Do you consider Youngstown State an elite FCS program?

[JBB]

In the Small College division and D2 45 scholarships were allowed. Thats now been whittled down to 28 I think.

I do know the difference between scholarships at the D2 and FCS levels is greater now than the difference between FCS and FBS.

[89Hen]

@89hen,

That's why there is some confusion. Maybe 30-35% of I-AA came from Division I and 70-75% from Division II, so therefore Small College/"old" Division II doesn't equal current FCS but was the closest thing available at the time.

So the debate becomes were there enough teams playing outside of Small College who are now FCS to make Small College Championships substantially different from I-AA/FCS since 1982?

There are so many factors to consider. Younger folks hear Patriot and think of the Patriot teams of today, not knowing that they were much better in the 70's. They would also think too highly of teams like W&M and Richmond who are I-AA players now, but were really weak in the 70's as a part of the SoCon.

All anyone has to do is go back and look at UD's schedules back then. 1975: Akron, El Cid, UNH, McNeese, UConn, Lehigh, Temple, Nova, Maine, Bucknell. The only current D2 on the slate that year was West Chester... just like today.

[grizzaholic]

Christ, you're stupid. At least Delaware's D-II titles were won when D-II was the next level down from D-I, whereas YOUR D-II titles were won when it was TWO levels down from D-I. Not even comparable, Einstein.

what a dipshit AZGrisFan is. you are the definition of stupid, and probably drunk too.

How else could you come off looking so dumb? Seriously AZGriz, you are the dumbest, loudest and most embarrassing poster in this thread so, do you think you are a total embarrassment to all of the Griz fans or just yourself?

NDSU National Championships
1965
1968
1969
1983
1085
1086
1988
1990

Take notice MONTANA fans. You did not invent football. NDSU, did in-fact, invent the game by winning the first two titles in 1085 and 1086.

Me, being a SUU fan, would like to thank NDSU for inventing such a great game.

[urmite]

There are so many factors to consider. Younger folks hear Patriot and think of the Patriot teams of today, not knowing that they were much better in the 70's. They would also think too highly of teams like W&M and Richmond who are I-AA players now, but were really weak in the 70's as a part of the SoCon.

All anyone has to do is go back and look at UD's schedules back then. 1975: Akron, El Cid, UNH, McNeese, UConn, Lehigh, Temple, Nova, Maine, Bucknell. The only current D2 on the slate that year was West Chester... just like today.

I remember the Patriot still having some good teams in the 90s. The SoCon of the 60s & 70s was split almost evenly between I-A & I-AA teams, so I don't think UR did too bad from '67-'76, even 5-6 was decent, and we did win the SoCon 4 out of those 10 years. I'll let the W&M people reminisce about Marv Levy & Lou Holtz...

BTW I wasn't trying to point out that you were wrong, just why it gets debated.

Oh, and speaking of the 70s, Damn Toledo! '69-'71

[JayJ79]

IMO, there was no level of football in the seventies that is really comparable to the FCS level of today.

[Blue Hen Fanatic]

YSU was the most successful DIAA-FCS Program in history, but have fallen from grace since Tressel left. Hey, I think he needs a job, right

[Green Cookie Monster]

No.

[citdog]

Cheaters