Craig Bohl

[TwinTownBisonFan]

From an objective Bison fan:

38 California L
39 Utah L
40 Toledo L
41 Arizona State L
42 Vanderbilt L
43 Iowa State L
44 Washington L
45 Iowa L
46 Temple Maybe
47 Northern Illinois Maybe
48 Louisiana Tech Maybe
49 Ohio State L
50 Tennessee L
51 SMU L
52 Miami-Florida L
53 Texas Tech Maybe
54 North Carolina L
55 Illinois Maybe (esp late in the season)
56 Georgia Tech Maybe (given that they run Ga So's system)
57 NC State Maybe
58 Northwestern Maybe
59 South Florida W
60 Nevada Maybe
61 Louisville W

That's not terribly pretty... but on any given Saturday - I think NDSU goes 7-17 against this crop of teams.

With some admitted homer bias - I would argue that NDSU would have been able to win the WAC and MAC and would have been competitive (though likely not bowl eligible) in the CUSA, MWC and maybe even Big East

[AZGrizFan]

From an objective Bison fan:

38 California L
39 Utah L
40 Toledo L
41 Arizona State L
42 Vanderbilt L
43 Iowa State L
44 Washington L
45 Iowa L
46 Temple Maybe
47 Northern Illinois Maybe
48 Louisiana Tech Maybe
49 Ohio State L
50 Tennessee L
51 SMU L
52 Miami-Florida L
53 Texas Tech Maybe
54 North Carolina L
55 Illinois Maybe (esp late in the season)
56 Georgia Tech Maybe (given that they run Ga So's system)
57 NC State Maybe
58 Northwestern Maybe
59 South Florida W
60 Nevada Maybe
61 Louisville W

That's not terribly pretty... but on any given Saturday - I think NDSU goes 7-17 against this crop of teams.

I won't disagree with most of those, but i think GaTech and Nevada absolutely ROLL the bison. On the other hand, I think they might have had a shot against ASU (especially at the end of the season)...

[UNI88]

On any given Saturday, NDSU could beat many of those teams but if they played an 11 game schedule against #51-#61, they end up with a losing record.

With the current team...very possible, but if we were in the FBS and had teams like those on the schedule, we would also have 22 more scholies and be attracting an even higher caliber athelete.

We would be an entirely different team, so the argument isn't realy valid.

The statement was made that "NDSU beats all those teams" so I'm pretty sure we're talking about the 2011 Bison team and thus the argument is valid. And I'm not trying to slam NDSU. They were the best team in the FCS and and as I stated they could beat many of those teams on any given Saturday.

[UNI88]

From an objective Bison fan:

40 Toledo L
46 Temple Maybe
47 Northern Illinois Maybe
48 Louisiana Tech Maybe
60 Nevada Maybe

That's not terribly pretty... but on any given Saturday - I think NDSU goes 7-17 against this crop of teams.

With some admitted homer bias - I would argue that NDSU would have been able to win the WAC and MAC and would have been competitive (though likely not bowl eligible) in the CUSA, MWC and maybe even Big East

Do I think NDSU would have been competitive in the MAC and WAC with a chance to win either? Yes. Would I have considered them one of the favorites? No. They could beat any one of the top teams on any given Saturday but they could also lose to one or more of the other teams in either conference.

[No_Skill]

With the current team...very possible, but if we were in the FBS and had teams like those on the schedule, we would also have 22 more scholies and be attracting an even higher caliber athelete.

We would be an entirely different team, so the argument isn't realy valid.

The statement was made that "NDSU beats all those teams" so I'm pretty sure we're talking about the 2011 Bison team and thus the argument is valid. And I'm not trying to slam NDSU. They were the best team in the FCS and and as I stated they could beat many of those teams on any given Saturday.

Got it. We were just looking at it two different ways.

