Montana, MSU ponder future in Big Sky Conference

[BlackFalkin]

I also think that people are mistaken when they equate city population size with fan base. Just because San Antonio is one of the largest cities by population, doesn't mean that they would draw a big crowd for football.

Yes it does dumb dumb. Theres is a DIRECT correlation.

markets with more football fans = higher attendance :genius:

[BearIt]

I also think that people are mistaken when they equate city population size with fan base. Just because San Antonio is one of the largest cities by population, doesn't mean that they would draw a big crowd for football.

Yes it does dumb dumb. Theres is a DIRECT correlation.

markets with more football fans = higher attendance :genious:

For example: look at Sac State and Portland State. They are located in 2 of the largest cities in the FCS. See how population=attendence, dumb dumb

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Yes it does dumb dumb. Theres is a DIRECT correlation.

markets with more football fans = higher attendance :genious:

For example: look at Sac State and Portland State. They are located in 2 of the largest cities in the FCS. See how population=attendence, dumb dumb

Or even Spokane vs. Missoula. He says some good things but throws out so much stupid shit.

[happyappy99]

markets with more football fans = higher attendance :genious:

This is the type of simple comment we've come to expect from your teeny brain. Just because there are more people doesn't mean there will be more football fans, or more specifially more football fans of that particular school. A lot of the largest cities have a lot of transplants living in them, and they cheer for their schools from wherever they are from. Then you'll have a ton of other people who are big fans of the big name programs only and could give a shit about the local school. Once you've weeded through all of these, you'll have a consistent weekly fan base of maybe 15 to 20,000 with another 5,000 coming in because they happen to be visiting.

Look at Charlotte. Everyone thought that because the city is the 18th largest in the country by population that there would be a huge support for football there. But they have had problems selling seats for the proposed stadium. There are just too many people here that are fans of SEC, ACC, Big East, and Big 10 schools to care about UNCC. And for those who don't care about the FBS schools, thye have their own small schools that they suppoort - even Div II and III.

In the end, you have a few people who will go just because it's there, but not necessarily more than anywhere else.

[happyappy99]

By the way, you misspelled Genius.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

By the way, you misspelled Genius.

That's the best thing about reading his posts.

[NAU_Alum10]

This situation reminds me of the scene from “A League of their Own”, when the scout really wants the better older sister (UM), but the only way the better older sister(UM) goes to play is if the younger less talented, cute adorable little sister(MSU) can come too.

Sorry no disrespect to MSU just call it as I see it, but the only reason MSU makes the jump is becasue they got the griz on their ticket. Montana is the only school in our conference that could make the jump and be consistently successful.

[BlackFalkin]

I also think that people are mistaken when they equate city population size with fan base. Just because San Antonio is one of the largest cities by population, doesn't mean that they would draw a big crowd for football.

Yes it does dumb dumb. Theres is a DIRECT correlation.

markets with more football fans = higher attendance :genius:

It was a joke idiots, and look how many of you dck ridin idiots jumped all over it. How can you calculate the amount of football fans in a city? You cant idiots. Kill yaselves. :Genius:

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Yes it does dumb dumb. Theres is a DIRECT correlation.

markets with more football fans = higher attendance :genius:

It was a joke idiots, and look how many of you dck ridin idiots jumped all over it. How can you calculate the amount of football fans in a city? You cant idiots. Kill yaselves. :Genius:

It's always a joke after you figure out you got owned trying to ride a dick again. We know that you were not thinking when you posted that and then thought to yourself "HEY! I'll just say I was joking since I got owned all over the board again."

[canyoncat]

This situation reminds me of the scene from “A League of their Own”, when the scout really wants the better older sister (UM), but the only way the better older sister(UM) goes to play is if the younger less talented, cute adorable little sister(MSU) can come too.

Sorry no disrespect to MSU just call it as I see it, but the only reason MSU makes the jump is becasue they got the griz on their ticket. Montana is the only school in our conference that could make the jump and be consistently successful.

