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Wow, a little late on the response there. I'm not hanging my hat on that but it was just a response to the apparent "curb stomping" NDSU received from EWU. The defense was sure taken back from TJ's running but the physical play soon caught up to him...too bad that's the way he got out of the game with an injury but really, how many running backs keep up that pace anyway in the 2nd half. I've never seen a running back continue that dominance anyway.
Check out Tyler Roehls stats for the last BCS/FBS game against the Minnesota Gophers. You will see that Roehl was over 200 in the first half without any crazy refering that game him more chances then he deserved. Roehl earned his yards. He put up just under 100 in the second half in that Big BISON WIN. It should also be mentioned that Pat Paschall was also in the backfield. Roehls performance is one to be proud of and there will be no snickers or mention of officiating. It was clean and it was earned by individual effort and superb team play.
Yep, just keep telling everyone else that they can't get over the ndsu/EWU game, while managing to bring it up in 90% of your posts. You da man, JaBBer!

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NDSUFREAK wrote: The quarterfinal game was not a curb stomping. The BISON defense took out your stellar RB and if it wasn't for the worst 2 minute defense I have ever seen, you wouldn't have gone to frisco. So no, it wasn't a curb stomping.
You're making it sound like it was a hit or something that took him out of the game. And we know that ain't true.

I guess if you count his foot getting caught underneath some fatass lineman, then yeah, the "BISON DEFENSE" took him out.
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NDSUFREAK wrote:The defense was sure taken back from TJ's running but the physical play soon caught up to him...too bad that's the way he got out of the game with an injury but really, how many running backs keep up that pace anyway in the 2nd half. I've never seen a running back continue that dominance anyway.
Bullshit. What is this "physical play" bullshit? You act like NDSU was the only team we played this year that was "physical". Montana, Nova, and UD were all equally as physical teams as NDSU was, and a couple of those teams were probably more physical. I just don't get this about you guys. It's like you think that unless you play in the barren tundra of North Dakota you can't be tough or something. There was no "physical play" that caught up with him. His foot got trapped during a tackle and got bent a weird way. It was just unlucky, plain and simple.

TJ had several dominating performances throughout the year. NDSU wasn't the first. Having him go down like combined with crappy weather which will always favor a ground and pound team like NDSU were the best things that could have happened for the Bison........4 second half turn-overs gifted and still couldn't get it done. That to me tells me all I need to know about that game.

You could see the difference in team speed in the first half, and I know it's just my opinion, but had that game been played in favorable field conditions, or even within the "FFD" it would not have been close, or certainly not as close as it was.

Hopefully we'll get another shot (or should I say the Bison will get another shot?) next year and be able to put all this BS behind us. Of course, even if EWU happened to win again we'd still probably hear all the bs excuses.
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NDSUFREAK wrote:The defense was sure taken back from TJ's running but the physical play soon caught up to him...too bad that's the way he got out of the game with an injury but really, how many running backs keep up that pace anyway in the 2nd half. I've never seen a running back continue that dominance anyway.
Bullshit. What is this "physical play" bullshit? You act like NDSU was the only team we played this year that was "physical". Montana, Nova, and UD were all equally as physical teams as NDSU was, and a couple of those teams were probably more physical. I just don't get this about you guys. It's like you think that unless you play in the barren tundra of North Dakota you can't be tough or something. There was no "physical play" that caught up with him. His foot got trapped during a tackle and got bent a weird way. It was just unlucky, plain and simple.

TJ had several dominating performances throughout the year. NDSU wasn't the first. Having him go down like combined with crappy weather which will always favor a ground and pound team like NDSU were the best things that could have happened for the Bison........4 second half turn-overs gifted and still couldn't get it done. That to me tells me all I need to know about that game.

You could see the difference in team speed in the first half, and I know it's just my opinion, but had that game been played in favorable field conditions, or even within the "FFD" it would not have been close, or certainly not as close as it was.

Hopefully we'll get another shot (or should I say the Bison will get another shot?) next year and be able to put all this BS behind us. Of course, even if EWU happened to win again we'd still probably hear all the bs excuses.
This.

Also, the weather was a lot more "physical" than the bison, especially when you have a QB from Texas.
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EWURanger wrote:
NDSUFREAK wrote: The quarterfinal game was not a curb stomping. The BISON defense took out your stellar RB and if it wasn't for the worst 2 minute defense I have ever seen, you wouldn't have gone to frisco. So no, it wasn't a curb stomping.
You're making it sound like it was a hit or something that took him out of the game. And we know that ain't true.

I guess if you count his foot getting caught underneath some fatass lineman, then yeah, the "BISON DEFENSE" took him out.
No, absolutely not. It wasn't a hit, it was simply a breakdown from the intensity of the physical battle. Hes a role player, not an every down back. If you guys would have used him right he might still be around?

Its really a shame what has happened to UND. I think they should fight the NCAA to the bitter end.
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EWURanger wrote:
You're making it sound like it was a hit or something that took him out of the game. And we know that ain't true.