[Silenoz]

From an objective Bison fan:

38 California L
39 Utah L
40 Toledo L
41 Arizona State L
42 Vanderbilt L
43 Iowa State L
44 Washington L
45 Iowa L
46 Temple Maybe
47 Northern Illinois Maybe
48 Louisiana Tech Maybe
49 Ohio State L
50 Tennessee L
51 SMU L
52 Miami-Florida L
53 Texas Tech Maybe
54 North Carolina L
55 Illinois Maybe (esp late in the season)
56 Georgia Tech Maybe (given that they run Ga So's system)
57 NC State Maybe
58 Northwestern Maybe
59 South Florida W
60 Nevada Maybe
61 Louisville W

That's not terribly pretty... but on any given Saturday - I think NDSU goes 7-17 against this crop of teams.

With some admitted homer bias - I would argue that NDSU would have been able to win the WAC and MAC and would have been competitive (though likely not bowl eligible) in the CUSA, MWC and maybe even Big East

west Virginia. looked. prettY GOOD the other night, I DUNNO

[alvin kayak]

All of those games are maybes.

[Silenoz]

Well that's always the case. But they're also probably not's

Dammit, I keep forgetting to stay in character(s). Derp. Big 12. Slur against homosexuals, etc.

[AZGrizFan]

From an objective Bison fan:

With some admitted homer bias - I would argue that NDSU would have been able to win the WAC and MAC and would have been competitive (though likely not bowl eligible) in the CUSA, MWC and maybe even Big East

west Virginia. looked. prettY GOOD the other night, I DUNNO

Keep in mind, Oz: an "objective" bison fan is like somone calling themselves a "moderate" democrat.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

west Virginia. looked. prettY GOOD the other night, I DUNNO

Keep in mind, Oz: an "objective" bison fan is like somone calling themselves a "moderate" democrat.

[UNI88]

Well that's always the case. But they're also probably not's

Dammit, I keep forgetting to stay in character(s). Derp. Big 12. Slur against homosexuals, etc.

The Big 12 spot is taken. IMO, the Griz are shoe-ins for a spot in the Pac 12.

[X-Factor]

From an objective Bison fan:



That's not terribly pretty... but on any given Saturday - I think NDSU goes 7-17 against this crop of teams.

I won't disagree with most of those, but i think GaTech and Nevada absolutely ROLL the bison. On the other hand, I think they might have had a shot against ASU (especially at the end of the season)...

Absolutely ROLL? That is an incredibly ridiculous statement considering much lesser FCS teams keep games close all the time. Not only that, but the Bison play much better against FBS competition than any FCS team in recent history (fact). Our record against FBS speaks for itself. The Bison D would keep us in the game against all but the most prolific offensive teams.

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[Darell1976]

I won't disagree with most of those, but i think GaTech and Nevada absolutely ROLL the bison. On the other hand, I think they might have had a shot against ASU (especially at the end of the season)...

Absolutely ROLL? That is an incredibly ridiculous statement considering much lesser FCS teams keep games close all the time. Not only that, but the Bison play much better against FBS competition than any FCS team in recent history (fact). Our record against FBS speaks for itself. The Bison D would keep us in the game against all but the most prolific offensive teams.

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Wins against a shitty Gophers team (that even South Dakota beat) plus wins over Ball State and Kansas. The only good FBS win you have to your credit is Central Michigan. I think Georgia Tech is a lot better.

[AZGrizFan]

I won't disagree with most of those, but i think GaTech and Nevada absolutely ROLL the bison. On the other hand, I think they might have had a shot against ASU (especially at the end of the season)...

Absolutely ROLL? That is an incredibly ridiculous statement considering much lesser FCS teams keep games close all the time. Not only that, but the Bison play much better against FBS competition than any FCS team in recent history (fact). Our record against FBS speaks for itself. The Bison D would keep us in the game against all but the most prolific offensive teams.

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My GOD you're delusional. The "FBS" teams you play are conveniently the absolute WORST on the planet. Comparing Minnesoter with about ANY of the teams from the above list is like comparing apples and oranges.

Do NOT make the mistake of crowning NDSU the I-A national champion just because you've beaten a 3-win Minnesota team and a 3-win Kansas team in recent years.

