Georgia So Students vote to increase fees for stadium, FBS

[Baldy]

You could be right, because I've never heard of this "Savanna" place you're talking about.

As far as Savannah, GA is concerned, it's DMA includes 19 counties, of which Bulloch County is one.



Instead of trying to argue with someone who was in the TV business and had to deal with DMA's for several years, AND obviously knows way more about this than you ever will, just sit back and learn a little something.

On the internet anyone can be what they want to be lol

There are 2 rankings.
Population areas (Metropolitan Statistical Area) MSA - Savannah-Hinesville-Fort Stewart, GA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Me ... ical_Areas

TV viewing area (Designated Market Area) DMA - Savannah
http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corp ... ration.pdf

Statesboro is not part of either list.

MSA? Sorry, MSA's have nothing to do with DMA's.
On the internet, people can also be as ignorant as they want to be without repercussions.

Here is another lesson for you about the Savannah, GA DMA.
http://www.krgspec.com/DMAOverview.cfm?AreaID=285

Why is it so hard for you to understand?
You do realize that every county in the United States (including Bulloch County) is in a DMA, correct?

[SuperHornet]

He just can't get past the fact that the NAME of the City of Statesboro doesn't appear on a list. God forbid that someone refer to the COUNTY name in referencing a DMA.

[Sirloin Burger]

I didn't say MSA had anything to do with DMA. I wanted to show you that Statesboro or Bollocks belongs to neither list.

Statesboro may be in a county in a DMA in the Savannah market but the question remains. Does GSU have anything of value to bring to an FBS conference? The answer is no.

I just don't see anyone interested in GSU.

[Sirloin Burger]

He just can't get past the fact that the NAME of the City of Statesboro doesn't appear on a list. God forbid that someone refer to the COUNTY name in referencing a DMA.

It's a hard sell when your city isn't even listed in any DMA ranking. Georgia State doesn't have that problem. And that's really my point. GSU really has no package to offer any FBS conference. Its facilities are bad, its basketball is bad. Its football is boring. If I had to choose small market programs, I'd probably choose JMU and Delaware. Much better than what GSU has to offer.

[eagleskins]

Market is not going to mean anything to Georgia State when they don't have a program in 5 years. The whole market thing is just dumb, and will soon prove to be foolhardy. Georgia State commands 0 percent of their market, or whatever market they would happen to be a part of. If market meant that much, the Big East would be BEGGING St Johns and Georgetown, both in bigger markets than the fake GSU, to join immediately. And both those teams have had football programs for a long, long time.

[SuperHornet]

Market is not going to mean anything to Georgia State when they don't have a program in 5 years. The whole market thing is just dumb, and will soon prove to be foolhardy. Georgia State commands 0 percent of their market, or whatever market they would happen to be a part of. If market meant that much, the Big East would be BEGGING St Johns and Georgetown, both in bigger markets than the fake GSU, to join immediately. And both those teams have had football programs for a long, long time.

[mrklean]

Without a true market, GSU would do itself a favor by ditching that boring, sleep inducing run offense that no football fan outside of Statesboro wants to see in favor of a more balanced pass friendly attack. You can vote for FBS all you want. That running **** ain't gonna get you into the FBS. I guarantee you it won't.

We kicked your azz running Flebone option attack. And we have 6 NC Flags

[mrklean]

He just can't get past the fact that the NAME of the City of Statesboro doesn't appear on a list. God forbid that someone refer to the COUNTY name in referencing a DMA.

It's a hard sell when your city isn't even listed in any DMA ranking. Georgia State doesn't have that problem. And that's really my point. GSU really has no package to offer any FBS conference. Its facilities are bad, its basketball is bad. Its football is boring. If I had to choose small market programs, I'd probably choose JMU and Delaware. Much better than what GSU has to offer.

70% of the GSU alumni live within 70 miles of that Atlanta Metro area. We have a Market.....SIR!!!!

[CID1990]

I wish GSU all the luck in the world if they go up, but I am pessimistic about what will happen to them in FBS. They are a much more storied program in terms of their presence in FCS, and have so much more to play for in this league. I think many programs believe they have a shot at being the next Boise State, but in reality, at least in the saturated east coast markets, the best most programs can do is best personified in what has happened with Marshall and Central Florida. I'm sure this is contentious and plenty people will argue this point for and against.

