Villanova football invited to Big East

[Dane96]

And FYI, Miami...a team most people hate. They don't fill "away stadiums" anymore. They dont have numerous alumni living up north.

[93henfan]

I am not dare pointing out Temple (nor should others) as an attendance comparison.

Why not? Temple played a Big East slate that was more attractive than what's in the Big East now. They had The U, Va Tech, and BC coming in on a regular basis in the addition to the remnants that are left now.

It's a valid comparison, and actually an optimistic one, since it's comparing a much more attractive Big East to the 2010 Big East.

[DJH]

Not enough fan support for an BCS program. Not even close.

[Dane96]

I am not dare pointing out Temple (nor should others) as an attendance comparison.

Why not? Temple played a Big East slate that was more attractive than what's in the Big East now. They had The U, Va Tech, and BC coming in on a regular basis in the addition to the remnants that are left now.

It's a valid comparison, and actually an optimistic one, since it's comparing a much more attractive Big East to the 2010 Big East.

BC was not considered elite then (trust me...i was a season ticket holder at BC during that time).

Only Miami was considered elite...and Va Tech was just breaking onto the scene fully. That said, there are no rivals in conference for Temple at that time. I.e. BC was hoops rivals with 'Cuse, WVA, etc. Temple doesnt have "all-sport" affiliation to build up the rivalries.

All this is bullshit anyway. If they do it...then my guess is the UNIVERSITY thinks they can build up the program like UCONN, USF, and others. And it doesn't matter what we all think.

[93henfan]

And FYI, Miami...a team most people hate. They don't fill "away stadiums" anymore. They dont have numerous alumni living up north.

Really?

Here's Miami's away attendance last year:

81077 (@FSU)
66233 (@VT)
48453 (@UCF)
30011 (@WF)
57500 (@UNC)
66469 (@USF)

How many other schools averaged 60K on the road?

[Dane96]

And FYI, Miami...a team most people hate. They don't fill "away stadiums" anymore. They dont have numerous alumni living up north.

Really?

Here's Miami's away attendance last year:

81077 (@FSU)
66233 (@VT)
48453 (@UCF)
30011 (@WF)
57500 (@UNC)
66469 (@USF)

Dude...when I mean "FILL STADIUMS" i mean like the Red Sox, Yankees, USC, Notre Dame, Manchester United, etc. Meaning, if the team itself (the home team) can't fill a stadium...then the visiting teams fans would likely help that.

FSU has been sold out for years (my cuz was on the championshiop team in 1993 as an O-lineman)
VA Tech has no problem selling out lane...hell they just expanded it.
UCF practically sells out all its games...brand new stadium.
Wake Forest...do ya know how big the stadium is and that it is RARELY empty?
UNC...see above...even in down years...always packed.
USF....see above....

I mean use your head.

[93henfan]

Use your head. You're trying to make an argument that The U doesn't draw fans. Clearly you're not an idiot, so don't try to play one.

I was making an argument that college football in Philly doesn't draw.

I'm right on both accounts.

[jcmanson]

So when this happens. What happens to the CAA?

[93henfan]

So when this happens. What happens to the CAA?

We look to invite any worthy school that wasn't founded by Jerry Falwell.

[Dane96]

Use your head. You're trying to make an argument that The U doesn't draw fans. Clearly you're not an idiot, so don't try to play one.

I was making an argument that college football in Philly doesn't draw.

I'm right on both accounts.

As someone who has been following UF, FSU and Miami for years (cousins played at FSU and Miami)...I can tell you this:

IT IS NO SECRET THAT MIAMI DOES NOT DRAW AT HOME OR ON THE ROAD.

The teams you mentioned do well whether or not Miami shows. Go look at the average attendence for those schools...and then show me that Miami's arrival for those games increased attendence dramatically. That...is the point.

Your argument that College Footbal doesnt draw in Philly lacks comparable evidence; only Temple has played at the Big Time in the CURRENT LANDSCAPE. Temple is fickle even with hoops fans. 'Nova last played big time moons ago. There is no true current comparison.

People (ahem, Holy Cross) thought that BC was making a mistake. Think they would like that decision back (one school no, the former school...yes). UCONN, S. Florida, UCF...all thought to be mistakes.

In this instance, 'Nova has an opportunity to get subsidized to go into a major BCS conference. I think the powers that be will market the shit out of this...and will draw fans from three states to games.

