Just plain hate! Richmond vs JMU

[mcveyrl]

Will the KWSMC have a track?

What about a holding cell?

I don't know if you've read the whole thread, but one of the UR recruits that we got wasn't Kevin Grayson.

[JMU DJ]

Yes, even though its really like 80-20 because of the grades thing. Can you respond to my query from the prior post? How in the world aren't you guys beating us on more of these kids?

We'll see what we can do to get majors on Richmondspiders.com. You'll see a good number of kids getting a Major from a Top 20 business school nationally. I believe they are listed in the Gameday programs.

I haven't read through this whole thread, nor do I know where this argument of academics arose from, but I'm guessing you have a statement from Richmond or the Athlete which says they could not accept the offer because of grades? I would be interested in seeing those numbers though, I do appreciate it when kids actually take a route that interest/challenges them instead of leisure studies. Also, JMU's business school ain't too shabby.

Looking off of that "Recruitrecon.com" site your friend posted, over the past two years, JMU has "taken" 7 recruits from UR... UR has "taken" 6 from JMU. Granted, your arguments about academic eligibility could be valid, though I would think you are overestimating your position. I think the main reason we aren't beating you on more of these kids is the same reason you aren't beating us on more of these kids. IMO, JMU and Richmond both have elite football programs for the division of football that we play in, we're both in state and also have to compete with UVA, VT, W&M, ODU, etc for recruits. You could have this same argument with W&M, heck ODU kids are already talking about stealing all the recruits. As long as both programs remain at the level they are currently playing at (baring a repeat of JMU's prior season ), recruiting "steals" should stay the same between schools.

Plus, in my experienced time at a school with an FBS program, plenty of kids make verbal commitments and then bail on them. I can name two or three from this years recruiting class alone. Nothing to do with academics, just Lance Kiffin and Urban ended up making a better pitch in the end.

By the way, I love how the other guy says I don't have enough posts here to have a credible opinion. I had over 1000 at AGS before Syntax Error gave me -1M Rep Points and I began posting over here.

Don't know which guy you are referring to, my guess is BDK, but post count don't matter on this site.

DJ, I'm assuming you're insinuating that we have a haven for athletes the way that you do. Here's an excerpt from a report commissioned during the Cooper years (he had it out for athletes). Unfortunately for you, the report found that we don't have anything nearly like your Kinesiology major with a sports management concentration.

Nope, wasn't suggesting you were a haven for athletes, just suggesting that for a school of people who like to tout their academic prowess, why don't you tout it for your athletes? This decade old article you cited below could be found for most universities if you poll all of their athletes. At quick glance, I found numerous sites for academic accolades for JMU athletes. How about for your football players though?

D.) Student athlete Majors Compared to Majors of Student Non-athletes
Appendix 11 shows the distribution of athletes and non-athletes by major in the 1999 and 2000 entering classes, the only ones for which we have complete data through graduation. For many majors the numbers of students are too small to permit meaningful comparisons. Nevertheless, the data allow a number of important observations, outlined below.

• The results show that athletes and non-athletes find the social sciences and business to be popular majors. However, the differences between the numbers of student athletes and student non-athletes are not statistically significant.

• The only major that attracted student athletes in significantly higher proportion than student non-athletes is Rhetoric and Communication Studies, in which athletes majored at a rate two-and-a-half times that of non-athletes.

• Grade distributions among Arts and Sciences departments from 2000 to the present, prepared by the Registrar’s Office, indicate that the grading in Rhetoric and Communication Studies, year by year, is not significantly different from the average for the School of Arts and Sciences generally.

• A significantly smaller percentage of athletes than non-athletes majored in Accounting, English, and Journalism.
We found little evidence that athletes seek out particular majors in a pattern that differs from undergraduates in general, and, in the one case in which they do, there is no evidence that grading standards play a role in that choice.

The Committee viewed this as a very positive finding, especially given what many believe to be easier routes to graduation for athletes in other schools. The University not only has high graduation rates for student athletes, but these student athlete graduates tend to represent the same range of diverse academic interests as our general student body.

According to your roster, 10 of the 11 (90.909%) seniors on this year's squad are Kinesiology majors (of course they also have a sports management concentration).

I wonder what it is about that program that makes football players so attracted to it. In fact, if you play football at JMU, according to information JMU has released about this senior class, you're about 19x more likely to major in Kinesiology than if you are a regular student.