All that said, if GSU goes I'll be sorry to see them go.

[mrklean]

I wish GSU all the luck in the world if they go up, but I am pessimistic about what will happen to them in FBS. They are a much more storied program in terms of their presence in FCS, and have so much more to play for in this league. I think many programs believe they have a shot at being the next Boise State, but in reality, at least in the saturated east coast markets, the best most programs can do is best personified in what has happened with Marshall and Central Florida. I'm sure this is contentious and plenty people will argue this point for and against.

All that said, if GSU goes I'll be sorry to see them go.

What else can we do in FCS?? We have 6 titles. GSU should no longer be in the Shadow of UGA.

[ASUG8]

Without a true market, GSU would do itself a favor by ditching that boring, sleep inducing run offense that no football fan outside of Statesboro wants to see in favor of a more balanced pass friendly attack. You can vote for FBS all you want. That running shit ain't gonna get you into the FBS. I guarantee you it won't.

You ever heard of Georgia Tech?

[Baldy]

I wish GSU all the luck in the world if they go up, but I am pessimistic about what will happen to them in FBS. They are a much more storied program in terms of their presence in FCS, and have so much more to play for in this league. I think many programs believe they have a shot at being the next Boise State, but in reality, at least in the saturated east coast markets, the best most programs can do is best personified in what has happened with Marshall and Central Florida. I'm sure this is contentious and plenty people will argue this point for and against.

All that said, if GSU goes I'll be sorry to see them go.

The main difference between GSU and those two you mentioned...especially Marshall is that we have our own little niche in Georgia. The state of GA only has 2 FBS programs, but is one of the top 4 or 5 "football factories" in the nation. There are a lot of kids who leave this state to go play college football in surrounding states. Case in point, Georgia had 165 kids sign LOI's to play FBS football. I don't think all those kids went to UGA or Tech. Only a fool would think that we can go toe to toe with the neighboring SEC schools for these recruits, but I have no doubt we can keep a few of the kids in state who would choose the Ol' Misses or the Mississippi States or Kentucky, or North Carolinas, NC States, etc. of the FBS world.

[D1B]

I wish GSU all the luck in the world if they go up, but I am pessimistic about what will happen to them in FBS. They are a much more storied program in terms of their presence in FCS, and have so much more to play for in this league. I think many programs believe they have a shot at being the next Boise State, but in reality, at least in the saturated east coast markets, the best most programs can do is best personified in what has happened with Marshall and Central Florida. I'm sure this is contentious and plenty people will argue this point for and against.

All that said, if GSU goes I'll be sorry to see them go.

The main difference between GSU and those two you mentioned...especially Marshall is that we have our own little niche in Georgia. The state of GA only has 2 FBS programs, but is one of the top 4 or 5 "football factories" in the nation. There are a lot of kids who leave this state to go play college football in surrounding states. Case in point, Georgia had 165 kids sign LOI's to play FBS football. I don't think all those kids went to UGA or Tech. Only a fool would think that we can go toe to toe with the neighboring SEC schools for these recruits, but I have no doubt we can keep a few of the kids in state who would choose the Ol' Misses or the Mississippi States or Kentucky, or North Carolinas, NC States, etc. of the FBS world.

Have you seen your campus? Now compare it to Kentucky. Got it? Okay, now take a look at your football facilities - now compare it to North Carolina or any ACC school. Finally, academics, same thing... No kid is really going to choose GSU over an ACC or SEC or even a CUSA school. You might steal a couple of thugs from a Sun Belt school, but ultimately, North Dakota State would still beat you by 25.

You'll never win a national championship and you'll get to a bowl game in 75 years or so. Whoopie!

[Skjellyfetti]

You ever heard of Georgia Tech?

PJ probably isn't going to last much longer at Georgia Tech. 3 TD loss to a Sun Belt team has his ass securely fastened to the hot seat.

[AZGrizFan]

You ever heard of Georgia Tech?

PJ probably isn't going to last much longer at Georgia Tech. 3 TD loss to a Sun Belt team has his ass securely fastened to the hot seat.

