University of Nebraska Omaha (UNO)

[JBB]

They are sissys AND IN A WATERED DOWN D2. We were #1 twice,beat 4 FBS schools in 3 years, got into playoffs in year 2 and crushed the big sky #2 team and BEAT THE NATL Champs (until bill fette didn't reverse an obvious BULLSHIT CALL!)

NDSU needs to move on.

It's obvious. Every program that manages an 18-18 record over the last three years in FCS is obviously playing at the next level and should be in FBS.

Not every program, NDSU certainly has the potential and the ambition. Several reoadblocks starting with the stadium and ending with conference will have to be overcome before a move can be made, but clearly the direction of the program is toward that goal.

[dbackjon]

UNO's interest in NCAA Division I athletics appears to be getting serious.

Representatives of the Summit League, a 10-team conference that stretches from Michigan to Utah and from Fargo to Tulsa, are scheduled to be on the University of Nebraska at Omaha campus Wednesday and Thursday.

UNO Athletic Director Trev Alberts said Tuesday that he assumes the league is considering several potential candidates for membership.

“One of those is UNO,” Alberts said. “And so they'd like to come, as part of their vetting process, and take a look at our campus to see whether or not they'd be interested in extending an invitation.”

No official invitation has been made to UNO, Alberts said, nor has he had contact with any other Division I conferences.

In one of the first public signs of mutual interest, Alberts attended the Summit League basketball tournament last weekend in Sioux Falls, S.D., where he was seen with the league's commissioner, Tom Douple.

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[JBB]

Thanks for the update. It seems to be confirming what has been rumored in Fargo for some time. It would be interesting to know who the other members under consideration might be and of course what will happen to the football. Im sure they are welcome in the Western Wrestling Conference.

This sounds like a campus visit which is normally followed by an invite.

[Fresno St. Alum]

Thanks for the update. It seems to be confirming what has been rumored in Fargo for some time. It would be interesting to know who the other members under consideration might be and of course what will happen to the football. Im sure they are welcome in the Western Wrestling Conference.

This sounds like a campus visit which is normally followed by an invite.

Well from D-I you have Houston Baptist, UTPA, Chicago St.(who was kicked out a few years ago, probably not a real option). From D-II you have UN-Omaha and Bellarmine(KY). I don't think UVU is a candidate since SUU will be leaving. They can shrink their geography. UNO is by far the best option.

N.Kentucky announced that they are not ready to move to D-I so did LeMoyne(NY). The only other D-II's looking at D-I are N.Alabama and Lincoln Memorial(TN) that are not in the footprint.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

Thanks for the update. It seems to be confirming what has been rumored in Fargo for some time. It would be interesting to know who the other members under consideration might be and of course what will happen to the football. Im sure they are welcome in the Western Wrestling Conference.

This sounds like a campus visit which is normally followed by an invite.

Well from D-I you have Houston Baptist, UTPA, Chicago St.(who was kicked out a few years ago, probably not a real option). From D-II you have UN-Omaha and Bellarmine(KY). I don't think UVU is a candidate since SUU will be leaving. They can shrink their geography. UNO is by far the best option.

N.Kentucky announced that they are not ready to move to D-I so did LeMoyne(NY). The only other D-II's looking at D-I are N.Alabama and Lincoln Memorial(TN) that are not in the footprint.

Chicago St. left - presuming an invite was coming from the Horizon League that never came... (or at least, that's how I've always heard it)

What about Oklahoma City or U Dallas (or are both not moving)

[lakesbison]

NDSU needs to leave this FCS crap soon if omaha and other crappy teams are getting in, embarassing.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

NDSU needs to leave this FCS crap soon if omaha and other crappy teams are getting in, embarassing.

if anyone knows embarrassing... it's you lakes...

[Fresno St. Alum]

Well from D-I you have Houston Baptist, UTPA, Chicago St.(who was kicked out a few years ago, probably not a real option). From D-II you have UN-Omaha and Bellarmine(KY). I don't think UVU is a candidate since SUU will be leaving. They can shrink their geography. UNO is by far the best option.

N.Kentucky announced that they are not ready to move to D-I so did LeMoyne(NY). The only other D-II's looking at D-I are N.Alabama and Lincoln Memorial(TN) that are not in the footprint.

