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JBB wrote:The MVFC outdraws the BSC. It was by over 100,000 last year. Thats the true measure of a conference. All of this other stuff comes and goes.

Here are the FCS conferences in order of attendance:

1. Southwestern Athletic
2. Southern
3. Colonial
4. Missouri Valley Football
5. Mid-Eastern Athletic
6. Big Sky
7. Ivy
8. Southland
9. Ohio Valley
10. Great West
11. Big South
12. Patriot
13. Pioneer
14. Northeast
15. Independents
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Well Sir, look where you find most of your playoff teams year in and year out. The Big Schools are generally in the Big Conferences and they are making the commitment to the sport necessary for success over time, therefor they are the best conferences.

The best conferences are the conferences with the best attendance. Attendance is a true indicator of success.

Many of "The BIG programs" like NDSU also stand out for sustaining success over a long period of time. NDSU has been a perennial contender on the national scene since the mid 1960s. Their early success in the FCS is certainly exciting and points the way to a Division 1 tradition of success as well! The MVFC boasts good attendance.
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With the Scats recent upgrade to apprx 20K, the Big Sky will be boasting some good total conference attendance figures in the years to come. Although, with the new members joining, our conferences avg attendance will drop.

Still don't understand why you think attendance means success though... EWU wasn't enough of a clue for ya???
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JBB wrote:Well Sir, look where you find most of your playoff teams year in and year out. The Big Schools are generally in the Big Conferences and they are making the commitment to the sport necessary for success over time, therefor they are the best conferences.

The best conferences are the conferences with the best attendance. Attendance is a true indicator of success.

Many of "The BIG programs" like NDSU also stand out for sustaining success over a long period of time. NDSU has been a perennial contender on the national scene since the mid 1960s. Their early success in the FCS is certainly exciting and points the way to a Division 1 tradition of success as well! The MVFC boasts good attendance.
Well when you put it that way...
I for one welcome our new SWAC overlords, and praise their commitment (budget) to the sport and accomplishments at being the best (0-18) FCS conference
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JBB wrote:The MVFC outdraws the BSC. It was by over 100,000 last year. Thats the true measure of a conference. All of this other stuff comes and goes.

Here are the FCS conferences in order of attendance:

1. Southwestern Athletic
2. Southern
3. Colonial
4. Missouri Valley Football
5. Mid-Eastern Athletic
6. Big Sky
7. Ivy
8. Southland
9. Ohio Valley
10. Great West
11. Big South
12. Patriot
13. Pioneer
14. Northeast
15. Independents

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ArmyOfDarkness wrote:With the Scats recent upgrade to apprx 20K, the Big Sky will be boasting some good total conference attendance figures in the years to come. Although, with the new members joining, our conferences avg attendance will drop.

Still don't understand why you think attendance means success though... EWU wasn't enough of a clue for ya???
A couple years ago it was ASU, one of the biggest programs in the country. Before that GSU, same thing big national program. They arent national champions right now but they are still big programs. EWU is NC right now and when that changes this season they will no longer be champions or a big program. Get the difference yet?
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Silenoz wrote:
JBB wrote:Well Sir, look where you find most of your playoff teams year in and year out. The Big Schools are generally in the Big Conferences and they are making the commitment to the sport necessary for success over time, therefor they are the best conferences.

The best conferences are the conferences with the best attendance. Attendance is a true indicator of success.

Many of "The BIG programs" like NDSU also stand out for sustaining success over a long period of time. NDSU has been a perennial contender on the national scene since the mid 1960s. Their early success in the FCS is certainly exciting and points the way to a Division 1 tradition of success as well! The MVFC boasts good attendance.
Well when you put it that way...
I for one welcome our new SWAC overlords, and praise their commitment (budget) to the sport and accomplishments at being the best (0-18) FCS conference
It goes without saying the Colonial and So Con & MVFC fit the bill. The SWAC is an interesting situation with some very interesting attendance stats.
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JBB wrote:
ArmyOfDarkness wrote:With the Scats recent upgrade to apprx 20K, the Big Sky will be boasting some good total conference attendance figures in the years to come. Although, with the new members joining, our conferences avg attendance will drop.

Still don't understand why you think attendance means success though... EWU wasn't enough of a clue for ya???
A couple years ago it was ASU, one of the biggest programs in the country. Before that GSU, same thing big national program. They arent national champions right now but they are still big programs. EWU is NC right now and when that changes this season they will no longer be champions or a big program. Get the difference yet?
You're using the clealy defined measuring stick of "bigger". Michigan and Tennessee are clearly "bigger" than Boise State and TCU. But are they as relevant?
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What do you mean by relevant?

Michigan will always be more relevant in the CFB world than Boise State (unless BSU wins a NC)
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clenz wrote:What do you mean by relevant?

Michigan will always be more relevant in the CFB world than Boise State (unless BSU wins a NC)
Well that's the argument we're having. IMO Michigan has not been as relevant as BSU for quite some time now. To me, relevancy is the success of your program not the size. The attention Michigan football now gets has more to do with coaching changes which are less relevant than performance. Of course JBB will argue that NDSU's stadium, conference, and attendance are more relevant than the fact that the BSC has had a team in the finals and EWU won it all last year. :tothehand:
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Here's a better way to look at it: Kentucky football draws twice what Boise does
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Silenoz wrote:Here's a better way to look at it: Kentucky football draws twice what Boise does
Thanks, I was looking for a better analogy. :thumb:
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The CAA will get a pop in attendance with ODU joining and JMU expanding.