I would hope to shout. That shit shouldn't fly in the ACC.

[Baldy]

Have you seen your campus?

I'm not going to compare our campus to Kentucky because both are beautiful, but I think we can hold out own against most colleges and universities.

Okay, now take a look at your football facilities - now compare it to North Carolina or any ACC school.

You shouldn't have said anything about UNC. Worst visiting stadium I have ever been to by a long shot. If you're over 5'7" you can't fit in the seats.
FBS or not, we are still expanding the stadium and building a new football operations center.







Once construction is complete, we will have one of the best if not the best football facilities in FCS. If an FBS invite is in the cards, this new facility will be on par with almost any facility the Sun Belt and C-USA has to offer.

Finally, academics, same thing... No kid is really going to choose GSU over an ACC or SEC or even a CUSA school. You might steal a couple of thugs from a Sun Belt school, but ultimately, North Dakota State would still beat you by 25.

This is just a few from the 2012 signing class:

Vegas Hartley - Had offers from FAU, FIU, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa State, Memphis, South Alabama, South Florida, and Washington State.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruit ... h0Df9DPZB4

Nardo Govan - Had offers from Cincinnatti and Mississippi State.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruit ... qAUoRDPZB4

Matt Dobson - Had offers from Georgia Tech, FIU, and Navy
http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruit ... 72ew1DPZB4

Dequan Clark - Had offers from Duke (yes that Duke), Illinois, Indiana, Memphis, Mississippi State, and Western Kentucky.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruit ... PT9oxDPZB4

[D1B]

Have you seen your campus?

I'm not going to compare our campus to Kentucky because both are beautiful, but I think we can hold out own against most colleges and universities.

Okay, now take a look at your football facilities - now compare it to North Carolina or any ACC school.

You shouldn't have said anything about UNC. Worst visiting stadium I have ever been to by a long shot. If you're over 5'7" you can't fit in the seats.
FBS or not, we are still expanding the stadium and building a new football operations center.







Once construction is complete, we will have one of the best if not the best football facilities in FCS. If an FBS invite is in the cards, this new facility will be on par with almost any facility the Sun Belt and C-USA has to offer.

Finally, academics, same thing... No kid is really going to choose GSU over an ACC or SEC or even a CUSA school. You might steal a couple of thugs from a Sun Belt school, but ultimately, North Dakota State would still beat you by 25.

This is just a few from the 2012 signing class:

Vegas Hartley - Had offers from FAU, FIU, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa State, Memphis, South Alabama, South Florida, and Washington State.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruit ... h0Df9DPZB4

Nardo Govan - Had offers from Cincinnatti and Mississippi State.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruit ... qAUoRDPZB4

Matt Dobson - Had offers from Georgia Tech, FIU, and Navy
http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruit ... 72ew1DPZB4

Dequan Clark - Had offers from Duke (yes that Duke), Illinois, Indiana, Memphis, Mississippi State, and Western Kentucky.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruit ... PT9oxDPZB4

Nice place.

[Sirloin Burger]

Market is not going to mean anything to Georgia State when they don't have a program in 5 years. The whole market thing is just dumb, and will soon prove to be foolhardy. Georgia State commands 0 percent of their market, or whatever market they would happen to be a part of. If market meant that much, the Big East would be BEGGING St Johns and Georgetown, both in bigger markets than the fake GSU, to join immediately. And both those teams have had football programs for a long, long time.

If Georgetown and St. Johns were interested in FBS they would definitely belong to the BE just as the BE is exploring a Villanova move. The BE wouldn't have to beg.

G-State hasn't even begun its' transition to the FBS so predicting their demise is a little premature.
They have millions of potential viewers. That program just needs new leadership and they will get it next season. Let the transition begin. I wish our former conference mates good luck.

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If Georgia Tech was an FCS team trying to move up, they would get the nod over G South because of it's market. Period.
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I'm sure Sun Belt-Commissioner Karl Benson has all the respect for G-South, but he's trying to compete with CUSA. I wouldn't call inviting an FCS program in a small market a strategic move against CUSA. The SB lost 2 FBS programs (FIU, North Texas), to them while at the same time CUSA gets 3 programs in 3 major markets plus another FBS program, La Tech.

