NDSU at Montana - Game Thread

[clenz]

My suspicions that NDSU's defense would be their worst in several years may have been true. They've graduated a ton of players on that side of the ball the last two offseasons and that's gonna take a toll on any team.

Both NDSU & UM lost big-time DEs, but the Bison seemed especially reliant on Kyle Emanuel last year. He had 19.5 sacks, but no one else on the team had more than 3 (in 16 games, no less). It appears the Griz were able to deal with Wagenmann's departure better than NDSU was able to offset Emanuel's.

Really!? WOW.

Their defense was great, but an extreme reason for that was CJ Smith one one side means no safety was needed over his side (and he was out for Montana). Kyle Emmanuel ate up 2 lineman on every play, shut down half the field, and still got to the QB. There were other GREAT players on that defense, but with those 2 you could shut down one entire half of the field without even blinking. Their defensive line wasn't great. It was all back 7 making the plays...and they had a hell of a back 7

[D1B]

This. Bison should have won.

They'll clean up their act and annihilate the Griz in playoffs, if the Griz make it.

Woulda shoulda coulda. Both teams played a great game, but to think the Bison are going to annihilate this Griz team is silly. The Griz are going to be a very dangerous team once this offense is firing on all cylinders. Neither team is going to blow each other out and any future matchup this year will be a close game.

Great win no doubt, but it was handed to you, and you barely cashed it in.

Bison drew the short straw and had to play against your vaunted new offense first. Now every Griz opponent has seen it. Sure it may get better, but teams will also be better prepared for it.

By the time you play NDSU or ILSU, it will be just another scheme, and you still have to play defense.



See how that works?

[Chizzang]

Settle down here now people
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Says that on average every NCAA Football team graduates between 12 and 15 seniors every year
like clock work people

Last season NDSU graduated 17 Seniors (above average) True enough
This Bison team (2015) has 12 seniors on their Football Roster (within the parameters of average)

Anyway

Every team goes through this every season... its what happens and it is measurable
And nothing that extraordinary has happened to the Bison
unless you consider 2 more seniors than average graduated last season

If graduating 2 more seniors than average is going to cause a collapse then
that is a recruiting and coaching issue - and I would argue NDSU suffers from neither of those

But here's one:
The Bison have 4 senior offensive linemen this season
statistically they should dominate there

[Grizalltheway]

Settle down here now people
Line Makers http://linemakers.sportingnews.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Says that on average every NCAA Football team graduates between 12 and 15 seniors every year
like clock work people

Last season NDSU graduated 17 Seniors (above average) True enough
This Bison team (2015) has 12 seniors on their Football Roster (within the parameters of average)

Anyway

Every team goes through this every season... its what happens and it is measurable
And nothing that extraordinary has happened to the Bison
unless you consider 2 more seniors than average graduated last season

But here's one:
The Bison have 4 senior offensive linemen this season
statistically they should dominate there

They also had a massive size advantage in the trenches.

Our lines played admirably.

[Grizalltheway]

Woulda shoulda coulda. Both teams played a great game, but to think the Bison are going to annihilate this Griz team is silly. The Griz are going to be a very dangerous team once this offense is firing on all cylinders. Neither team is going to blow each other out and any future matchup this year will be a close game.

Great win no doubt, but it was handed to you, and you barely cashed it in.

Bison drew the short straw and had to play against your vaunted new offense first. Now every Griz opponent has seen it. Sure it may get better, but teams will also be better prepared for it.

By the time you play NDSU or ILSU, it will be just another scheme, and you still have to play defense.



See how that works?

Their defense did not have a poor game schematically, but the athleticism and size we have at WR led to a lot of big plays. The rest of the teams we face will have to deal with that same athleticism and size, and good luck with that.

See how that works?

[D1B]

Settle down here now people
Line Makers http://linemakers.sportingnews.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Says that on average every NCAA Football team graduates between 12 and 15 seniors every year
like clock work people

Last season NDSU graduated 17 Seniors (above average) True enough
This Bison team (2015) has 12 seniors on their Football Roster (within the parameters of average)

Anyway

Every team goes through this every season... its what happens and it is measurable
And nothing that extraordinary has happened to the Bison
unless you consider 2 more seniors than average graduated last season

But here's one:
The Bison have 4 senior offensive linemen this season
statistically they should dominate there

They also had a massive size advantage in the trenches.

Our lines played admirably.

They sure did, but NDSU's coaches bailed em out with poor play calling (playing not to lose vs playing to win) and piss poor game management.

When it counts in the playoffs I would still give the edge to NDSU. Those kids are battle tested in big games and they'll make adjustments. Most em have played in at least one NC. Griz haven't won a NC since the Nixon Administration.

[Chizzang]

They also had a massive size advantage in the trenches.

Our lines played admirably.

They sure did, but NDSU's coaches bailed em out with poor play calling (playing not to lose vs playing to win) and piss poor game management.