[93henfan]

..and will draw fans from three states to games.

Yeah. They'll draw 25,000 fans from three (or more) states (assuming the full-court marketing press you mention to triple their current attendance).

Temple football is very comparable, regardless of all your meticulous calculations and your extensive experience following several FBS programs.

Philly football fans care about: 1. The Philadelphia Eagles 2. The Philadelphia Eagles 3. The Penn State Nittany Lions

[Dane96]

..and will draw fans from three states to games.

Yeah. They'll draw 25,000 fans from three (or more) states (assuming the full-court marketing press you mention to triple their current attendance).

Temple football is very comparable, regardless of all your meticulous calculations and your extensive experience following several FBS programs.

Philly football fans care about: 1. The Philadelphia Eagles 2. The Philadelphia Eagles 3. The Penn State Nittany Lions

And Boston fans care about: 1- Patriots 2- Red Sox 3-Celtics 4- Bruins 5- Doing anything in the Cape, the Islands, skiing in NH, VT, Maine...............and a distant last....BC FOOTBALL.

They still do well however.

Again, this is all moot.

[93henfan]

And Boston fans care about: 1- Patriots 2- Red Sox 3-Celtics 4- Bruins 5- Doing anything in the Cape, the Islands, skiing in NH, VT, Maine...............and a distant last....BC FOOTBALL.

They still do well however.

Again, this is all moot.

Tell me again, for I may have missed it. Which Big Ten team is less than 200 miles from BC's campus?

[Libertine]

So when this happens. What happens to the CAA?

We look to invite any worthy school that wasn't founded by Jerry Falwell.

Nyuk nyuk nyuk nyuk.

So, Southern Utah then?

[jcmanson]

So when this happens. What happens to the CAA?

We look to invite any worthy school that wasn't founded by Jerry Falwell.

haha

But seriously, what about the other Northern schools? Once Nova and URI is gone what’s the CAA going to do to keep Maine, UNH, UMass? Will the CAA want to keep them?

[GannonFan]

Jealousy noted.





You assumed and made a ass of yourself. UD is not move up worthy either.

Oh please. GF and 86 have been dreaming of Big East football for years.

Hey, I'd take the Big East invite too - and nova should, they'd be crazy not to try.

However, trying and succeeding are vastly different things, and it's hard to come up with a way that they'll succeed. Without a legit stadium (and the trio of PPL Park in Chester, Franklin Field, and CBP in November isn't legit) then they'll also be struggling financially to compete with the real powers at the FBS level. And someday soon the Big East is going to be raided again and teams like 'Cuse and Pitt and others will leave.

nova's just barely treading water where they are right now in FCS (financially) and they think this can protect the basketball program. They'd be dumb not to try. But the market they're in won't support it, they don't have the state resources that helped make UConn a success, and they don't have a stadium. And ultimately, once they are left adrift in a shell of the Big East, the move to protect the basketball program won't have done that. If you ask me, I wouldn't be shocked to see nova football fold in the next 10-15 years after trying this. If they had a stadium or the means to build one, I'd say otherwise. But a new stadium isn't happening and that will doom them.

But like andy said, I'd take a Big East invite for UD in a second. But it ain't gonna happen.

[GannonFan]

We look to invite any worthy school that wasn't founded by Jerry Falwell.

haha

But seriously, what about the other Northern schools? Once Nova and URI is gone what’s the CAA going to do to keep Maine, UNH, UMass? Will the CAA want to keep them?

Where are those 3 going? Why won't the CAA want to keep them? It's a marriage of necessity for both and that's not changing anytime soon.

[Dane96]

And Boston fans care about: 1- Patriots 2- Red Sox 3-Celtics 4- Bruins 5- Doing anything in the Cape, the Islands, skiing in NH, VT, Maine...............and a distant last....BC FOOTBALL.

They still do well however.

Again, this is all moot.

Tell me again, for I may have missed it. Which Big Ten team is less than 200 miles from BC's campus?

???? HUH

What are you saying here? Are you still on the Penn State vs. Temple aspect. Penn State fans don't have to leave their paradise (humor) to go to Philly to watch them thrash temple.

On the other hand, a NY based alumni who doesnt get to see ND play regularly in NY, NJ, PA (same with USC...and other schools that recruit in the area) will jump to go down the highway to see 'Nova play their team...or the team they hope to play for.

