FBS transfers to FCS

[danefan]

I agree with you on this one, so no one will be getting **** as far as this part of the conversation is concerned.
But I'm not talking about diarhea casserole (aka Chicago-style pizza)...I'm talkin' 'bout regular pizza!
Where's Z when you need a **** up analogy???

Hey ... careful with the Chicago Pizza references. If you can fold and use the same sauce on pasta it it ain't pizza. Hail Papa Dels

Uhhhhh..........not another one.

[SuperHornet]

It really depends on who the drop-down is. Some turn out great (i.e. Flacco). Others turn out to be a bust (just ask Montana). Sorta like #1 draft picks. (Are you gonna get Peyton Manning or Sam Bowie?)

Have to agree. In the years I've followed TXST we had 1 FBS QB, and that was Nealy. I'd say that was great. Not a habit, so far, for TXST to have an FBS tranny start at QB. The guy that came over in 2010 from UTEP, never played a down....he quit. Most of the ones that have come to the SLC got starter jobs but it didn't help their teams.
I have no problem with FBSers coming our way (FCS). I think most of ours have been other skilled guys or D, though, and have been decent to good. Our best one in 6 yrs (F. Evans) is with the Vikings.
The guy in my newest avatar came in from Iowa St. He's from Beaumont and just wanted closer to home.
The slot guy we have from Navy is from Carrollton (near Dallas). He got caught smokin'
I'd rather take position guys than QBs because I've seen the busts most of them have been in the SLC. (meaning, even if they put up numbers, it did nothing for the teams' w/l)

CatMom!

[CatMom]

not surprised you caught that right away




I thought about going back and changing it but decided......nah

[kemajic]

Not evil, but if a kid gets recruited your school and the program develops the talent throughout the entire process both in the weight room and on the field, it seems like a much more rewarding process for all involved. Something like 80% of this year's team were kids recruited from within the state of Washington which is also something to hang your hat on.

Don't get me wrong, we've had our share of stars that were transfers. It's not a bad thing, just not as good.

So you were against bringing Mitchell in......

[bonarae]

I don't think they ban transfers in the Ivy league. Didn't Harvard have a kid who transferred from Harvard to LSU and back again playing QB this year?

Hatch is a special case. Harvard initially recruited him out of HS. It's complicated how he wound back up in Harvard after a stint in LSU.

[tampajag]

What's the difference between recruiting a kid (redshirting him and having him grow in your program) and having a redshirt freshman (who will spend 4 years in your program) transfer to your school?

I don't have an issue with transfers, why should I hate a kid that left a school because he was being shifted to a position that he never played and really wasn't built to play or a kid who was behind the punter on the WR depth chart? Southern's top two all time receivers were transfers and the basis of my example.

[kalm]

Not evil, but if a kid gets recruited your school and the program develops the talent throughout the entire process both in the weight room and on the field, it seems like a much more rewarding process for all involved. Something like 80% of this year's team were kids recruited from within the state of Washington which is also something to hang your hat on.

Don't get me wrong, we've had our share of stars that were transfers. It's not a bad thing, just not as good.

So you were against bringing Mitchell in......

Of course not.

[freebird]

Not evil, but if a kid gets recruited your school and the program develops the talent throughout the entire process both in the weight room and on the field, it seems like a much more rewarding process for all involved. Something like 80% of this year's team were kids recruited from within the state of Washington which is also something to hang your hat on.

Don't get me wrong, we've had our share of stars that were transfers. It's not a bad thing, just not as good.

So 80% of the kids on your team weren't good enough for Washington and Washington State?
Are you ashamed of the 20% that are out-of-staters?
I hope you never adopt a child after having a child of your own...

That's quite an observation. Here's another observation.

It would appear that the kids on our team that "weren't good enough for Washington and Washington State", were better than all the other kids that "weren't good enough" for other BCS schools.

I'm not ashamed of any of the kids on Easterns team, they're all Eagles, and they're all National Champions.

[89Hen]

Hatch is a special case.

Oh, I see... when it's Harvard, it instantly becomes a "special case".

[89Hen]

I'm not ashamed of any of the kids on Easterns team, they're all Eagles, and they're all National Champions.

[bandl]

So 80% of the kids on your team weren't good enough for Washington and Washington State?
Are you ashamed of the 20% that are out-of-staters?
I hope you never adopt a child after having a child of your own...

That's quite an observation. Here's another observation.

It would appear that the kids on our team that "weren't good enough for Washington and Washington State", were better than all the other kids that "weren't good enough" for other BCS schools.

Here's another observation: you have no sense of humor.

[freebird]

That's quite an observation. Here's another observation.

It would appear that the kids on our team that "weren't good enough for Washington and Washington State", were better than all the other kids that "weren't good enough" for other BCS schools.

Here's another observation: you have no sense of humor.

If that was an attempt at humor, keep your day time job.

[bandl]

Here's another observation: you have no sense of humor.

If that was an attempt at humor, keep your day time job.

Good one

[freebird]

If that was an attempt at humor, keep your day time job.

Good one

[bandl]

Good one

You win. You're hilarious.

[bojeta]

Zero difference from any other transfer to or from any other level/school. They're all college football players and whatever reason they have for transferring (unless it involves bribes or other illegal activity) is fine with me. Hopefully it's for sound academic reasons because ultimately that's all 95% of them will take with them in the end. But if it's only to get more play time or they like the school colors, it's their business.