Benson needs to think big. Good luck to him.

[eagleskins]

Not going to lie, giving Baldy some dap on this thread. Representing. GSU's campus doesn't take a back seat to many. And, enrollment is going to be 25,000 very soon. And that is basically 100% of on-campus, traditional students. Georgia State has about 8,000 of that variety, and the rest out of work houeswives from Conyers.

[CatMom]

Um, excuse me. TXST is between a rock (UT) and a hard place (UTSA) and in a small town. DMA be damned. Plus, TXST was not a good program in FCS. We have 12 FBS and 5 FCS programs in TX and we have to compete against them for recruits (UTA and TAMUCC don't count cause no football.) We won our first ever FBS game as an FBS team and didn't do too poorly vs the #5 ranked offense of Nevada. Growing pains? Sure, but given a few years, we'll hold our own, as would the Eagles. And we're going to the Belt which, BTW, is doing better than CUSA this year.

I think GSU would do just fine in the Belt if they do it (the move) right.

Also, Benson stated, last week, the Belt will be looking to add 2 teams to get to a championship game.

[CID1990]

I wish GSU all the luck in the world if they go up, but I am pessimistic about what will happen to them in FBS. They are a much more storied program in terms of their presence in FCS, and have so much more to play for in this league. I think many programs believe they have a shot at being the next Boise State, but in reality, at least in the saturated east coast markets, the best most programs can do is best personified in what has happened with Marshall and Central Florida. I'm sure this is contentious and plenty people will argue this point for and against.

All that said, if GSU goes I'll be sorry to see them go.

The main difference between GSU and those two you mentioned...especially Marshall is that we have our own little niche in Georgia. The state of GA only has 2 FBS programs, but is one of the top 4 or 5 "football factories" in the nation. There are a lot of kids who leave this state to go play college football in surrounding states. Case in point, Georgia had 165 kids sign LOI's to play FBS football. I don't think all those kids went to UGA or Tech. Only a fool would think that we can go toe to toe with the neighboring SEC schools for these recruits, but I have no doubt we can keep a few of the kids in state who would choose the Ol' Misses or the Mississippi States or Kentucky, or North Carolinas, NC States, etc. of the FBS world.

You left out the state that is so saturated that it sucks recruits from 4 states away on a regular basis. You know the one? Looks like a pecker hanging off of Georgia? Just a ways south of Statesboro? GSU is as much in the Florida market as it is in the Georgia market. To Florida, Georgia is just one big Escambia County. I really hope you are right about GSU's ability to compete in that market, but at the end of the day, what is the goal? To compete with UGA or GT? The pinnacle of success would be to dominate either CUSA or the Sun Belt.

[JayJ79]

"market penetration"

I'm pretty sure Cap'n has a DVD by that title in his collection.

[Baldy]

The main difference between GSU and those two you mentioned...especially Marshall is that we have our own little niche in Georgia. The state of GA only has 2 FBS programs, but is one of the top 4 or 5 "football factories" in the nation. There are a lot of kids who leave this state to go play college football in surrounding states. Case in point, Georgia had 165 kids sign LOI's to play FBS football. I don't think all those kids went to UGA or Tech. Only a fool would think that we can go toe to toe with the neighboring SEC schools for these recruits, but I have no doubt we can keep a few of the kids in state who would choose the Ol' Misses or the Mississippi States or Kentucky, or North Carolinas, NC States, etc. of the FBS world.

You left out the state that is so saturated that it sucks recruits from 4 states away on a regular basis. You know the one? Looks like a pecker hanging off of Georgia? Just a ways south of Statesboro? GSU is as much in the Florida market as it is in the Georgia market. To Florida, Georgia is just one big Escambia County. I really hope you are right about GSU's ability to compete in that market, but at the end of the day, what is the goal? To compete with UGA or GT? The pinnacle of success would be to dominate either CUSA or the Sun Belt.

Well, FSU and UF are like UGA and are going to get the kids from Georgia they want, period. Unless it's a really strange situation, we're not going to compete with them for recruits. However, we will be able to compete with the UCF's and USF's of the world, and just skimming their rosters, between the two they only have 21 kids from Georgia. What does that mean? I don't know.