NDSU BISON* @ Montana State Bobcats

[catbob]

Incidentally, why did you have a start a whole new thread about this when there was already one? Attention much?

[JBB]

No, I saw the other thread. I saw that conversation was thorough but limited in scope. I felt another thread would help provide perspective. The mods may decide to combine them, their call.

[kalm]

N

Your d LOOKS pretty good, but really they are rated 65th in the FCS

We scored 64 on the #39 defense and 21 on the #10 defense, both games on the road

But dont worry about it because we are a finesse offense

You are using the wrong measure. Everyone scored points on those defenses. Heck, one of them scored 61 on the Bobcats defense. Nobody scored points on NDSU. The BISON held a powerful FBS offense to 6 points, shut down a legit 400 yd/game SIU offense and allowed only 2 FGs. Held the nations #12 offense Missouri State to 3 pts. Yds/game is not the only measure or the true measure of how effective a defesne is.

"The purpose of a defense is to stop the opponent from scoring." (Basics of Football Defense, 1st addition, NDSU BISON Lore archives.)

Further study of the subject tells us yards rushing and passing are ways to measure the critical elements of this strategy but the final measure is and always has been points allowed. In that measure NDSU is up there with the likes of Deleware, Penn and William & Mary. They are stingier than the nations #1 FCS defense.

NDSU is allowing 1.6 touchdown/game. Montana State is about 3.2/game. Thats a 10 point differential in NDSUs favor. You could probably take out a few of the horrible MSU games, but whats the difference? You cant adjust this critical game advantage away.

The Key of course is strength of schedule. I think its been clearly pointed out that NDSUs SOS is rooted in one of the nations most powerful conferences and the OOC schedule included a charter Big 12 member. If you apply a proper SOS adjustment coefficient to the stats every advantage NDSU has will get larger. MSUs advantages will get smaller. It all adds up to a BISON win.

You gave up 28 points and lost to a WIU team that was held to 17 points by a partial scholarship 6-6 Big South team.

[kalm]

N

Your d LOOKS pretty good, but really they are rated 65th in the FCS

We scored 64 on the #39 defense and 21 on the #10 defense, both games on the road

But dont worry about it because we are a finesse offense

You are using the wrong measure. Everyone scored points on those defenses. Heck, one of them scored 61 on the Bobcats defense. Nobody scored points on NDSU. The BISON held a powerful FBS offense to 6 points, shut down a legit 400 yd/game SIU offense and allowed only 2 FGs. Held the nations #12 offense Missouri State to 3 pts. Yds/game is not the only measure or the true measure of how effective a defesne is.

"The purpose of a defense is to stop the opponent from scoring." (Basics of Football Defense, 1st addition, NDSU BISON Lore archives.)

Further study of the subject tells us yards rushing and passing are ways to measure the critical elements of this strategy but the final measure is and always has been points allowed. In that measure NDSU is up there with the likes of Deleware, Penn and William & Mary. They are stingier than the nations #1 FCS defense.

NDSU is allowing 1.6 touchdown/game. Montana State is about 3.2/game. Thats a 10 point differential in NDSUs favor. You could probably take out a few of the horrible MSU games, but whats the difference? You cant adjust this critical game advantage away.

The Key of course is strength of schedule. I think its been clearly pointed out that NDSUs SOS is rooted in one of the nations most powerful conferences and the OOC schedule included a charter Big 12 member. If you apply a proper SOS adjustment coefficient to the stats every advantage NDSU has will get larger. MSUs advantages will get smaller. It all adds up to a BISON win.

You gave up 28 points and lost to a WIU team that was held to 17 points by a partial scholarship 6-6 Big South team.

[Catattack]

Further study of the subject tells us yards rushing and passing are ways to measure the critical elements of this strategy but the final measure is and always has been points allowed. In that measure NDSU is up there with the likes of Deleware, Penn and William & Mary. They are stingier than the nations #1 FCS defense.

NDSU is allowing 1.6 touchdown/game. Montana State is about 3.2/game. Thats a 10 point differential in NDSUs favor. You could probably take out a few of the horrible MSU games, but whats the difference? You cant adjust this critical game advantage away.

Whichever offense scores more will win. I know such things as scoring offense and red-zone offense don't matter to you.

[houndawg]

I think the argument about the strength of the MVFC has been convincingly won in the other thread about this game. MgBison has elevated that argument and it appears beyond reproach. The conference was weaker last year. How else can you explain its dismal playoff record?