Don't think you will get any arguments from MSU fans regarding a "move up". Personally I don't think the WAC will go after UM (UM's study will find they can't afford a move up) or MSU (no where near ready), they will go after SAC and PSU because of their population base and much better TV markets. Montana just doesn't have the population or tax base to support such a move at this time. Plus, with Boise gone, Fresno gone as well as Nevada, there goes the ESPN contract and any BCS games for a good number of years (unless Hawaii turns it around or doesn't go independent).

Look, I do think the Griz deserve a chance to move to the WAC or MWC. However, I just don't see how the state of Montana can afford it right now. We struggle enough with two FCS programs plus four other 4-year college's (MSU Northern, MSU Billings, UM Western and MT Tech). Plus all the "vo-tech" schools in Helena, Missoula and where ever else. All of this with a population of about 980,000.

[Herky]

Yes it does dumb dumb. Theres is a DIRECT correlation.

markets with more football fans = higher attendance :genious:

For example: look at Sac State and Portland State. They are located in 2 of the largest cities in the FCS. See how population=attendence, dumb dumb

Portland and Sac arent good examples as NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE BSC! If there were true regional rivals i.e. other CA schools etc there would be much higher attendance.

[Silenoz]

For example: look at Sac State and Portland State. They are located in 2 of the largest cities in the FCS. See how population=attendence, dumb dumb

Portland and Sac arent good examples as NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE BSC! If there were true regional rivals i.e. other CA schools etc there would be much higher attendance.

Hey it worked for the Sun Belt and MAC


Right?

[BearIt]

For example: look at Sac State and Portland State. They are located in 2 of the largest cities in the FCS. See how population=attendence, dumb dumb

Portland and Sac arent good examples as NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE BSC! If there were true regional rivals i.e. other CA schools etc there would be much higher attendance.

The poster stated that population is directly correlated to attendence therefore by that logic PSU and Sac State should be far and away the highest in attendence in the Big Sky and should be the top of the nation. How are they a bad example of colleges with a large population (not to mention enrollment)?

You are trying to say that there are other factors that impact attendence and that is just foolishness in BF logic.

[Big McLargehuge]

Penn State fills a 107k+ stadium week after week despite being in a population no fly zone while the major cities in Pennsylvania have varying amounts of support (Pitt does well enough, but they're not going to fill Heinz Field with regularity since this large market is entirely split between Penn State and Pitt support...Philadelphia is almost complete Penn State territory as Temple is little more than an afterthought for non-students/alumni). Growing up in Pittsburgh half of my street traveled the four hour drive to Penn State Friday night for the games the following day...people will travel for their team...market matters little if the support isn't built-in. I grew up a Penn State fan, not a Pitt fan...regardless of the distance (first college game I ever went to was Pitt-Penn State at Pitt Stadium when my sister was going to Pitt...I was rooting hard for Penn State).


Market is nice and all, but when it comes to college football I do think it gets overvalued. So many major cities have schools that have mediocre support while most of the major programs seem to be based in smaller areas.


I'm not trying to say the small market helps every school, I'm just saying just because a school is in a large market doesn't mean squat. People like to trash Montana's fan support because 'its all we have to do' here...and its largely true...and that helps drive the fan support to the level its at. The same can be said about most schools in the middle of nowhere. If you live in State College, Pennsylvania would you drive 4 hours to go anywhere of even remote interest or would you support the college with an intense fury? Same goes for much of the Southeast, where the limited major professional sports teams have largely struggled to find fan bases while the college teams remain king...because the population has more roots with the collegiate teams than the professional teams.


The fact that Montana is so sparsely populated and so spread out obviously caps what Montana and Montana State can be in comparison to the Alabamas and Penn States of the world...who are in relatively tiny areas but in pretty well populated states (Alabama has nearly 5 million people and Pennsylvania has roughly 12.5 million...even if almost all of it are in the southern corners of the state 4 hours away from State College). The thing is is that that population here is intensely into their teams, be it the Grizzlies or the Bobcats. That probably won't mean a whole lot in television numbers, but it will in attendance numbers...and television ratings, unless you're a major program, are largely based on how good the team is anyway. People in the east will watch Boise State because they're entertaining to watch and they're good, not because they have any ties to that said team. They're not going to be watching San Jose State or UNLV just because they're in large markets...which says nothing about the limited support those programs get from their own market.