But all you do is run the ball. With no market, you have to be able to sell yourself to the regular fan outside of Statesboro. The last thing an FBS conference wants is fans switching channels because of a boring football team that runs the ball. App State averages more fans and plays a balanced offense but guess what's preventing them from joining the ranks of the FBS......market.

No one cares about your national titles. GSU fans said so by wanting to go to the FBS. No one cares about the FCS.

There is no compelling reason for any conference to add GSU. So the only thing it can do is market itself as "fun to watch" exciting football which at this point is not. I was just giving some advice even though at this point it probably doesn't matter.

With Notre Dame going to the ACC and the BE & MAC only needing another program, conference musical chairs is pretty much over. The Sun Belt has stated they have put a freeze on expansion. CUSA said there are no plans for 16.

Good luck.

"market"

Georgia Southern is the #3 college football team in the football factory state of Georgia...the entire state is our "market". Everyone in the state knows who and where we are, and we have 14 radio affiliates covering every corner of the state. Just skimming a few comparables in the the Sun Belt...MTSU has 4 radio affiliates, Troy 9, and LA Lafayette has 7. It's not just what we can bring to the Sun Belt now, our potential is pretty much limitless.

Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

DMA - Designated Market Area

Statesboro is not even listed. You don't own the Atlanta Market or any other market outside of Statesboro. You're not even listed as a market.

http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corp ... ration.pdf

There are other tangibles like quality of facilities and quality of athletics but market is king.

[clenz]

Georgia Tech has no ACC football titles.....

Tech won the ACC under Paul Johnson in 2009. GSU's current head coach Jeff Monken and former head coach Mike Sewak were both on Johnson's staff that year.

I stand by my Tech has no ACC titles in their trophy case.....

[SuperHornet]

If "market penetration" were that important, Sirloin, then much of the FBS would be left high and dry. Pullman is NOTHING compared to Seattle. Bloomington isn't squat compared to Indy. Madison has NOTHING on Milwaukee. Pretty much ANY place in AL or MS isn't all that big. Yet within FBS, all of these places seem to hold their own.

Your "market penetration" argument holds no water, Sirloin....

[clenz]

If "market penetration" were that important, Sirloin, then much of the FBS would be left high and dry. Pullman is NOTHING compared to Seattle. Bloomington isn't squat compared to Indy. Madison has NOTHING on Milwaukee. Pretty much ANY place in AL or MS isn't all that big. Yet within FBS, all of these places seem to hold their own.

Your "market penetration" argument holds no water, Sirloin....

They have all been FBS since the start of football - their academics also fit very much into the extremly high standards of their conference - at least in the case of IU and B1G

[Baldy]

Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

DMA - Designated Market Area

Statesboro is not even listed. You don't own the Atlanta Market or any other market outside of Statesboro. You're not even listed as a market.

http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corp ... ration.pdf

There are other tangibles like quality of facilities and quality of athletics but market is king.

Here is a geography lesson for you. Bulloch County (Statesboro) is a part of the Savannah and Augusta DMA's. Combined, they total almost 600,000 households....solidly in the top 60 markets in the US.

[D1B]

If "market penetration" were that important, Sirloin, then much of the FBS would be left high and dry. Pullman is NOTHING compared to Seattle. Bloomington isn't squat compared to Indy. Madison has NOTHING on Milwaukee. Pretty much ANY place in AL or MS isn't all that big. Yet within FBS, all of these places seem to hold their own.

Your "market penetration" argument holds no water, Sirloin....

You know, SuperHornet, you are an asshat, SuperHornet.

[Grizalltheway]

If "market penetration" were that important, Sirloin, then much of the FBS would be left high and dry. Pullman is NOTHING compared to Seattle. Bloomington isn't squat compared to Indy. Madison has NOTHING on Milwaukee. Pretty much ANY place in AL or MS isn't all that big. Yet within FBS, all of these places seem to hold their own.

Your "market penetration" argument holds no water, Sirloin....

You realize there are plenty of WSU alums outside of Pullman who support the program, right? They just played a "home" game in Seattle, FFS.

[Sirloin Burger]

If "market penetration" were that important, Sirloin, then much of the FBS would be left high and dry. Pullman is NOTHING compared to Seattle. Bloomington isn't squat compared to Indy. Madison has NOTHING on Milwaukee. Pretty much ANY place in AL or MS isn't all that big. Yet within FBS, all of these places seem to hold their own.

