Is NAU the real deal?

[cats2506]

So now you are back to thinking that the head to head will save you and hoping that UM can save EWU once again

The fact is that NAU is in control, but should they lose one then MSU becomes the team in the drivers seat.

Only if the committee doesn't consider SOS, quality wins, quality losses, DII versus FBS and the like...which they do. The ONLY argument you win against EWU is the win total. Replace your Chadron win with a narrow Washington State loss and a weaker OOC SOS and conference SOS and a reasonable person might see where I'm going here.

That's EWU 6...MSU 1. Your one doesn't trump our 6.

Assuming all three win out, NAU is the only BSC that can be seeded higher than EWU.

I am sorry....

You need to go back to the beginning of the discussion, most of this has been covered already.
the head to head only helps you in certain situations, and while those scenarios are out there, they are unlikely, ie; you need NAU to lose both games and leave it only up to EWU and MSU, If NAU is in the mix then MSU has the advantage even though they don't have the head to head.

If NAU loses 1 game, and EWU and MSU win out them MSU will most likely get the autobid, and by virtue of holding the highest in GPI, Sagrin, TSN, and coaches poll also get the highest seed.

sorry, but that's the way it is, now we just have to wait and see how the last 2 games play out and see if somebody trips up.


at least your not talking about "spots"

[Screamin_Eagle174]

So now you are back to thinking that the head to head will save you and hoping that UM can save EWU once again

The fact is that NAU is in control, but should they lose one then MSU becomes the team in the drivers seat.

Only if the committee doesn't consider SOS, quality wins, quality losses, DII versus FBS and the like...which they do. The ONLY argument you win against EWU is the win total. Replace your Chadron win with a narrow Washington State loss and a weaker OOC SOS and conference SOS and a reasonable person might see where I'm going here.

That's EWU 6...MSU 1. Your one doesn't trump our 6.

Assuming all three win out, NAU is the only BSC that can be seeded higher than EWU.

I am sorry....

Bitchkitten2506's argument very much resembles the scats' record against either EWU or UM. It takes a real particular kind of imbecile to lose that much. Kind of sad, actually.

[cats2506]

Only if the committee doesn't consider SOS, quality wins, quality losses, DII versus FBS and the like...which they do. The ONLY argument you win against EWU is the win total. Replace your Chadron win with a narrow Washington State loss and a weaker OOC SOS and conference SOS and a reasonable person might see where I'm going here.

That's EWU 6...MSU 1. Your one doesn't trump our 6.

Assuming all three win out, NAU is the only BSC that can be seeded higher than EWU.

I am sorry....

Bitchkitten2506's argument very much resembles the scats' record against either EWU or UM. It takes a real particular kind of imbecile to lose that much. Kind of sad, actually.

Pooor SE, doesnt have the capacity to comprehend so he has to put his hope in the fizzlies pulling out a miracle.

BTW which team has the best record in the BSC since 2010

[kalm]

Only if the committee doesn't consider SOS, quality wins, quality losses, DII versus FBS and the like...which they do. The ONLY argument you win against EWU is the win total. Replace your Chadron win with a narrow Washington State loss and a weaker OOC SOS and conference SOS and a reasonable person might see where I'm going here.

That's EWU 6...MSU 1. Your one doesn't trump our 6.

Assuming all three win out, NAU is the only BSC that can be seeded higher than EWU.

I am sorry....

You need to go back to the beginning of the discussion, most of this has been covered already.
the head to head only helps you in certain situations, and while those scenarios are out there, they are unlikely, ie; you need NAU to lose both games and leave it only up to EWU and MSU, If NAU is in the mix then MSU has the advantage even though they don't have the head to head.

If NAU loses 1 game, and EWU and MSU win out them MSU will most likely get the autobid, and by virtue of holding the highest in GPI, Sagrin, TSN, and coaches poll also get the highest seed.

sorry, but that's the way it is, now we just have to wait and see how the last 2 games play out and see if somebody trips up.


at least your not talking about "spots"

EWU was ranked #1 in all the season ending polls in 2010. You got seeded higher.

So now you've added GPI (we're ahead of you in Sagarin) to your "one less loss to a DII argument).

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Bitchkitten2506's argument very much resembles the scats' record against either EWU or UM. It takes a real particular kind of imbecile to lose that much. Kind of sad, actually.

Pooor SE, doesnt have the capacity to comprehend so he has to put his hope in the fizzlies pulling out a miracle.

BTW which team has the best record in the BSC since 2010

You make MSU fans look like Idaho fans with the amount of delusional arrogance, cognitive failure, and little brother syndrome you display so proudly.

[cats2506]

You need to go back to the beginning of the discussion, most of this has been covered already.
the head to head only helps you in certain situations, and while those scenarios are out there, they are unlikely, ie; you need NAU to lose both games and leave it only up to EWU and MSU, If NAU is in the mix then MSU has the advantage even though they don't have the head to head.