I guess if you count his foot getting caught underneath some fatass lineman, then yeah, the "BISON DEFENSE" took him out.
No, absolutely not. It wasn't a hit, it was simply a breakdown from the intensity of the physical battle. Hes a role player, not an every down back. If you guys would have used him right he might still be around?

Its really a shame what has happened to UND. I think they should fight the NCAA to the bitter end.
Yeah, he really should have chosen another year in FCS over the NFL. The genius of jibbles strikes again! :rofl: :rofl:
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Grizalltheway wrote:
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No, absolutely not. It wasn't a hit, it was simply a breakdown from the intensity of the physical battle. Hes a role player, not an every down back. If you guys would have used him right he might still be around?

Its really a shame what has happened to UND. I think they should fight the NCAA to the bitter end.
Yeah, he really should have chosen another year in FCS over the NFL. The genius of jibbles strikes again! :rofl: :rofl:
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He is not an every down back. He wont be if he makes an NFL team. EWU coaches used him as an every down back and he ended his career against an NFL quality defense injured and out of the game. Thats all Im saying.
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JBB wrote:He is not an every down back. He wont be if he makes an NFL team. EWU coaches used him as an every down back and he ended his career against an NFL quality defense injured and out of the game. Thats all Im saying.
So the NDSU D last year were comprised of 11 NFL'ers?
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JBB wrote:He is not an every down back. He wont be if he makes an NFL team. EWU coaches used him as an every down back and he ended his career against an NFL quality defense injured and out of the game. Thats all Im saying.
So the NDSU D last year were comprised of 11 NFL'ers?
Well, they don't measure up to Montana of course.
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So the NDSU D last year were comprised of 11 NFL'ers?
Well, they don't measure up to Montana of course.
Pretty sure Montana didn't do very good last year...missed the playoffs...no BSC title. Lots of TO's. Undisciplined. Yeah...Way to turn around a comment by your bud JBB.
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Well, they don't measure up to Montana of course.
Pretty sure Montana didn't do very good last year...missed the playoffs...no BSC title. Lots of TO's. Undisciplined. Yeah...Way to turn around a comment by your bud JBB.
Be nice if you could take a compliment without getting all pissy.
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Pretty sure Montana didn't do very good last year...missed the playoffs...no BSC title. Lots of TO's. Undisciplined. Yeah...Way to turn around a comment by your bud JBB.
Be nice if you could take a compliment without getting all pissy.
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Gil Dobie wrote:
grizzaholic wrote:
Pretty sure Montana didn't do very good last year...missed the playoffs...no BSC title. Lots of TO's. Undisciplined. Yeah...Way to turn around a comment by your bud JBB.
Be nice if you could take a compliment without getting all pissy.
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Be nice if you could take a compliment without getting all pissy.
God, you are an insufferable DB.
I hear D1B's anal wart has taken root on your tongue. :lol:
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ahahahahhahaha. You are just so fucking funny! You clever sombitch!
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Good exchange Gil! You kicked those envious bastards ass! :rofl:
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JBB wrote:He is not an every down back. He wont be if he makes an NFL team. EWU coaches used him as an every down back and he ended his career against an NFL quality defense injured and out of the game. Thats all Im saying.
He wasn't an every down back in college and certainly won't be in the NFL. I also agree that they could have spread the love a little more than they did with the other backs, but I also understand that when you have a player like that who is a threat every time he touches the ball you want to get him the ball as much as possible. Mario Brown certainly proved he was a capable backup to Jones.

But back on topic.....what's the latest with this? Are they going to change the law or what?
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EWURanger wrote:
JBB wrote:He is not an every down back. He wont be if he makes an NFL team. EWU coaches used him as an every down back and he ended his career against an NFL quality defense injured and out of the game. Thats all Im saying.
He wasn't an every down back in college and certainly won't be in the NFL. I also agree that they could have spread the love a little more than they did with the other backs, but I also understand that when you have a player like that who is a threat every time he touches the ball you want to get him the ball as much as possible. Mario Brown certainly proved he was a capable backup to Jones.

But back on topic.....what's the latest with this? Are they going to change the law or what?
Like I say, your coaches were greedy and used him wrong. He ended the season early, beaten up and broken down. Its a shame really.

I posted the latest above.