Your "market penetration" argument holds no water, Sirloin....

Like clenz said, these programs have been playing for decades. They are not FCS programs attempting to make a jump to the FBS in this financial era. They are considered name brands and their popularity extends well beyond their market.

Nebraska was chosen by the Big 10 because it is a brand name.

A Big 10 game will be televised nationally. A game with Georgia Southern will be on local radio.

Sorry Baldy, G South is not the 3rd program in Georgia. Georgia State is.

[Sirloin Burger]

Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

DMA - Designated Market Area

Statesboro is not even listed. You don't own the Atlanta Market or any other market outside of Statesboro. You're not even listed as a market.

http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corp ... ration.pdf

There are other tangibles like quality of facilities and quality of athletics but market is king.

Here is a geography lesson for you. Bulloch County (Statesboro) is a part of the Savannah and Augusta DMA's. Combined, they total almost 600,000 households....solidly in the top 60 markets in the US.

Sorry it is not. Savanna is DMA Savanna. Augusta is DMA Augusta-Aiken.

[Skjellyfetti]

Here is a geography lesson for you. Bulloch County (Statesboro) is a part of the Savannah and Augusta DMA's. Combined, they total almost 600,000 households....solidly in the top 60 markets in the US.

And Appalachian is in Charlotte's DMA.

Doesn't matter to conferences, though. They'd rather have shit programs like Charlotte and Georgia State.

[SuperHornet]

If "market penetration" were that important, Sirloin, then much of the FBS would be left high and dry. Pullman is NOTHING compared to Seattle. Bloomington isn't squat compared to Indy. Madison has NOTHING on Milwaukee. Pretty much ANY place in AL or MS isn't all that big. Yet within FBS, all of these places seem to hold their own.

Your "market penetration" argument holds no water, Sirloin....

They have all been FBS since the start of football - their academics also fit very much into the extremly high standards of their conference - at least in the case of IU and B1G

Exactly, clenz. Factors that rate higher than "market penetration."

[Baldy]

Sorry Baldy, G South is not the 3rd program in Georgia. Georgia State is.

Sure

[dbackjon]

If "market penetration" were that important, Sirloin, then much of the FBS would be left high and dry. Pullman is NOTHING compared to Seattle. Bloomington isn't squat compared to Indy. Madison has NOTHING on Milwaukee. Pretty much ANY place in AL or MS isn't all that big. Yet within FBS, all of these places seem to hold their own.

Your "market penetration" argument holds no water, Sirloin....

Sorry Baldy, G South is not the 3rd program in Georgia. Georgia State is.

Ok - you are on crack with this statement.

Georgia State can't even get 10k in there "stadium"

Georgia State has less of a following than West Georgia or Valdosta State. Hell, I bet Mercer's non-schollie team will generate more excitement than the Train Wreck down the street from GA Tech.

[Baldy]

Here is a geography lesson for you. Bulloch County (Statesboro) is a part of the Savannah and Augusta DMA's. Combined, they total almost 600,000 households....solidly in the top 60 markets in the US.

Sorry it is not. Savanna is DMA Savanna. Augusta is DMA Augusta-Aiken.

You could be right, because I've never heard of this "Savanna" place you're talking about.

As far as Savannah, GA is concerned, it's DMA includes 19 counties, of which Bulloch County is one.



Instead of trying to argue with someone who was in the TV business and had to deal with DMA's for several years, AND obviously knows way more about this than you ever will, just sit back and learn a little something.

[Sirloin Burger]

Sorry it is not. Savanna is DMA Savanna. Augusta is DMA Augusta-Aiken.

You could be right, because I've never heard of this "Savanna" place you're talking about.

As far as Savannah, GA is concerned, it's DMA includes 19 counties, of which Bulloch County is one.



Instead of trying to argue with someone who was in the TV business and had to deal with DMA's for several years, AND obviously knows way more about this than you ever will, just sit back and learn a little something.

On the internet anyone can be what they want to be lol

There are 2 rankings.
Population areas (Metropolitan Statistical Area) MSA - Savannah-Hinesville-Fort Stewart, GA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Me ... ical_Areas

TV viewing area (Designated Market Area) DMA - Savannah
http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corp ... ration.pdf

Statesboro is not part of either list.

[SuperHornet]

Sure