If NAU loses 1 game, and EWU and MSU win out them MSU will most likely get the autobid, and by virtue of holding the highest in GPI, Sagrin, TSN, and coaches poll also get the highest seed.

sorry, but that's the way it is, now we just have to wait and see how the last 2 games play out and see if somebody trips up.


at least your not talking about "spots"

EWU was ranked #1 in all the season ending polls in 2010. You got seeded higher.

So now you've added GPI (we're ahead of you in Sagarin) to your "one less loss to a DII argument).

I have never used the "one less loss argument"

Read above about Sagrin, its about the remaining SOS which is in MSU advantage, and 1 point in the rating will be easy to overcome.

or do you want to talk about "spots" too

[cats2506]

Pooor SE, doesnt have the capacity to comprehend so he has to put his hope in the fizzlies pulling out a miracle.

BTW which team has the best record in the BSC since 2010

You make MSU fans look like Idaho fans with the amount of delusional arrogance, cognitive failure, and little brother syndrome you display so proudly.

sounds like an admission of losing the argument to me

[Screamin_Eagle174]

You make MSU fans look like Idaho fans with the amount of delusional arrogance, cognitive failure, and little brother syndrome you display so proudly.

sounds like an admission of losing the argument to me

Please stop sending me PM's asking me to stop exposing the truth.

[cats2506]

sounds like an admission of losing the argument to me

Please stop sending me PM's asking me to stop exposing the truth.

weak, even for you

[kalm]

EWU was ranked #1 in all the season ending polls in 2010. You got seeded higher.

So now you've added GPI (we're ahead of you in Sagarin) to your "one less loss to a DII argument).

I have never used the "one less loss argument"

I didn't say that you did but it's really the main argument you have, so you shouldn't avoid it. If both teams finished with identical records, would you still think the cats deserve a seed over the eagles? If not, the only difference is your one less DI loss.

[cats2506]

I have never used the "one less loss argument"

I didn't say that you did but it's really the main argument you have, so you shouldn't avoid it. If both teams finished with identical records, would you still think the cats deserve a seed over the eagles? If not, the only difference is your one less DI loss.

Yes you did

So now you've added GPI (we're ahead of you in Sagarin) to your "one less loss to a DII argument).

The reason I haven't ever mentioned it is because it isn't relevant to this discussion, the "ALL DI SCHEDULE" clause concerns selecting teams for the 20 team field only, not selecting seeds or pairings. I think that this entire discussion is based on the assumption that both MSU and EWU win out have have more than enough criteria to be selected as part of the 20 team field even one does not get the autobid.

I have laid this out for another EWU fan on BN

assuming EWU and MSU win out
1) if NAU does not lose they get the auto bid and sole BSC champ
2) If NAU loses 2 then EWU can get the autobid by virtue of the head to head over MSU.
3) If NAU loses 1 then MSU likely gets the autobid by Sagrin

The seeds are a whole other can of worms, the selection criteria for seeding is not defined and good arguments can be made for many teams but I think both EWU and MSU have good arguments but it all depends on a completely undefined system and a room full of guys reaching a consensus.

[kalm]

I didn't say that you did but it's really the main argument you have, so you shouldn't avoid it. If both teams finished with identical records, would you still think the cats deserve a seed over the eagles? If not, the only difference is your one less DI loss.

Yes you did

So now you've added GPI (we're ahead of you in Sagarin) to your "one less loss to a DII argument).

The reason I haven't ever mentioned it is because it isn't relevant to this discussion, the "ALL DI SCHEDULE" clause concerns selecting teams for the 20 team field only, not selecting seeds or pairings. I think that this entire discussion is based on the assumption that both MSU and EWU win out have have more than enough criteria to be selected as part of the 20 team field even one does not get the autobid.

I have laid this out for another EWU fan on BN

assuming EWU and MSU win out
1) if NAU does not lose they get the auto bid and sole BSC champ
2) If NAU loses 2 then EWU can get the autobid by virtue of the head to head over MSU.
3) If NAU loses 1 then MSU likely gets the autobid by Sagrin

The seeds are a whole other can of worms, the selection criteria for seeding is not defined and good arguments can be made for many teams but I think both EWU and MSU have good arguments but it all depends on a completely undefined system and a room full of guys reaching a consensus.

1) I was strictly talking seeds

2) So I was granting you your best argument. Sorry to put words in your mouth.

[cats2506]

Yes you did


The reason I haven't ever mentioned it is because it isn't relevant to this discussion, the "ALL DI SCHEDULE" clause concerns selecting teams for the 20 team field only, not selecting seeds or pairings. I think that this entire discussion is based on the assumption that both MSU and EWU win out have have more than enough criteria to be selected as part of the 20 team field even one does not get the autobid.