Here's another guy's take, he has the CAA #1.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sns-tsn-a ... 9611.story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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DaBigBlue wrote:The CAA will get a pop in attendance with ODU joining and JMU expanding.

Here's another guy's take, he has the CAA #1.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sns-tsn-a ... 9611.story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
How can this rube NOT have the SWAC rated number 1?? :hater: :ohno:
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clenz wrote:
JBB wrote:The MVFC outdraws the BSC. It was by over 100,000 last year. Thats the true measure of a conference. All of this other stuff comes and goes.

Here are the FCS conferences in order of attendance:

1. Southwestern Athletic
2. Southern
3. Colonial
4. Missouri Valley Football
5. Mid-Eastern Athletic
6. Big Sky
7. Ivy
8. Southland
9. Ohio Valley
10. Great West
11. Big South
12. Patriot
13. Pioneer
14. Northeast
15. Independents
SWAC and MEAC are nowhere close to the CAA, SoCon, Big Sky, or MVFC
The SWAC is so good they don’t even bother sending a team to the playoffs. This is the only reason the other conferences can enjoy FCS post season success.
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SDHornet wrote:
clenz wrote:SWAC and MEAC are nowhere close to the CAA, SoCon, Big Sky, or MVFC
The SWAC is so good they don’t even bother sending a team to the playoffs. This is the only reason the other conferences can enjoy FCS post season success.
Yeah we didn't want your coaches to short circuit their brains trying to out coach those living computers on our side lines. And after reading a thread about the site of the Villanova/Delaware game, I know none of the fans would want to step foot in Jackson or Baton Rouge. :lol:
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Grizalltheway wrote:
DaBigBlue wrote:The CAA will get a pop in attendance with ODU joining and JMU expanding.

Here's another guy's take, he has the CAA #1.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sns-tsn-a ... 9611.story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
How can this rube NOT have the SWAC rated number 1?? :hater: :ohno:
he did a reverse ranking :thumb: :ugeek:
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JBB wrote:
Silenoz wrote: Well when you put it that way...
I for one welcome our new SWAC overlords, and praise their commitment (budget) to the sport and accomplishments at being the best (0-18) FCS conference
It goes without saying the Colonial and So Con & MVFC fit the bill. The SWAC is an interesting situation with some very interesting attendance stats.
My conference has enough issues, they don't need to be saddled with your vote of confidence. :coffee:
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DaBigBlue wrote:The CAA will get a pop in attendance with ODU joining and JMU expanding.

Here's another guy's take, he has the CAA #1.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sns-tsn-a ... 9611.story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Excellent article. The top 5 conferences based on success

1) CAA
2) Southern
3) BSC
4) MVFC
5) Southland

Top 5 based on attendance
1. Southwestern Athletic
2. Southern
3. Colonial
4. Missouri Valley Football
5. Mid-Eastern Athletic
JBB wrote:If you are trying to predict which conference is "best" look to the conferences with the best attendance. There is no better indicator:
3 of the 5 conferences with top attendance are also in the top 5 considering performance on the field. Its easy to see how the #6 conference in attendance is boosted up by a national championship when it comes to rating success on the field.
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The article also made some interesting comments concerning a few points I have been making;

MONTANA ON DOWNWARD SPIRAL:
Montana, which was the runner-up in 2008 and '09, seems to have lost its footing within the conference, let alone nationally.
PARITY IN THE MVFC LAST SEASON:
There was great balance in the conference last season and this season could be similar.
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JBB wrote:The article also made some interesting comments concerning a few points I have been making;

MONTANA ON DOWNWARD SPIRAL:
Montana, which was the runner-up in 2008 and '09, seems to have lost its footing within the conference, let alone nationally.
PARITY IN THE MVFC LAST SEASON:
There was great balance in the conference last season and this season could be similar.
There's a fine line between balance and mediocrity, and the MVC is on the wrong side of it. :coffee:
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Missouri Valley Football Conference - The other definitive power
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sns-tsn-a ... 9611.story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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tampajag wrote:Yeah we didn't want your coaches to short circuit their brains trying to out coach those living computers on our side lines. And after reading a thread about the site of the Villanova/Delaware game, I know none of the fans would want to step foot in Jackson or Baton Rouge. :lol:
Huh? I've been to Baton Rouge before, well all over the LSU campus & surrounding neighborhood anyway. You want to compare Baton Rouge to Chester, PA?? Maybe I missed the excessive urban blight part of town if that's what you're referring to? If not, geez, if you ever visit Chester you'll never go North of the Mason/Dixon again....
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According to some FCS users, the independents are the best. I mean you've got Southern Alabama, Georgia State, and CHARLOTTE! It's not even close guys...just bow down to the independents and get it over with. :pray:
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JBB wrote:The article also made some interesting comments concerning a few points I have been making;

MONTANA ON DOWNWARD SPIRAL:
Montana, which was the runner-up in 2008 and '09, seems to have lost its footing within the conference, let alone nationally.
PARITY IN THE MVFC LAST SEASON:
There was great balance in the conference last season and this season could be similar.
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