When it counts in the playoffs I would still give the edge to NDSU. Those kids are battle tested in big games and they'll make adjustments. Most em have played in at least one NC. Griz haven't won a NC since the Nixon Administration.

You haven't made one relevant point...

A senior loaded 310 LB offensive line that ran for over 200 yards that game
and in the final 3 minutes instead of run they passed
That is NOT playing not to lose that's aggressive as hell and attacking

Next:
The "game Management" was pretty excellent by NDSU
They controlled the time of possession (their hallmark)
won the field position battle
Won the turnover battle

What happened that seems to be confusing you is
They did everything they needed to do - ran for 200 plus yards
Controlled the clock
won the turnover battle

And still got beat
- I'll explain it slower if you want me to

[Brock Landers]

They also had a massive size advantage in the trenches.

Our lines played admirably.

They sure did, but NDSU's coaches bailed em out with poor play calling (playing not to lose vs playing to win) and piss poor game management.

When it counts in the playoffs I would still give the edge to NDSU. Those kids are battle tested in big games and they'll make adjustments. Most em have played in at least one NC. Griz haven't won a NC since the Nixon Administration.

And the Panthers haven't lost to us by less than 38 in... fuck knows how long. Maybe you should just stick to putting up terrible troll jobs on the poli board

[Gil Dobie]

Bison Defense lost 9 starters on defense and the 10th was out injured. Still the Griz replacements were obviously better than the Bison replacements.

My suspicions that NDSU's defense would be their worst in several years may have been true. They've graduated a ton of players on that side of the ball the last two offseasons and that's gonna take a toll on any team.

Both NDSU & UM lost big-time DEs, but the Bison seemed especially reliant on Kyle Emanuel last year. He had 19.5 sacks, but no one else on the team had more than 3 (in 16 games, no less). It appears the Griz were able to deal with Wagenmann's departure better than NDSU was able to offset Emanuel's.

The Griz have a good team, so it's not just the graduation loss, it's also better coaching and players coming in for Montana. It's not really about the number of seniors that graduate, it's about replacing the starters and impact players.

[Grizalltheway]

They sure did, but NDSU's coaches bailed em out with poor play calling (playing not to lose vs playing to win) and piss poor game management.

When it counts in the playoffs I would still give the edge to NDSU. Those kids are battle tested in big games and they'll make adjustments. Most em have played in at least one NC. Griz haven't won a NC since the Nixon Administration.

You haven't made one relevant point...

A senior loaded 310 LB offensive line that ran for over 200 yards that game
and in the final 3 minutes instead of run they passed
That is NOT playing not to lose that's aggressive as hell and attacking

Next:
The "game Management" was pretty excellent by NDSU
They controlled the time of possession (their hallmark)
won the field position battle
Won the turnover battle

What happened that seems to be confusing you is
They did everything they needed to do - ran for 200 plus yards
Controlled the clock
won the turnover battle

And still got beat
- I'll explain it slower if you want me to

No, they did not win the turnover battle-2 lost fumbles to Montana's 1 INT.

[Gil Dobie]

No, they did not win the turnover battle-2 lost fumbles to Montana's 1 INT.

NDSU 2 fumbles lost, Montana 1 int, 1 fumble lost, so it looks even.

[Brock Landers]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bcHpzi ... u.be&t=169[/youtube]

You can see the jackass grabs/runs into one of the refs before confronting Morlock. God I hope he gets nailed.

[89Hen]

Was this game already played? Who won?

[Gil Dobie]

Was this game already played? Who won?

You missed one of the best games of the season.

[Grizalltheway]

Was this game already played? Who won?

You missed one of the best games of the season.

Good. He ain't worthy.

[D1B]

They sure did, but NDSU's coaches bailed em out with poor play calling (playing not to lose vs playing to win) and piss poor game management.

When it counts in the playoffs I would still give the edge to NDSU. Those kids are battle tested in big games and they'll make adjustments. Most em have played in at least one NC. Griz haven't won a NC since the Nixon Administration.

You haven't made one relevant point...

A senior loaded 310 LB offensive line that ran for over 200 yards that game
and in the final 3 minutes instead of run they passed
That is NOT playing not to lose that's aggressive as hell and attacking

Next:
The "game Management" was pretty excellent by NDSU
They controlled the time of possession (their hallmark)
won the field position battle
Won the turnover battle

What happened that seems to be confusing you is
They did everything they needed to do - ran for 200 plus yards
Controlled the clock
won the turnover battle

And still got beat
- I'll explain it slower if you want me to

It's a game of inches and seconds.

When it was absolutely the time to manage the clock and call the right plays, they didn't. Thanks for highlighting...
"A senior loaded 310 LB offensive line that ran for over 200 yards that game
and in the final 3 minutes instead of run they passed."

What you missed, Cleets, is I'm focusing on the last few minutes, or in other words - THE game.

[89Hen]

Was this game already played? Who won?

You missed one of the best games of the season.