I have laid this out for another EWU fan on BN

assuming EWU and MSU win out
1) if NAU does not lose they get the auto bid and sole BSC champ
2) If NAU loses 2 then EWU can get the autobid by virtue of the head to head over MSU.
3) If NAU loses 1 then MSU likely gets the autobid by Sagrin

The seeds are a whole other can of worms, the selection criteria for seeding is not defined and good arguments can be made for many teams but I think both EWU and MSU have good arguments but it all depends on a completely undefined system and a room full of guys reaching a consensus.

1) I was strictly talking seeds

2) So I was granting you your best argument. Sorry to put words in your mouth.

Obvously it is not our best argument, which is why I havent mentioned it, it is possibly EWU's beat argument

[Screamin_Eagle174]

1) I was strictly talking seeds

2) So I was granting you your best argument. Sorry to put words in your mouth.

Obvously it is not our best argument, which is why I havent mentioned it, it is possibly EWU's beat argument

Our "beat" argument is that we beat MSU, have the same amount of D-I wins, played a tougher schedule, and have a higher "Sagrin."

[cats2506]

Obvously it is not our best argument, which is why I havent mentioned it, it is possibly EWU's beat argument

Our "beat" argument is that we beat MSU, have the same amount of D-I wins, played a tougher schedule, and have a higher "Sagrin."

Might work as a valid argument today, but it wont be true after the last reg season game, remember these things are not frozen in time

Oh, and you didnt "beat" MSU, you won the game though

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Our "beat" argument is that we beat MSU, have the same amount of D-I wins, played a tougher schedule, and have a higher "Sagrin."

Might work as a valid argument today, but it wont be true after the last reg season game, remember these things are not frozen in time

Oh, and you didnt "beat" MSU, you won the game though

How is MSU going to move up in the "Sagrin" after losing to UM?

MSU's schedule can't become tougher than EWU's, btw. We've already played UM. MSU's schedule can get tougher than it currently is by losing to a playoff team in their first round game.

Oh, and once again, you're living in denial. EWU beat the f*ck out of MSU............'s hopes and dreams.

[jacksdude0109]

[youtube]http://youtu.be/rhyTyPD8s5Q[/youtube]

[jacksdude0109]

alright since i dont know how to embed videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhyTyPD8s5Q&feature=plcp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[grizzaholic]

alright since i dont know how to embed videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhyTyPD8s5Q&feature=plcp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I see this thread has turned into a EWU/MSU bullshit thread. to all parties involved.


Jacksdude, if it is a youtube link put it inside the youtube brackets, like this.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhyTyPD8s5Q&feature=plcp[/youtube]

[Screamin_Eagle174]

alright since i dont know how to embed videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhyTyPD8s5Q&feature=plcp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I see this thread has turned into a EWU/MSU bullshit thread. to all parties involved.


Jacksdude, if it is a youtube link put it inside the youtube brackets, like this.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhyTyPD8s5Q&feature=plcp[/youtube]

A bunch of , , and to you.

[cats2506]

Might work as a valid argument today, but it wont be true after the last reg season game, remember these things are not frozen in time

Oh, and you didnt "beat" MSU, you won the game though

How is MSU going to move up in the "Sagrin" after losing to UM?

MSU's schedule can't become tougher than EWU's, btw. We've already played UM. MSU's schedule can get tougher than it currently is by losing to a playoff team in their first round game.

Oh, and once again, you're living in denial. EWU beat the f*ck out of MSU............'s hopes and dreams.

Ya know it isnt even worth esplaining dis sh!t to an idiot lik you but Im gonna do it once more.

Your remaining schedule is weaker than MSU's, both play PSU, but you play UCD and MSU plays the higher rated UM, the SOS is what it is to date, not calculated out at the beginning of the season.

Still putting all your hopes in the fizz to save EWU's season for you huh, I'm actually hoping you do win out so the BSC looks a little better, too bad you will still be second fiddle to the winningst program in BSC over the last 3 years (Yeah, that includes 2010).

How good a game did VA have, how about Kaufman, Herd, 13 first downs, 211 total yards, vs MSU 27 first downs and 365 total yards, you can say you beat us but your team knows it aint so.

[jacksdude0109]

alright since i dont know how to embed videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhyTyPD8s5Q&feature=plcp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I see this thread has turned into a EWU/MSU bullshit thread. to all parties involved.


Jacksdude, if it is a youtube link put it inside the youtube brackets, like this.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhyTyPD8s5Q&feature=plcp[/youtube]

hey thanks

[LumberJackie]

I guess this thread has become an EWU MSU hatefest.

The funny thing is that it all won't matter if NAU wins both of its games

[NAUJacks]

Very entertaining LJ.

[kalm]

alright since i dont know how to embed videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhyTyPD8s5Q&feature=plcp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I see this thread has turned into a EWU/MSU bullshit thread. to all parties involved.


Jacksdude, if it is a youtube link put it inside the youtube brackets, like this.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhyTyPD8s5Q&feature=plcp[/youtube]

Quit trying to hijack this...feel free to start a SUU thread if you'd like.