...........then there are some scumbag sleaze ball's that don't win championship.Cap'n Cat wrote:Brother D1B said it the best today when we were e-mailing SMH's about Tressel:
"No one wins four national championships practically in a row at a shithole like YSU without being a scumbag sleaze ball."
Gil Dobie wrote:...........then there are some scumbag sleaze ball's that don't win championship.Cap'n Cat wrote:Brother D1B said it the best today when we were e-mailing SMH's about Tressel:
"No one wins four national championships practically in a row at a shithole like YSU without being a scumbag sleaze ball."
How many cars did you and D1B have at UNI?
Heard you got a paycut when you went to the NFL
the Cap'n spent time in New Orleans, everybody took a pay cut with them back then 
Unfortunately Citdog, Charlie Taafe would have still had his alcohol issues, been fired, and our program would still be as bad as it is today. The last 20 years have shown us that we need an exceptional coach for our program to be successful and Charlie Taafe was the last one that we have had. I wonder if Ellis Johnson had given us a better shake if he could have gotten us there but he didn't stay long enough.citdog wrote:Again it is a shame that the team that ended The Citadel's best season in school history in 1992 in the playoffs was dirty. Where would our program be if we had won?
ASUMountaineer wrote:Yeah, but their mascot is cool.DJH wrote:Has won zero national titles as far as I'm concerned.
Discuss.
Keep telling yourself that.BTD30 wrote:... Of coarse I wasn't surprised to see UNI fans start this discussion cause, of coarse, hate YSU for whatever reason and are jealous cause we won our 4 titles fare and square.... smh. I mean, you have a all-time winning record against us!! It's not our faults that you can't win a championship...
As coach at Youngstown (Ohio) State in the mid-1990s, he claimed not to know that his star quarterback had received a car and more than $10,000 from a school trustee and his associates -- even though it was later established in court documents that Tressel had told the player to go see the trustee.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/m ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;But there was a seamy underside to the Penguins' success. In 1988, according to court documents from a jury-tampering trial involving Mickey Monus, a wealthy school trustee and the founder of the Phar-Mor chain of drug stores, Tressel had called Monus about arranging a job for Isaac. The player and the CEO had never met, but Isaac told SI that he had heard of Monus's "philanthropist-type hand" from two basketball players. At his first meeting with Monus, Isaac received $150. According to the court documents, by the time he left Youngstown State, in 1992, Isaac had collected more than $10,000 in cash and checks from Monus and Monus's associates and employees.
In January 1994 the NCAA's director of enforcement sent Cochran an ominous letter. It said that according to an anonymous source, Isaac had been driving a car provided by a local business, which would turn out to be Phar-Mor; 13 Penguins had had jobs with Phar-Mor during the season, in violation of NCAA rules; and nonscholarship student athletes were being illegally paid by the university's director of athletic development.
Over the next month Cochran quizzed football staff members in informal meetings. He believed that if anybody was aware of what was going on in the program, it was Tressel. But Tressel told Cochran that the tipster was just a disgruntled former employee. Given Tressel's sterling reputation, Cochran felt confident relaying a nothing-to-see-here message to the NCAA.
In 1995, Monus was convicted in federal court of 109 felony counts of bank, wire and mail fraud, conspiracy, obstruction of justice and interstate transportation of stolen goods related to his looting of Phar-Mor's corporate coffers. Three years later Monus was on trial for jury tampering in the government's first prosecution of him, which had ended in a hung jury. During this trial (at which Monus was found not guilty) Monus and Isaac, who had pleaded guilty to attempting to bribe a juror on Monus's behalf, disclosed their financial dealings while Isaac was a student and alleged that Tressel had set these in motion with that first phone call.
A reporter covering the jury-tampering trial called the school and reported Monus's and Isaac's testimony, prompting an internal investigation. That probe revealed that Isaac's car was the worst-kept secret on campus. According to NCAA documents, all of Isaac's teammates who were interviewed "except one" knew about the car or had suspicions about it. Even people outside the football family knew. Pauline Saternow, then the school's compliance officer, had such misgivings about the car that she recused herself from the investigation committee because, according to Cochran, she did not feel she could be objective. Everyone raised an eyebrow -- except Tressel.
Today Isaac runs High Impact Football, a quarterback-coaching business in Cary, N.C. He is quick to call Tressel his "surrogate dad." The two were once so close that Tressel invited Isaac to a football camp, even after Isaac had been indicted for jury tampering. They text-messaged psalms back and forth, according to Isaac, who says the coach taught him his most important life lessons. "He never let me take the path of least resistance," Isaac says.
Tressel was aware of the car. At times, Isaac told SI, he asked the coach for help in getting out of traffic tickets. "He'd slot out two hours to meet and say, 'Ray, I need you to read this book and give me 500 words on why it's important to be a good student-athlete,'" Isaac says. Afterward the ticket would sometimes disappear, which, if Tressel intervened, would be an NCAA infraction.