[TheHerd]

The only FBS transfer I can even think of came when the Bison were still D2, but we had started our transition. It was Tony Stauss a qb who had started about six games for the Big Tens Northwestern. He was the qb when NDSU went into Washington Griz stadium and shocked the state of MT and probably the FCS in general, I think it was 2002, but don't quote me. I also think it was the year after the Griz had won the national championship, but don't quote me again. We had a supposed transfer out of U of Wisconsion last year, but he decided to play DIII ball to be closer to his girlfriend! He was a DE and cannot remember his name, but he went to Wisconsin-lacrosse I think.....crazy deal! I wouldn't mind NDSU getting a few FBS transfers occasionally, but as of now it really hasn't happened. We also had a lb from U of Wyoming who was gonna transfer as he was from Wisconsin and had been recruited by us, but that fell through too, this was last year as well, so we had two fall apart on us last year. None rumored so far this year.

[catbob]

The Cats had a lot of FBS dropdowns when Kramer was coach, but it slowly declined since Ash took over. The only FBS guys I can think of on the roster right now are John Laidet, SR DE (Oregon), Elvis Akpla SR WR (Oregon).

Oops I forgot to the two new guys, Tyler Thomas (Oregon State, high school in Kalispell MT), and Dontreyveus Robinson (Nebraska).

I like FBS transfers a lot more if they transfer as freshman. Laidet was RS freshman when he arrived at MSU (never saw a down at Oregon), and Akpla was a RS soph. Thomas should be a RS soph as well, and Robinson will be a true junior.

[bojeta]

I believe Cal Poly has one FBS transfer currently, Mark Rogers from West Virgina. Dominique Johnson was a transfer from UCLA, but graduates this year. Just heard he will be playing in the Dixie Gridiron Classic in St. George Utah on Feb 5th. I might try and make the 9 hour drive for that. I could stop at a place I have in Tehachapi and cut the time to 6 hours the next morning. Whether permitting, I would like to make it a Harley ride .
Johnson is apparently currently training in Phoenix for the NFL Draft.

[houndawg]

SIU has four FBS xfers as of 1/25/11

Tucker Blanton Florida OL
DeRon Flood Purdue TE
Kevan Walker Oregon St. WR
A. J. Hill NIU QB

[jacobadam]

is it hard to transfer from and fcs college to an fbs college for football, i would have gone to an fbs college but got hurt, will it be hard for me to transfer to an fbs college from fcs?

[OSBF]

"down" transfers are fine, if you use the option carefully. Use it to fill a specific need at a specific position, fine.

Don't use it as a strategy to build a program that competes yearly for conference and national titles. Programs are built by recruiting kids you'll have on campus in your program for 4 or 5 years.

We recently had this very discussion on our home board. I think we'll open camp this fall with 12-15 FBS/BCS transfers. I looked at the rosters of the four 2010 national semi finalist and they had a total of something like 9 transfers. About 2 per school, seems about right and OK to me.

It just never has looked to me like programs that compete nationally at a very high level year in and year out consistently have a bunch of transfers on the roster. 1 or 2 here and there to fill a specific hole or need.

[OSBF]

If (a)....so what (to an extent)? Everyone deserves a second chance. Albeit maybe not after a murder but if they just got caught drinking , then so what.

I used to think that way too, but then I had something explained to me. The job of a head football coach at a FBS/BCS program is to win games.Period. His job is NOT to get kids to class, get them a degree, keep them sober, or keep them out of the backseat of police cars. His job is to win, and not get caught doing the things necessary to win at that level.

Knowing this, any player that can help a coach to win even a single game will be welcomed as part of the program almost irreguardless of what he's done off field.. If a kid is asked to leave, it is because of a few select reasons. He is such a pain in the ass that his tallent level just can't overcome it. The scouts and recruiters waaaay overrated the talent but didn't realize it until the kid hit campus/camp. The kid is some combination of a pain in the ass and not that good a football player, so the university takes the first available oportunity(kid gets in trouble) to send him packing.

I've never thought it was a good idea to try and build or maintain a program on a foundation composed of someone elses garbage.

ISU will open camp in August with 5-7 kids that were kicked off a team or out of school someplace else, mostly B10.

I think that's a few too many re-building projects for 1 year.

[Blue Hen Fanatic]

Like the University of Delaware's Venerable Hall of Fame Football Coach Tubby Raymond once stated: "If we don't land the big time IA Transfer, our competition will."

Great Coaches know how to win, and do what it takes to do so.

[Blue Hen Fanatic]

"down" transfers are fine, if you use the option carefully. Use it to fill a specific need at a specific position, fine.

Don't use it as a strategy to build a program that competes yearly for conference and national titles. Programs are built by recruiting kids you'll have on campus in your program for 4 or 5 years.

We recently had this very discussion on our home board. I think we'll open camp this fall with 12-15 FBS/BCS transfers. I looked at the rosters of the four 2010 national semi finalist and they had a total of something like 9 transfers. About 2 per school, seems about right and OK to me.

It just never has looked to me like programs that compete nationally at a very high level year in and year out consistently have a bunch of transfers on the roster. 1 or 2 here and there to fill a specific hole or need.

How many Championships have the programs you speak of won? And for that matter, Illinois State? Just Sayin