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Re: 32 Team Playoff

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CAA Flagship wrote:
89Hen wrote: I've always laughed at the I-A folks who claimed that a playoff would water down the regular season, but going to 32 would water down the regular season. Make a list of the teams that would be in a 32 team field this year and step back and take a look at it.
Is "stepping back" necessary or can I just lean back a little? :poke:
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Re: 32 Team Playoff

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93henfan wrote:Nah. Reduce it to 16. Clear out the riffraff.
:+1: Bingo. Plenty of teams in the current playoffs don't deserve a shot at a title based on their total resume.
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Re: 32 Team Playoff

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CAA Flagship wrote:
89Hen wrote: I've always laughed at the I-A folks who claimed that a playoff would water down the regular season, but going to 32 would water down the regular season. Make a list of the teams that would be in a 32 team field this year and step back and take a look at it.
Is "stepping back" necessary or can I just lean back a little? :poke:
OK, I've leaned back a little & I see some of the following included in a 32 team field:

Northern Arizona 8-3
James Madison 7-4
Richmond 8-3
Towson 7-4
Youngstown 7-4
Albany 9-2
3 OVC teams at 8-3
Lehigh 10-1
The Citadel 7-4
Plus 3 or 4 Pioneer teams with 7-4 or better records.

So we wouldn't have to dip down to 6-5 to fill 32 teams. And we wouldn't be leaving teams like NAU, UR, Albany, Lehigh by the wayside.

I was/am strongly opposed to expanding past 16. But after you add the 17th, you might as well expand to 32. Plus I don't see how a 32 team playoff field waters down the regular season in any way.
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Re: 32 Team Playoff

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slulionsfan wrote:The more the merrier in my opinion (though anything more than 32 isn't practical).
I've always laughed at the I-A folks who claimed that a playoff would water down the regular season, but going to 32 would water down the regular season. Make a list of the teams that would be in a 32 team field this year and step back and take a look at it.
Here are your choices to add 12 more teams with 7 DI wins...

Lehigh (10-1)
Richmond (8-3)
EKU (8-3)
UT-M (8-3)
TSU (8-3)
NAU (7-2)
Butler (7-3)
Drake (7-3)
Towson (7-4)
JMU (7-4)
YSU (7-4)
The Citadel (7-4)

What a steaming pile of poo.
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32? Hell NO!!! 24 is probably too many. 7-4 is not a playoff team, I'm sorry. 9-2 & better from a power conference should get you in, 8-3 puts you on the bubble.

Expand? Hell why don't you give everybody trophies? F that, the smaller the better.
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DMoo531 wrote:Plus I don't see how a 32 team playoff field waters down the regular season in any way.
When a team goes 4-4 in conference and still makes the playoffs... that's watered down IMO.
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Once we went past 16........32 now makes sense. Regionalize the first 2 rounds.
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Re: 32 Team Playoff

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DMoo531 wrote:Div I-AA football (or whatever we shall be called tomorrow) should expand to 32 teams as soon as possible. I see no reason for the 24 team field proposed for 2013.

Every year the selection process seems blatantly unfair to a few of the almost-made-it teams. It will forever be so. 2013 is slated to add 3 more at-large teams. I say adding 11 more teams is better. Move to a full 32 team field. I realize the 33rd & 34th place team will be disappointed. But I doubt they will have 8-3 records. Perhaps going to 32 teams will open the door wide enough that a losing-season team has to be selected. I doubt it. There are enough quality Div I-AA teams to fill a 32 team field.

Bye weeks are unfair in a football playoff. Bye's are traditional, a reward for a job well done. Fine in basketball, where it means an extra day of rest. In football it means an extra week of healing/training. We give it to the best of us. An unfair advantage to the others. Plus NCAA would gain the revenue from 8 more games without adding a week to the playoff schedule.

Every year we have less than 32 teams, we will have unfilled slots. Every year we will have teams wanting to fill those slots.
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16 would be best, but having 20 or 24 teams to allow the 1st and 2nd seeds a bye week is fine as well.
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JayJ79 wrote:
Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:

It could be done at 32....more regionalization in the 1st couple of rounds.

D3 does it.
D3 also has about 239 teams in the division, compared to about 121 for FCS
And only about 90 in the AQ conferences. About 100 after Pioneer becomes AQ next yr.

I now think 24 is ok, but that should be it. 32 is way too many.
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Re: 32 Team Playoff

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BlueHen86 wrote:
89Hen wrote:Inevitable, I've said it all along. 16 was the correct number. :ohno:
Agreed, 16 is the correct number.
I would have agreed a couple of yrs ago, but if 8 Div I wins, 8-3/6-2 with a BCS loss isn't good enough to get a CAA team into a 20 team field, I know don't have a problem with 24. Same # of rounds as 20, but only 8 teams will get a bye instead of 12.