In February 2000, 11 months before Ohio State hired Tressel, Youngstown State acknowledged numerous football violations and announced self-imposed sanctions, including the loss of two scholarships. Because it was satisfied with those steps and its statute of limitations on the violations had run out, the NCAA allowed Youngstown to keep the '91 national title, one of four Tressel won with the Penguins. Cochran, who is now retired, still shakes his head over Tressel's contradictions. There was the Christian who lifted kids out of troubled neighborhoods and built a football "family," Cochran says, and there was the coach who claimed to have been kept in the dark after he had assiduously avoided the light. "What bothered me was that the family knows," Cochran says. "Inside the family everyone knows what's going on."
Prime example of the intelligence of the people of Youngstown.BTD30 wrote:... Of coarse I wasn't surprised to see UNI fans start this discussion cause, of coarse, hate YSU for whatever reason and are jealous cause we won our 4 titles fare and square.... smh. I mean, you have a all-time winning record against us!! It's not our faults that you can't win a championship...
Then, please, tell me how we didn't win those titles?? I don't think we "cheated" during those title games the last time I checked.....Skjellyfetti wrote:Keep telling yourself that.BTD30 wrote:... Of coarse I wasn't surprised to see UNI fans start this discussion cause, of coarse, hate YSU for whatever reason and are jealous cause we won our 4 titles fare and square.... smh. I mean, you have a all-time winning record against us!! It's not our faults that you can't win a championship...
Your always dogging us. I just want to know what you have against us that's allDJH wrote:Prime example of the intelligence of the people of Youngstown.BTD30 wrote:... Of coarse I wasn't surprised to see UNI fans start this discussion cause, of coarse, hate YSU for whatever reason and are jealous cause we won our 4 titles fare and square.... smh. I mean, you have a all-time winning record against us!! It's not our faults that you can't win a championship...
The NCAA would have stripped at least one of them... but, the statute of limitations ran out...BTD30 wrote: Then, please, tell me how we didn't win those titles?? I don't think we "cheated" during those title games the last time I checked.....
They would've or could've done a lot, but they didn't... #FACT #EndOfStorySkjellyfetti wrote:The NCAA would have stripped at least one of them... but, the statute of limitations ran out...BTD30 wrote: Then, please, tell me how we didn't win those titles?? I don't think we "cheated" during those title games the last time I checked.....
They couldn't have done anything. The statute of limitations passed.guinzone wrote: They would've or could've done a lot, but they didn't... #FACT #EndOfStory
They still accepted the punishment YSU enforced on itself.Skjellyfetti wrote:They couldn't have done anything. The statute of limitations passed.guinzone wrote: They would've or could've done a lot, but they didn't... #FACT #EndOfStory
Do you think the NCAA lets schools off the hook for paying players and giving them cars regularly?
And... that was what? Loss of two fricken scholarships.guinzone wrote: They still accepted the punishment YSU enforced on itself.
citdog wrote:That Northern Iowa team would have had to, as YSU did, defeat us in General Johnson Hagood, CSA, Stadium. I remember the game like it was yesterday. We stopped them and made them punt and the first four plays were long runs by our FB Everette Sands and then he just dropped the ball while switching hands, put your it's suprising he would drop the ball like that considering that El Cid Cadets must masturbate a lot because we're all male...... here, and it was all downhill from there.GannonFan wrote:
Not any different than you'd be today - YSU blasted The Citadel in '92, and then won a close game against UNI the following week (probably a safe bet that UNI would've beaten The Citadel). And even then, Marshall was waiting in the Finals and Marshall had already won against The Citadel, on the road, by 3 TD's, so Marshall would've been a very heavy favorite playing at home. Hard to see how maybe a win against YSU would've changed anything.
smfh at a student body that does nothing with a gift like this. 
I know how you feel to be cheated.citdog wrote:Again it is a shame that the team that ended The Citadel's best season in school history in 1992 in the playoffs was dirty. Where would our program be if we had won?
ISAAC was not on the team in 1992!JBB wrote:I know how you feel to be cheated.citdog wrote:Again it is a shame that the team that ended The Citadel's best season in school history in 1992 in the playoffs was dirty. Where would our program be if we had won?
Well you can ask YSU AD Ron Strollo or former NFL Kicker Jeff Wilkins if anyone else was involved. They were on those teams.DJH wrote:Yes, it was just the one guy.
LOL
Maybe I will. Because if I want an honest depiction of the story, why not ask the AD and former players? They will surely tell the truth. Good idea.guinzone wrote:Well you can ask YSU AD Ron Strollo or former NFL Kicker Jeff Wilkins if anyone else was involved. They were on those teams.DJH wrote:Yes, it was just the one guy.
LOL