[cats2506]

"Bad weather will favor the physical football team. The finesse team is at a disadvantage." (Football game planners guide, 8th edition, NDSU BISON Lore archives.)

NDSU has compiled some amazing resources on "game plan preparation for inclement weather." There is a whole section of it in the Football Conglomerates secret liar, deep under the stands at the Fabulous Fargo Dome. The NDSU regional community and the campus itself are impacted by inclement weather on a regular basis. Winter is our friend.

That's nice that you have books, our team has experience playing and winning in inclement weather

[CatBlitz22]

No, I saw the other thread. I saw that conversation was thorough but limited in scope. I felt another thread would help provide perspective. The mods may decide to combine them, their call.

Limited scope? Pot...kettle.

[cats2506]

Your d LOOKS pretty good, but really they are rated 65th in the FCS

We scored 64 on the #39 defense and 21 on the #10 defense, both games on the road

But dont worry about it because we are a finesse offense

You are using the wrong measure. Everyone scored points on those defenses. Heck, one of them scored 61 on the Bobcats defense. Nobody scored points on NDSU. The BISON held a powerful FBS offense to 6 points, shut down a legit 400 yd/game SIU offense and allowed only 2 FGs. Held the nations #12 offense Missouri State to 3 pts. Yds/game is not the only measure or the true measure of how effective a defesne is.

"The purpose of a defense is to stop the opponent from scoring." (Basics of Football Defense, 1st addition, NDSU BISON Lore archives.)

Further study of the subject tells us yards rushing and passing are ways to measure the critical elements of this strategy but the final measure is and always has been points allowed. In that measure NDSU is up there with the likes of Deleware, Penn and William & Mary. They are stingier than the nations #1 FCS defense.

NDSU is allowing 1.6 touchdown/game. Montana State is about 3.2/game. Thats a 10 point differential in NDSUs favor. You could probably take out a few of the horrible MSU games, but whats the difference? You cant adjust this critical game advantage away.

The Key of course is strength of schedule. I think its been clearly pointed out that NDSUs SOS is rooted in one of the nations most powerful conferences and the OOC schedule included a charter Big 12 member. If you apply a proper SOS adjustment coefficient to the stats every advantage NDSU has will get larger. MSUs advantages will get smaller. It all adds up to a BISON win.

[FargoBison]

You are using the wrong measure. Everyone scored points on those defenses. Heck, one of them scored 61 on the Bobcats defense. Nobody scored points on NDSU. The BISON held a powerful FBS offense to 6 points, shut down a legit 400 yd/game SIU offense and allowed only 2 FGs. Held the nations #12 offense Missouri State to 3 pts. Yds/game is not the only measure or the true measure of how effective a defesne is.

"The purpose of a defense is to stop the opponent from scoring." (Basics of Football Defense, 1st addition, NDSU BISON Lore archives.)

Further study of the subject tells us yards rushing and passing are ways to measure the critical elements of this strategy but the final measure is and always has been points allowed. In that measure NDSU is up there with the likes of Deleware, Penn and William & Mary. They are stingier than the nations #1 FCS defense.

NDSU is allowing 1.6 touchdown/game. Montana State is about 3.2/game. Thats a 10 point differential in NDSUs favor. You could probably take out a few of the horrible MSU games, but whats the difference? You cant adjust this critical game advantage away.

The Key of course is strength of schedule. I think its been clearly pointed out that NDSUs SOS is rooted in one of the nations most powerful conferences and the OOC schedule included a charter Big 12 member. If you apply a proper SOS adjustment coefficient to the stats every advantage NDSU has will get larger. MSUs advantages will get smaller. It all adds up to a BISON win.

You gave up 28 points and lost to a WIU team that was held to 17 points by a partial scholarship 6-6 Big South team.

CCU played WVU, you can't be partial scholarship and play an FBS. Unless they are ok with not using the game as a counter.

[CatMom]

He said WIU - as in Western Illinois

Why does this thread remind me of one from last year for a second round game being held in Montana?

[Gil Dobie]

He said WIU - as in Western Illinois

He was talking about CCU having full scholarship allotment because they played West Virginia during the season.

[kalm]

You gave up 28 points and lost to a WIU team that was held to 17 points by a partial scholarship 6-6 Big South team.

CCU played WVU, you can't be partial scholarship and play an FBS. Unless they are ok with not using the game as a counter.