Chicago St. left - presuming an invite was coming from the Horizon League that never came... (or at least, that's how I've always heard it)

What about Oklahoma City or U Dallas (or are both not moving)

Nope, they left because they were gonna get kicked out for major violations. They said they'd then go after a Horizon invite. It's like saying NDSU is leaving the Summit to go after a Big 10 invite. Just wishful thinking.

Oklahoma City is not allowed to move from the NAIA to D-I now under the new rule, they fucked up when they decided not to move D-I at the last minute. Dallas? From D-III has never wanted D-I. Dallas Baptist is who you're thinking of. They're D-I in baseball but don't want to be D-I for anything else as far as I know.

Oh also UND is probably on that list of schools the Summit is looking at.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

Chicago St. left - presuming an invite was coming from the Horizon League that never came... (or at least, that's how I've always heard it)

What about Oklahoma City or U Dallas (or are both not moving)

Nope, they left because they were gonna get kicked out for major violations. They said they'd then go after a Horizon invite. It's like saying NDSU is leaving the Summit to go after a Big 10 invite. Just wishful thinking.

Oklahoma City is not allowed to move from the NAIA to D-I now under the new rule, they fucked up when they decided not to move D-I at the last minute. Dallas? From D-III has never wanted D-I. Dallas Baptist is who you're thinking of. They're D-I in baseball but don't want to be D-I for anything else as far as I know.

Oh also UND is probably on that list of schools the Summit is looking at.

don't tell that to jbb or lakes... clearly we're next in...

thanks for the clarifications on the rest...

[JBB]

I doubt UND will quit the BSC like they quit the NCC, the GWFC and competing with NDSU. Thats just too much quitting. I also have my doubts the Summit is interested in them after the war of words conducted against the Summit and Tom Douple a month or so ago.

The only school I find attractive on that list is UNO. None of the others has the potential to improve the league.

I guess I could insert an insult here to whomever, but that seems a little juvenile doesnt it? Acting ignorant about the potential at NDSU doesnt make you appear smarter even if the peanut gallery loves you for it.

Lakes has an opinion that is as valid as any of you. I agree with him too, but I dont think NDSU is ready to make the move. Im sure there is a plan in place and I think the Dome Authority pulled out of the BSA remodel/replacement because they are keeping their powder dry for a new football stadium. Its clear the FFD is going to be too small sooner rather than later and they have at least 50 million ready to go.

[Fresno St. Alum]

I doubt UND will quit the BSC like they quit the NCC, the GWFC and competing with NDSU. Thats just too much quitting. I also have my doubts the Summit is interested in them after the war of words conducted against the Summit and Tom Douple a month or so ago.

The only school I find attractive on that list is UNO. None of the others has the potential to improve the league.

I guess I could insert an insult here to whomever, but that seems a little juvenile doesnt it? Acting ignorant about the potential at NDSU doesnt make you appear smarter even if the peanut gallery loves you for it.

Lakes has an opinion that is as valid as any of you. I agree with him too, but I dont think NDSU is ready to make the move. Im sure there is a plan in place and I think the Dome Authority pulled out of the BSA remodel/replacement because they are keeping their powder dry for a new football stadium. Its clear the FFD is going to be too small sooner rather than later and they have at least 50 million ready to go.

So would you guys take a WAC invite if invited now? That's the catch, they don't care if/when you're ready, they need members now. I don't think they'd offer you a spot anyway, even though you're better most/all of the future WAC. It's just Moscow,Id to SJ to SA to Fargo is stretching things all over the place.

[JBB]

NDSU has been mentioned as a potential WAC prospect. NDSU has said there are no plans to move football to the FBS at this time. I think the situation we are in now is good and its just not the right time to make the move. We have to get our BB arena built first and the economy is going to have to improve.

The WAC is too far afield for us. If the Big 12 came calling Im sure the money for a stadium would appear, but that is not in the cards. I dont think stadium money is there for WAC invite.

My horizon is about 10 years. In the meantime its tough to beat the Summit and MVFC for our programs. They fit real well in these conferences. UNO would add a decent road game for the fans too. Resorting an old rival that is growing out of its old situation is also good.

[Mike Johnson]

I doubt UND will quit the BSC like they quit the NCC, the GWFC and competing with NDSU.