Now that's just embarrassing. Looking through some of the other athletes that aren't in the senior class, my spirits were lifted a little... many more CIS, Computer Science, Business majors, etc outside of this years senior class. But I wouldn't say it is the Kinesiology major that is "attracting" football players. I haven't looked into our kinesiology program (ever), and always looked on it as a kind of joke... but I do know a couple of student athlete kin majors who are currently working on PhD's... so it can't be too big of a joke.

It seems a fair assumption that JMU simply made the decision several years ago to put a major emphasis on kinesiology with sports management concentration and is doing all it can to become the premiere institution in the nation for this particular specialty. It will no doubt open a new Graduate School of Kinesiology soon with money donated from its legions of NFL players, most of whom it stole from UR with the promise that the new building would one day bear their names. I suspect fundraising efforts are already underway for the McGhee-Landers-Moats School of KWSMC, which initially will accept 125 students a year but then will be partially torn down and rebuilt to accommodate as many as 34,000 additional students within 10 years.

Don't forget, JMU is starting the Sports and Recreation Management Major in 2011! It's no longer a concentration. I know this comes as great news to all of you UR folks. I would recommend transferring now to secure your spot in the major before all of our football players take them.

Will the KWSMC have a track?

Yes, since we have eliminated ours, we want out athletes to be prepared. That means surrounding them with a track at every possible moment so they will know how it feels and will be prepared when they play at UR and Nova. The track will be named after JMU legend and Scott Norwood.

[JMU DJ]

What about a holding cell?

I don't know if you've read the whole thread, but one of the UR recruits that we got wasn't Kevin Grayson.

[State Line Liquors]

I don't know if you've read the whole thread, but one of the UR recruits that we got wasn't Kevin Grayson.

Where I come from, squarely punching a drunk, uppity, fratboy who plays on the tennis team is typically considered good form.

[mcveyrl]

Where I come from, squarely punching a drunk, uppity, fratboy who plays on the tennis team is typically considered good form.

Where they come from it gets you three years probation and a six-month suspended sentence. Not that the fratter didn't have it coming, but those in glass houses...

[ur2K]

DJ, I'm assuming you're insinuating that we have a haven for athletes the way that you do. Here's an excerpt from a report commissioned during the Cooper years (he had it out for athletes). Unfortunately for you, the report found that we don't have anything nearly like your Kinesiology major with a sports management concentration.

Nope, wasn't suggesting you were a haven for athletes, just suggesting that for a school of people who like to tout their academic prowess, why don't you tout it for your athletes? This decade old article you cited below could be found for most universities if you poll all of their athletes. At quick glance, I found numerous sites for academic accolades for JMU athletes. How about for your football players though?

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Here's something more recent.

http://www.richmondspiders.com/sports/m ... 10aaa.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Spiders05]

Where I come from, squarely punching a drunk, uppity, fratboy who plays on the tennis team is typically considered good form.

Where they come from it gets you three years probation and a six-month suspended sentence. Not that the fratter didn't have it coming, but those in glass houses...

This Kevin Grayson? http://www.richmondspiders.com/sports/m ... 10aac.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; The Kevin Grayson that was voted by his fellow students to be a student senator? The one who organized anti-discrimination and anti-hate forums on campus? It's too bad you didn't get him. He's one hell of a kid.

[Spiders05]

Or perhaps it was this Grayson...forgot he mentored and was a volunteer track coach at a local middle school.

http://www.vasportsnow.com/2009/08/12/u ... ight-path/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[JMU DJ]

Nope, wasn't suggesting you were a haven for athletes, just suggesting that for a school of people who like to tout their academic prowess, why don't you tout it for your athletes? This decade old article you cited below could be found for most universities if you poll all of their athletes. At quick glance, I found numerous sites for academic accolades for JMU athletes. How about for your football players though?

Here's something more recent.

http://www.richmondspiders.com/sports/m ... 10aaa.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nice


Found it here too: http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/ncaahome ... chool.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[mcveyrl]

Where they come from it gets you three years probation and a six-month suspended sentence. Not that the fratter didn't have it coming, but those in glass houses...

This Kevin Grayson? http://www.richmondspiders.com/sports/m ... 10aac.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; The Kevin Grayson that was voted by his fellow students to be a student senator? The one who organized anti-discrimination and anti-hate forums on campus? It's too bad you didn't get him. He's one hell of a kid.

Again, I'm sure he's great. But you can't say something about holding cells and not expect to get that in return. It's the whole reason I don't bring up academics, the kinesiology thing is embarrassing.

But, a lot of our Kinesiology majors are good kids too. Scotty McGee was one of them and he is a great person. If we're going to be cutting slack for people that are good people we should probably just close the thread, maybe even the site, down.