Ok, JBB's crushing defense was out played by a fully funded 6-6 Big South team.

[FargoBison]

He said WIU - as in Western Illinois

Why does this thread remind me of one from last year for a second round game being held in Montana?

Yes but CCU played WVU(West Virginia) this year and if you play an FBS team you need to have 57 scholarships for the game to be a counter. I am pretty sure the Big South has no scholarship limit like the NEC does.

[CatBlitz22]

What in the hell does CCU playing WVU have to do with this game. Good Lord this is turning into an egriz-type thread...

[kalm]

He said WIU - as in Western Illinois

Why does this thread remind me of one from last year for a second round game being held in Montana?

Yes but CCU played WVU(West Virginia) this year and if you play an FBS team you need to have 57 scholarships for the game to be a counter. I am pretty sure the Big South has no scholarship limit like the NEC does.

And who lost to Towson and Stony Brook.

Regardless, NDSU has a fine defense and is the third best team from the fourth best conference.

[CatMom]

He said WIU - as in Western Illinois

Why does this thread remind me of one from last year for a second round game being held in Montana?

ok, then, I got lost in the WIU/WVU thing but I still say


Why does this thread remind me of one from last year for a second round game being held in Montana?

[kalm]

He said WIU - as in Western Illinois

Why does this thread remind me of one from last year for a second round game being held in Montana?

ok, then, I got lost in the WIU/WVU thing but I still say


Why does this thread remind me of one from last year for a second round game being held in Montana?

You smelling a smack down Mum?

[FargoBison]

Yes but CCU played WVU(West Virginia) this year and if you play an FBS team you need to have 57 scholarships for the game to be a counter. I am pretty sure the Big South has no scholarship limit like the NEC does.

And who lost to Towson and Stony Brook.

Regardless, NDSU has a fine defense and is the third best team from the fourth best conference.

So are you going to tell me that EWU and MSU rolled every weak team they played...If you are going to set this high standard I certainly hope so

[Grizo406]

IMO, the Bobcats WON'T lose this one!

They've earned/deserve their spot in the Playoffs, and I'm more than sure they want this one REAL BAD!

They have this Griz fans full support!

[mgbison]

look at the last GPI ranking of conferences. MVFC #2. Montana state isn't going to blow anybody out. Look at their scores this year. It will be interesting to see what MSU's quaterback can do. MSU hasn't seen a defense with a dlineman as dominant and #70 Matt Gratzek. He is a beast and he will control the line of scrimmage. We also have plenty of depth on the dline and linebackers.

Our defense will hold their own. The question is gonna be how many points can our offense score. If we can score 21 points, the Bison win.

[cats2506]

look at the last GPI ranking of conferences. MVFC #2. Montana state isn't going to blow anybody out. Look at their scores this year. It will be interesting to see what MSU's quaterback can do. MSU hasn't seen a defense with a dlineman as dominant and #70 Matt Gratzek. He is a beast and he will control the line of scrimmage. We also have plenty of depth on the dline and linebackers.

Our defense will hold their own. The question is gonna be how many points can our offense score. If we can score 21 points, the Bison win.

EWU (Williams), um (Waldhauser) & Sac (Clark) all are some pretty damn good DL, also they practice against a couple of pretty good ones in Ogden and Minter. I thinking you should have more than than one stud the DL though because we rotate 4 through 2 positions with Keli'i and D'Alba

You will have to score more that 21 to win

[CatMom]

[Willie]

look at the last GPI ranking of conferences. MVFC #2. Montana state isn't going to blow anybody out. Look at their scores this year. It will be interesting to see what MSU's quaterback can do. MSU hasn't seen a defense with a dlineman as dominant and #70 Matt Gratzek. He is a beast and he will control the line of scrimmage. We also have plenty of depth on the dline and linebackers.

Our defense will hold their own. The question is gonna be how many points can our offense score. If we can score 21 points, the Bison win.

You know nothing.

[SUUTbird]

From looking over (both threads, seriously it seems you made this one just so NDSU could be typed in front of MSU. Why not broaden the perspective in the original?) it seems that the usual NDSU fans are up to their usual shinanigans. NDSU is going to have to play MUCH better then they did against the Colonials to win this game, and with it being in Bozeman that is a very limited possibility. Especially if the weather was as bad as it was vs the Griz, NDSU wont have a shot. Bobcats roll in this one:

-MSU: 34

-NDSU: 13