This isnt rocket science.

[93henfan]

Tell me again, for I may have missed it. Which Big Ten team is less than 200 miles from BC's campus?

???? HUH

What are you saying here? Are you still on the Penn State vs. Temple aspect. Penn State fans don't have to leave their paradise (humor) to go to Philly to watch them thrash temple.

On the other hand, a NY based alumni who doesnt get to see ND play regularly in NY, NJ, PA (same with USC...and other schools that recruit in the area) will jump to go down the highway to see 'Nova play their team...or the team they hope to play for.

This isnt rocket science.

I guess you're having a tough time understanding that FBS fans in Philly root for Penn State.

Try reading that over and over and over until it sinks through your very thick forehead.

[Fact]

I think the initial buzz alone will sustain an attendance boom. Villanova-Temple drawing 30,000 people shows that there is SOME market for college football in Philadelphia. Villanova can draw fans when they play against a good team. Imagine Villanova-Notre Dame or Villanova-BC at the Linc.. That would sell out the place and a ton of Villanova people would end up showing.

[jcmanson]

haha

But seriously, what about the other Northern schools? Once Nova and URI is gone what’s the CAA going to do to keep Maine, UNH, UMass? Will the CAA want to keep them?

Where are those 3 going? Why won't the CAA want to keep them? It's a marriage of necessity for both and that's not changing anytime soon.

I don't think Maine will like having to travel to Atlanta, Norfolk, Harrisonburg, etc. year after year.

[jstclmet]

haha

But seriously, what about the other Northern schools? Once Nova and URI is gone what’s the CAA going to do to keep Maine, UNH, UMass? Will the CAA want to keep them?

Where are those 3 going? Why won't the CAA want to keep them? It's a marriage of necessity for both and that's not changing anytime soon.

Current CAA schools with eyes elsewhere (long or short term) are UD, JMU, Towson. The first two are keeping their eye on the CAA landscape, and wish to maintain rivalries. However, if the right conference were found by their respective Administrations that could hopefully fit all their athletic programs in, the move would be immediate. JMU's not building their stadium out just because they can. UD does not wish to be left in a watered down CAA. TU's wishlist is a little more long termed. First, establish a winning program, second fill the seats, 3rd FBS.

As my Math professor used to say, "EASY HUH??"

[BearIt]

I think Villanova will do fine in the Big East.

Posters keep trying to use Temple as a comparison, but you can't use it as a comparison. They play in the MAC. It is apples and oranges. People look at the MAC as an inferior product. They don't care about it, so they don't go to the game. Temple is average in the MAC for attendence which is crappy, but it shows that they are equal to their peers. They aren't a BCS team and they don't draw like they are.

Based on the Nova fans that were posting on the Griz board last year, they don't care about the FB team because it is FCS. It isn't "big time." People tried to talk football with them, but all you got in reply was crap about how great their basketball team was and that they didn't care about pee-wee football.

Let them go to the Big East and be Big Time. The FCS would be better off with out the Nova snob fan base. Maybe they will appreciate their team if they were in the Big East. I have nothing but good things to say about the Nova Football team. Their fans don't deserve them. Maybe they will get the appreciation they deserve when they go to the Big East.

[93henfan]

I think Villanova will do fine in the Big East.

Posters keep trying to use Temple as a comparison, but you can't use it as a comparison. They play in the MAC. It is apples and oranges. People look at the MAC as an inferior product. They don't care about it, so they don't go to the game. Temple is average in the MAC for attendence which is crappy, but it shows that they are equal to their peers. They aren't a BCS team and they don't draw like they are.

Trivia time:

Name the conference that Temple played for six years ago before they got the boot?

Hint:

Rhymes with Pig Yeast.

[dbackjon]

I think Villanova will do fine in the Big East.

Posters keep trying to use Temple as a comparison, but you can't use it as a comparison. They play in the MAC. It is apples and oranges. People look at the MAC as an inferior product. They don't care about it, so they don't go to the game. Temple is average in the MAC for attendence which is crappy, but it shows that they are equal to their peers. They aren't a BCS team and they don't draw like they are.

Trivia time:

Name the conference that Temple played for six years ago before they got the boot?

Hint:

Rhymes with Pig Yeast.

While that is true, Temple was never really thought as a "Big East" rival like Villanova is. Nova in the Big East is a better name than Temple.