Lets hope they fight to end, to hell with the consequences. After all who should tell them what their identity should be? What about the fighting Irish? UND has the most well known sports logo in the world, millions of fans follow it. The NCAA is full of PC crap. I say they fight to win a victory, and not a moral victory either, a real victory. Stand up to them and fight fight fight.
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JBB wrote:Im sure you can consider that among the best and greatest acheivments in UNI football history. But remember, there were nor bad calls when Roehl put those numbers up against a BCS school. TJ was cruising with the refs. Got chances he shouldn't have had and in the end was beaten down by the game. Not a real impressive performance if taken as a whole but if all these guys want to do is reiterate the part of the stroy that proves they are big me then they live in a fantasy world.
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JBB wrote:He is not an every down back. He wont be if he makes an NFL team. EWU coaches used him as an every down back and he ended his career against an NFL quality defense injured and out of the game. Thats all Im saying.
am I reading this correctly? NDSU has an NFL type or "quality" defense? No wonder every one on here thinks you're an idiot.
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EWURanger wrote:
NDSUFREAK wrote:The defense was sure taken back from TJ's running but the physical play soon caught up to him...too bad that's the way he got out of the game with an injury but really, how many running backs keep up that pace anyway in the 2nd half. I've never seen a running back continue that dominance anyway.
Bullshit. What is this "physical play" bullshit? You act like NDSU was the only team we played this year that was "physical". Montana, Nova, and UD were all equally as physical teams as NDSU was, and a couple of those teams were probably more physical. I just don't get this about you guys. It's like you think that unless you play in the barren tundra of North Dakota you can't be tough or something. There was no "physical play" that caught up with him. His foot got trapped during a tackle and got bent a weird way. It was just unlucky, plain and simple.

TJ had several dominating performances throughout the year. NDSU wasn't the first. Having him go down like combined with crappy weather which will always favor a ground and pound team like NDSU were the best things that could have happened for the Bison........4 second half turn-overs gifted and still couldn't get it done. That to me tells me all I need to know about that game.

You could see the difference in team speed in the first half, and I know it's just my opinion, but had that game been played in favorable field conditions, or even within the "FFD" it would not have been close, or certainly not as close as it was.

Hopefully we'll get another shot (or should I say the Bison will get another shot?) next year and be able to put all this BS behind us. Of course, even if EWU happened to win again we'd still probably hear all the bs excuses.
It's some sort of mantra with them, they always talk about how physical they are; they aren't any more physical than most of the MVC but I guess it's better than saying "we're not very fast".
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Bullshit. What is this "physical play" bullshit? You act like NDSU was the only team we played this year that was "physical". Montana, Nova, and UD were all equally as physical teams as NDSU was, and a couple of those teams were probably more physical. I just don't get this about you guys. It's like you think that unless you play in the barren tundra of North Dakota you can't be tough or something. There was no "physical play" that caught up with him. His foot got trapped during a tackle and got bent a weird way. It was just unlucky, plain and simple.

TJ had several dominating performances throughout the year. NDSU wasn't the first. Having him go down like combined with crappy weather which will always favor a ground and pound team like NDSU were the best things that could have happened for the Bison........4 second half turn-overs gifted and still couldn't get it done. That to me tells me all I need to know about that game.

You could see the difference in team speed in the first half, and I know it's just my opinion, but had that game been played in favorable field conditions, or even within the "FFD" it would not have been close, or certainly not as close as it was.

Hopefully we'll get another shot (or should I say the Bison will get another shot?) next year and be able to put all this BS behind us. Of course, even if EWU happened to win again we'd still probably hear all the bs excuses.
It's some sort of mantra with them, they always talk about how physical they are; they aren't any more physical than most of the MVC but I guess it's better than saying "we're not very fast".
They are more physical than anyone in the MVC, but not any more physical than anyone in the MVFC. :twocents:
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Bullshit. What is this "physical play" bullshit? You act like NDSU was the only team we played this year that was "physical". Montana, Nova, and UD were all equally as physical teams as NDSU was, and a couple of those teams were probably more physical. I just don't get this about you guys. It's like you think that unless you play in the barren tundra of North Dakota you can't be tough or something. There was no "physical play" that caught up with him. His foot got trapped during a tackle and got bent a weird way. It was just unlucky, plain and simple.

TJ had several dominating performances throughout the year. NDSU wasn't the first. Having him go down like combined with crappy weather which will always favor a ground and pound team like NDSU were the best things that could have happened for the Bison........4 second half turn-overs gifted and still couldn't get it done. That to me tells me all I need to know about that game.

You could see the difference in team speed in the first half, and I know it's just my opinion, but had that game been played in favorable field conditions, or even within the "FFD" it would not have been close, or certainly not as close as it was.

Hopefully we'll get another shot (or should I say the Bison will get another shot?) next year and be able to put all this BS behind us. Of course, even if EWU happened to win again we'd still probably hear all the bs excuses.
It's some sort of mantra with them, they always talk about how physical they are; they aren't any more physical than most of the MVC but I guess it's better than saying "we're not very fast".

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Here is what physical football looks like in a box score:

Score by quarters:
North Dakota State.. 50 75 100 131
Opponents........... 64 74 58 52

As the game wears on The BISON get stronger and the opponents get the stuffing knocked out of them.

Even though The BISON started the year with just a 3 pt win over a BCS/FBS school, the Kansas Jayhawks, The NDSU BISON did outscored opponents on the year by 101 pts.

If you can show me those stats for your team you too can say your team plays physical football, and you had better hope they do. If they dont the BISON will crush them.
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