They are just copy cats. NDSU quit the NCC and the GWFC first. Of course, the last members of the GWFC joined the Big Sky together (or the Summit/Missouri Vally), so did they really quite the GWFC?

[Mike Johnson]

Chicago St. left - presuming an invite was coming from the Horizon League that never came... (or at least, that's how I've always heard it)

Nope, they left because they were gonna get kicked out for major violations. They said they'd then go after a Horizon invite. It's like saying NDSU is leaving the Summit to go after a Big 10 invite. Just wishful thinking..

I remember when Chicago State left the Summit. I remember wondering why. I do recall the hope of a Horizon invite. They ended up in the Great West "sea to shining sea" conference.

It should be noted that Chicago State has the smallest athletics budget in NCAA Division I in Illinois. Horizon League members Illinois-Chicago and Loyola of Chicago have 2-3 times the budget as Chicago State:

Revenues / Expenses / Institution / Sanctioning Body
53,502,485 / 51,762,875 / University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign / NCAA Division I-FBS
48,921,823 / 48,921,823 / Northwestern University / NCAA Division I-FBS
18,452,594 / 18,452,594 / Northern Illinois University / NCAA Division I-FBS

23,220,795 / 23,220,795 / Southern Illinois University Carbondale / NCAA Division I-FCS
15,923,568 / 15,923,568 / Illinois State University / NCAA Division I-FCS
11,958,174 / 11,706,100 / Eastern Illinois University / NCAA Division I-FCS
10,019,205 / 10,019,205 / Western Illinois University / NCAA Division I-FCS

20,945,004 / 20,945,004 / DePaul University / NCAA Division I (without football)
12,270,738 / 11,920,818 / University of Illinois at Chicago / NCAA Division I (without football)
10,738,143 / 10,738,143 / Bradley University / NCAA Division I (without football)
8,852,964 / 8,852,964 / Loyola University Chicago / NCAA Division I (without football)
6,530,879 / 5,895,967 / Southern Illinois University Edwardsville / NCAA Division I (without football)
4,488,197 / 3,521,813 / Chicago State University / NCAA Division I (without football)

5,015,775 / 4,964,172 / Quincy University / NCAA Division II (with football)

6,218,398 / 6,218,398 / Lewis University / NCAA Division II (without football)
1,882,540 / 1,674,705 / University of Illinois at Springfield / NCAA Division II (without football)

3,893,153 / 3,893,153 / University of Chicago / NCAA Division III (with football)
3,365,733 / 3,365,733 / Augustana College / NCAA Division III (with football)
2,882,126 / 2,872,831 / Wheaton College / NCAA Division III (with football)
2,249,726 / 2,193,231 / North Central College / NCAA Division III (with football)
2,162,119 / 2,145,867 / Elmhurst College / NCAA Division III (with football)
2,218,366 / 2,074,597 / Concordia University / NCAA Division III (with football)
2,138,178 / 2,038,990 / Millikin University / NCAA Division III (with football)
2,253,158 / 1,934,206 / Greenville College / NCAA Division III (with football)
1,910,436 / 1,910,436 / Illinois Wesleyan University / NCAA Division III (with football)
2,094,825 / 1,900,907 / Benedictine University / NCAA Division III (with football)
1,916,614 / 1,876,179 / Aurora University / NCAA Division III (with football)
1,778,302 / 1,778,302 / North Park University / NCAA Division III (with football)
1,663,400 / 1,656,014 / Lake Forest College / NCAA Division III (with football)
1,394,228 / 1,394,228 / Knox College / NCAA Division III (with football)
1,192,471 / 1,192,471 / Illinois College / NCAA Division III (with football)
1,117,890 / 1,117,890 / Monmouth College / NCAA Division III (with football)
1,092,136 / 1,091,938 / Rockford College / NCAA Division III (with football)
824,860 / 824,860 / Eureka College / NCAA Division III (with football)
564,303 / 546,506 / MacMurray College / NCAA Division III (with football)
470,205 / 470,205 / Blackburn College / NCAA Division III (with football)

1,222,682 / 1,222,682 / Dominican University / NCAA Division III (without football)