[mcveyrl]

Or perhaps it was this Grayson...forgot he mentored and was a volunteer track coach at a local middle school.

http://www.vasportsnow.com/2009/08/12/u ... ight-path/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It WAS that Grayson. And he's still a convicted criminal. That's what happens when you punch somebody in the face (even if they deserved it). I run up against people every day that I want to punch in the face, but I don't do it.

BTW, it doesn't make him a bad person, but it still makes him a criminal.

[State Line Liquors]

but those in glass houses...

Which is more or less why I thought it was strange you mentioned Grayson. I hadn't seen a Richmond fan mention any JMU player indiscretions.

Isn't there a holding cell in the new JMU stadium? http://boards.caazone.com/showthread.php?t=95149

[mcveyrl]

but those in glass houses...

Which is more or less why I thought it was strange you mentioned Grayson. I hadn't seen a Richmond fan mention any JMU player indiscretions.

Isn't there a holding cell in the new JMU stadium? http://boards.caazone.com/showthread.php?t=95149

No, that got cleared up pretty quick. It's a lounge for on-site cops that could be used to hold an unruly fan. More like a principal's office than a holding cell. But even if it was, I have zero problem with it. There are some fans that need it.

Because of the context of the discussion, I assumed (maybe incorrectly) that he was equating the football players -- during a discussion of the kinesiology degree and accompanying building -- with some sort of indiscretion (i.e., they need a holding cell at the new, fancy L-M-M kinesiology school for the players). If my assumption was incorrect, I apologize for bringing Grayson up, but I still think everything I said about him is true.

[PenthouseClosedEnd]

Should we temporarily put our weapons down and walk slowly away from this thread? Training Camp (presented by nTelos) hasn't even opened yet, and I've grown tired of this.

You guys have Chokies to worry about and we have the Yahoos.

Should we put a note on our calendars to reconvene this around October 1st?

[State Line Liquors]

bump

[PenthouseClosedEnd]

bump

Hey HenAhmedenijad, are you trying to pull off some 'Sum of all Fears'-type stuff with Richmond and JMU?

Why don't you start a range-war with the Indian fans and carry the torch for a little while?

How about this: Stan Yagiello blows. Discuss.

[jd of de]

Enough with the stadium size crap.

If you've ever been to UR you know the campus is surrounded by million dollar homes. The only way the area residents would agree to a on-campus football stadium was if the capacity (and hence traffic volume on game day) did not exceed the size of the Robbins Center. UR had the choice of the stadium they built or playing in that old rat hole off campus.

[BDKJMU]

Dude, look again. 4 in the 2010' class and ONE in 2009', Jacob Pierce. Thats 5.

I know it was an oversight, but you're not helping your cause. Look at Alex Asher....he's two, which makes a total of six.

http://recruitrecon.com/index.php?optio ... Itemid=342" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ok, I see now. Recruitrecon JMU page down near the bottom says Asher signed with UR. Recruitrecon UR page, which I was naturally looking at for UR signees, lists Asher as walked on at UNC. So which is right?
http://recruitrecon.com/index.php?optio ... Itemid=342" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[ur2K]

It's game week.

[kdinva]

It's game week.

.......and the winner will have a chance of being 21st in the playoff bracket discussions in three weeks.

[93henfan]

Damn Virginia schools are really dragging the CAA down in football.

[PenthouseClosedEnd]

Well, at least the JMU Aministrators should get some time for a site visit at City Stadium where they'll be hosting playoff games in a few weeks, right?

[State Line Liquors]

I get the feeling that this rivalry actually has more bad blood that the UR/W&M rivalry and the JMU v whoever they play last game of the year, game.

Do Richmond fans ever get angry about JMU badmouthing the size of their stadium and chiding about the track around it? What about all the 'sweater' references?

Do JMU fans ever get angry that UR fans say that Bridgeforth was made with cheap aluminum and looks like a stadium purchased at IKEA?

[PenthouseClosedEnd]

Do JMU fans ever get angry that UR fans say that Bridgeforth was made with cheap aluminum and looks like a stadium purchased at IKEA?

I didn't say that, but now that you mention it..

It looked pretty empty on TV last Saturday. Was that just an attempt to "accentuate" the alluminum?

[green&gold75]

I get the feeling that this rivalry actually has more bad blood that the UR/W&M rivalry and the JMU v whoever they play last game of the year, game.

Do Richmond fans ever get angry about JMU badmouthing the size of their stadium and chiding about the track around it? What about all the 'sweater' references?

Do JMU fans ever get angry that UR fans say that Bridgeforth was made with cheap aluminum and looks like a stadium purchased at IKEA?

Nice work SLL!