One of? I'd pretty much guarantee it was the best game of the season and there's not ever a close second.

[D1B]

They sure did, but NDSU's coaches bailed em out with poor play calling (playing not to lose vs playing to win) and piss poor game management.

When it counts in the playoffs I would still give the edge to NDSU. Those kids are battle tested in big games and they'll make adjustments. Most em have played in at least one NC. Griz haven't won a NC since the Nixon Administration.

And the Panthers haven't lost to us by less than 38 in... fuck knows how long. Maybe you should just stick to putting up terrible troll jobs on the poli board

Fuck UNI. Gave up on em after the Richmond game eons ago. So that shit don't work on me. Fuck, I've been to more Griz games in the last 15 years than UNI, and I live in the Midwest. Just opinion i'm offering. Take it or leave it.

On to more important things...

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[Chizzang]

You haven't made one relevant point...

A senior loaded 310 LB offensive line that ran for over 200 yards that game
and in the final 3 minutes instead of run they passed
That is NOT playing not to lose that's aggressive as hell and attacking

Next:
The "game Management" was pretty excellent by NDSU
They controlled the time of possession (their hallmark)
won the field position battle
Won the turnover battle

What happened that seems to be confusing you is
They did everything they needed to do - ran for 200 plus yards
Controlled the clock
won the turnover battle

And still got beat
- I'll explain it slower if you want me to

It's a game of inches and seconds.

When it was absolutely the time to manage the clock and call the right plays, they didn't. Thanks for highlighting...
"A senior loaded 310 LB offensive line that ran for over 200 yards that game
and in the final 3 minutes instead of run they passed."

What you missed, Cleets, is I'm focusing on the last few minutes, or in other words - THE game.

So you retract you assertion that they were playing NOT TO LOSE
if you pull that clunker out of your rant then you at least make some sense

[D1B]

It's a game of inches and seconds.

When it was absolutely the time to manage the clock and call the right plays, they didn't. Thanks for highlighting...
"A senior loaded 310 LB offensive line that ran for over 200 yards that game
and in the final 3 minutes instead of run they passed."

What you missed, Cleets, is I'm focusing on the last few minutes, or in other words - THE game.

So you retract you assertion that they were playing NOT TO LOSE
if you pull that clunker out of your rant then you at least make some sense

Yep. I'll pull it.

[Chizzang]

So you retract you assertion that they were playing NOT TO LOSE
if you pull that clunker out of your rant then you at least make some sense

Yep. I'll pull it.

I don't even know who you are anymore...

but I still love you for that ^ post up there

[93henfan]

You missed one of the best games of the season.

One of? I'd pretty much guarantee it was the best game of the season and there's not ever a close second.

Not until Delaware hosts Jacksonville. Now there's a true marquee matchup!

[Bronco]

Agreeing with d1b

I was scratching my head with Stitt's calls the whole game
When he kicked the 3 at the end of the game I thought Okay maybe onside kick…nope
After that I said to my seat mates that all the stars will have to align to have his plan work

They did align…with the help of the NDSU play calling

He’s a hero today but a lucky hero…could have been a zero very easily
I want him to succeed but his philosophy will lose us a close game down the road

[Brock Landers]

And the Panthers haven't lost to us by less than 38 in... fuck knows how long. Maybe you should just stick to putting up terrible troll jobs on the poli board

Fuck UNI. Gave up on em after the Richmond game eons ago. So that shit don't work on me. Fuck, I've been to more Griz games in the last 15 years than UNI, and I live in the Midwest. Just opinion i'm offering. Take it or leave it.

On to more important things...

I noticed you're unhappy with my troll jobs on the Poli Board. Would be so kind to take a survey that will help me improve my trolling and in turn your CS. COM experience? It will only take minute of your time and by completing the survey, you'll be automatically entered into a drawing to win a brand new kitchen!

1. How many years have you been posting on football message boards?

2. During this time, how many girls have you dated?

As the manager of D1B Inc., I want to thank you for giving us the opportunity to serve you. We appreciate your readership and want to make sure we meet your expectations.

Sincerely,

Julian Plantagenet, Esq.

Since 2004, and just your mother so I guess .693 women.

[Chizzang]

Agreeing with d1b

I was scratching my head with Stitt's calls the whole game
When he kicked the 3 at the end of the game I thought Okay maybe onside kick…nope
After that I said to my seat mates that all the stars will have to align to have his plan work

They did align…with the help of the NDSU play calling

He’s a hero today but a lucky hero…could have been a zero very easily
I want him to succeed but his philosophy will lose us a close game down the road

I think he was working to psychologically shape this team
If everybody buys in to the insanity - it turns out to be not that insane

Many sports (Football included) have some old philosophical / ideological practices
That statistically don't actually make any sense

In Baseball the sacrifice bunt to move runners over is statistically PROVEN to be less effective
Yet MLB coaches still use it to no avail - completely ignoring the FACTS

This coach is going to challenge every idea



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