8,188,163 / 8,167,654 / Robert Morris University Illinois / NAIA Division I
4,706,779 / 4,706,779 / McKendree University / NAIA Division I
4,672,177 / 4,672,177 / University of St Francis / NAIA Division I
4,122,051 / 4,046,202 / Olivet Nazarene University / NAIA Division I
3,786,195 / 3,770,295 / Saint Xavier University / NAIA Division I
3,769,719 / 3,769,719 / Trinity International University / NAIA Division I
1,884,849 / 1,884,849 / Illinois Institute of Technology / NAIA Division I

2,897,091 / 2,897,091 / Judson University / NAIA Division II
1,776,772 / 1,776,772 / Trinity Christian College / NAIA Division II

186,394 / 186,394 / Lincoln Christian University / NCCAA Division II

[Fresno St. Alum]

Mike are you on the collegesportsinfo site? I think I posted the story about CSU basically resigning from the Mid-Con before they were fired. I don't know if Quinn has it in his archives, if he does he should post it here. And yes they did speak of getting their program up to par so they could join the Horizon. But that wasn't gonna happen.

[JBB]

Mike,

You probably aren't familiar with the details of UND quitting but rather the spin.

The difference is the Mighty Dakota Land Grants gave the NCC 1 year to decide what to do. The conference was debating moving as a group. At the end of that year UND announced they were committed to D2 and the NCC. As is their way they broke that commitment and applied for membership in D1 just before the moratorium went into affect.

Hope that helps you get a grasp on the facts.

Sincerely,
JBB

[JBB]

The Fargo Forum reported this morning the Summit league is completing a 2 day site visit at UNO today! The wheels are in motion.

[Mike Johnson]

Hope that helps you get a grasp on the facts.
JBB

I am very much aware of what happened during that period in the NCC and nothing you just posted is new to me. I followed it with some interest because I saw NDSU and SDSU as potential rivals for the then UVSC transitioning at the same time. And for a while in basketball they were until you quit for something better.

I don't have a problem with a school quitting something for what is better. I find the whole NDSU UND dispute to be mildly amusing and full of inaccuracies about what happened from fans of both sides.

[JBB]

Hope that helps you get a grasp on the facts.
JBB

I am very much aware of what happened during that period in the NCC and nothing you just posted is new to me. I also understand very much the spin you want to place on it.

Dear Mike,

Thanks for you input.

Sincerely,

JBB

Ps. A diagram of Mikes Spin:

[Mike Johnson]

I am very much aware of what happened during that period in the NCC and nothing you just posted is new to me. I also understand very much the spin you want to place on it.

Dear Mike,

Thanks for you input.

Sincerely,

JBB

I can tell you appreciate it almost as little as I appreciate your inputs.

[JBB]

Dear Mr. Johnson,

You input is somewhat appreciated.

Sincerely,

JBB

Ps.

Further illustrations of Mr. Johnson's spin technique:

[Mike Johnson]

Ok, thanks for posting on magnetic theory.

Years ago, I was on a board with considerable discussion about NDSU and SDSU moving up and UND and USD staying, primarily out of interest about the future of what is now UVU. I recall posting about the "land grants" and then had to explain what a land grant college is after several inquiries. Almost immediately, I saw "the Mighty Land Grants" for the first time. I have been amused over the years by the use of that phrase to describe NDSU and SDSU on various boards. I don't know whether it was my post or somebody else's that started that trend. But, it is possible that phrase originated with me on these boards. It is also possible it was used before, but I had not seen it used in considerable discussion before I posted it. The other amusing part, is when I think of "Mighty Land Grant", Ohio State, Penn State, Auburn, Florida, and Nebraska come to mind well before any schools at a lower level. Thus, when somebody tries to explain the "facts" of the NDSU-UND dispute and use the term "Mighty Land Grants" I kick myself for possibly introducing the term into the debate.

[JBB]

Dear Mike,

I introduced that term. It had nothing to do with you.

Sincerely,

JBB

Ps. I also introduced Fabulous Fargo Dome, The NDSU Football Conglomerate, The Golden Arm and the math is little complicated to go into now but let me sum it up this way, among other now infamous and widely used phrases native to the language of the D2, FCS and NDSU football.

[SloStang]

And Gore invented the internet.

[JBB]

And slostang is the poster boy of intolerance. I introduced that too!