And this yr JMU at 7 Div I win, 7-4/5-3 with a BCS loss likely wouldn't have gotten into a 24 team field this yr.....
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rkwittem wrote:
93henfan wrote:Nah. Reduce it to 16. Clear out the riffraff.
:+1: Bingo. Plenty of teams in the current playoffs don't deserve a shot at a title based on their total resume.
I like the current set-up. 20 is a good number. 32 is absurd, every year there will be teams that have no business in it, totally diminishing the regular season. The only way I support moving to 24 is if ALL the FCS conferences participate. Unless the Ivy finally decides to see how their teams stack up, I feel like 24 is too many. I'd like to see the SWAC back too, but I think it's a PR disaster for that conference when their teams get beat by 50 ala Alcorn State in the mid-80s.
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mainejeff wrote:Once we went past 16........32 now makes sense. Regionalize the first 2 rounds.
How would you regionalize it? Two ways or four? I think going 8 ways would be too confusing, though that would be an option, too.
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Re: 32 Team Playoff

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CAA Flagship wrote:
89Hen wrote: I've always laughed at the I-A folks who claimed that a playoff would water down the regular season, but going to 32 would water down the regular season. Make a list of the teams that would be in a 32 team field this year and step back and take a look at it.
Is "stepping back" necessary or can I just lean back a little? :poke:
OK, I've leaned back a little & I see some of the following included in a 32 team field:

Northern Arizona 8-3
James Madison 7-4
Richmond 8-3
Towson 7-4
Youngstown 7-4
Albany 9-2
3 OVC teams at 8-3
Lehigh 10-1
The Citadel 7-4
Plus 3 or 4 Pioneer teams with 7-4 or better records.

So we wouldn't have to dip down to 6-5 to fill 32 teams. And we wouldn't be leaving teams like NAU, UR, Albany, Lehigh by the wayside.

I was/am strongly opposed to expanding past 16. But after you add the 17th, you might as well expand to 32. Plus I don't see how a 32 team playoff field waters down the regular season in any way.
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TheTruth wrote:16 would be best, but having 20 or 24 teams to allow the 1st and 2nd seeds a bye week is fine as well.
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Re: 32 Team Playoff

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BDKJMU wrote:
JayJ79 wrote: D3 also has about 239 teams in the division, compared to about 121 for FCS
And only about 90 in the AQ conferences. About 100 after Pioneer becomes AQ next yr.

I now think 24 is ok, but that should be it. 32 is way too many.
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LDopaPDX wrote:
rkwittem wrote: :+1: Bingo. Plenty of teams in the current playoffs don't deserve a shot at a title based on their total resume.
I like the current set-up. 20 is a good number. 32 is absurd, every year there will be teams that have no business in it, totally diminishing the regular season. The only way I support moving to 24 is if ALL the FCS conferences participate. Unless the Ivy finally decides to see how their teams stack up, I feel like 24 is too many. I'd like to see the SWAC back too, but I think it's a PR disaster for that conference when their teams get beat by 50 ala Alcorn State in the mid-80s.
That would require 26. If both the Ivy and SWAC came aboard would have 13 AQ teams. By rule have to have at least as many At Large as AQ, so that would mean at least 13 at large.

As of next yr will be 11 AQ and 13 At Large, leaving room for the Ivy or SWAC to come aboard without having to expand the field past 24, but not both.
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Re: 32 Team Playoff

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89Hen wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: Is "stepping back" necessary or can I just lean back a little? :poke:
Only if your name is Fat Joe.
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LDopaPDX wrote:
rkwittem wrote: :+1: Bingo. Plenty of teams in the current playoffs don't deserve a shot at a title based on their total resume.
I like the current set-up. 20 is a good number. 32 is absurd, every year there will be teams that have no business in it, totally diminishing the regular season. The only way I support moving to 24 is if ALL the FCS conferences participate. Unless the Ivy finally decides to see how their teams stack up, I feel like 24 is too many. I'd like to see the SWAC back too, but I think it's a PR disaster for that conference when their teams get beat by 50 ala Alcorn State in the mid-80s.
that was in 92 and I don't think it'll be any worse of a disaster than Montana beating Northwestern St 56-7 in 2004 or Nicholls St 48-3 in 1996.

The league (well 3 teams) took 5 30+ point blowouts, but they did manage to squeeze in some close losses. Not that it really matters.
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Re: 32 Team Playoff

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DMoo531 wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: Is "stepping back" necessary or can I just lean back a little? :poke:
OK, I've leaned back a little & I see some of the following included in a 32 team field:

Northern Arizona 8-3
James Madison 7-4
Richmond 8-3
Towson 7-4
Youngstown 7-4
Albany 9-2
3 OVC teams at 8-3
Lehigh 10-1
The Citadel 7-4
Plus 3 or 4 Pioneer teams with 7-4 or better records.

So we wouldn't have to dip down to 6-5 to fill 32 teams. And we wouldn't be leaving teams like NAU, UR, Albany, Lehigh by the wayside.

I was/am strongly opposed to expanding past 16. But after you add the 17th, you might as well expand to 32. Plus I don't see how a 32 team playoff field waters down the regular season in any way.
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So let's have a tournament to see who plays the seeds, top 4 or 8? :coffee:
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BDKJMU wrote:
LDopaPDX wrote:
I like the current set-up. 20 is a good number. 32 is absurd, every year there will be teams that have no business in it, totally diminishing the regular season. The only way I support moving to 24 is if ALL the FCS conferences participate. Unless the Ivy finally decides to see how their teams stack up, I feel like 24 is too many. I'd like to see the SWAC back too, but I think it's a PR disaster for that conference when their teams get beat by 50 ala Alcorn State in the mid-80s.
That would require 26. If both the Ivy and SWAC came aboard would have 13 AQ teams. By rule have to have at least as many At Large as AQ, so that would mean at least 13 at large.

As of next yr will be 11 AQ and 13 At Large, leaving room for the Ivy or SWAC to come aboard without having to expand the field past 24, but not both.
You're assuming these rules couldn't be changed.
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