[Darell1976]

Absolutely ROLL? That is an incredibly ridiculous statement considering much lesser FCS teams keep games close all the time. Not only that, but the Bison play much better against FBS competition than any FCS team in recent history (fact). Our record against FBS speaks for itself. The Bison D would keep us in the game against all but the most prolific offensive teams.

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My GOD you're delusional. The "FBS" teams you play are conveniently the absolute WORST on the planet. Comparing Minnesoter with about ANY of the teams from the above list is like comparing apples and oranges.

Do NOT make the mistake of crowning NDSU the I-A national champion just because you've beaten a 3-win Minnesota team and a 3-win Kansas team in recent years.

Don't forget they could beat Alabama because they did a better job against GSU than they did.

[Winindy]

I won't disagree with most of those, but i think GaTech and Nevada absolutely ROLL the bison. On the other hand, I think they might have had a shot against ASU (especially at the end of the season)...

Absolutely ROLL? That is an incredibly ridiculous statement considering much lesser FCS teams keep games close all the time. Not only that, but the Bison play much better against FBS competition than any FCS team in recent history (fact). Our record against FBS speaks for itself. The Bison D would keep us in the game against all but the most prolific offensive teams.

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I don't think NDSU would get rolled by these teams, with maybe a few exceptions. They are as big and as good on the line as almost any FBS school. They were exceptional on one side of the field in the defensive backfield. If you can move the pile on offense, and take away half the field, I don't think you get rolled too often.

As for the statement that their record against FBS schools speaks for itself. Eh, I don't know about that. They only schedule teams that they feel that they can be competitive with, and that's a great plan. But it doesn't mean that they walk among the lower half of the top 25. They can beat the worst of the Big 10 and Big 12. I think that's awesome, and most teams in the FCS couldn't do the same. But I would think that most of the top 5 or 10 could make things interesting with those same teams or beat them outright. It's not the same as the Citadel playing the Gamecocks or Gators for a payday.

When you talk about the Minnesotas and Central Michigans of the FBS the only difference between them and the top 5-10 schools in the FCS is depth. Their best 85 are going to be better than our best 85, but when you get down to 22 vs 22 it's a lot closer than the also-rans of the FBS would like you to think. Most of these FBS and FCS schools don't have that one kid that's a difference maker. Sometimes they get lucky and a kid overachieves. That kid can make the difference between a last place Big 10 team and a fifth place Big 10 team. The top 10 schools in the FBS have 3 or 4 of these kids on their teams.

I do like NDSU's strategy when it comes to FBS games, play the teams you can compete with. But if they started playing the Wisconsins, USCs, and Oklahomas of the FBS, I think you wouldn't have much to talk about.

[UNI88]

Absolutely ROLL? That is an incredibly ridiculous statement considering much lesser FCS teams keep games close all the time. Not only that, but the Bison play much better against FBS competition than any FCS team in recent history (fact). Our record against FBS speaks for itself. The Bison D would keep us in the game against all but the most prolific offensive teams.

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I don't think NDSU would get rolled by these teams, with maybe a few exceptions. They are as big and as good on the line as almost any FBS school. They were exceptional on one side of the field in the defensive backfield. If you can move the pile on offense, and take away half the field, I don't think you get rolled too often.

As for the statement that their record against FBS schools speaks for itself. Eh, I don't know about that. They only schedule teams that they feel that they can be competitive with, and that's a great plan. But it doesn't mean that they walk among the lower half of the top 25. They can beat the worst of the Big 10 and Big 12. I think that's awesome, and most teams in the FCS couldn't do the same. But I would think that most of the top 5 or 10 could make things interesting with those same teams or beat them outright. It's not the same as the Citadel playing the Gamecocks or Gators for a payday.

When you talk about the Minnesotas and Central Michigans of the FBS the only difference between them and the top 5-10 schools in the FCS is depth. Their best 85 are going to be better than our best 85, but when you get down to 22 vs 22 it's a lot closer than the also-rans of the FBS would like you to think. Most of these FBS and FCS schools don't have that one kid that's a difference maker. Sometimes they get lucky and a kid overachieves. That kid can make the difference between a last place Big 10 team and a fifth place Big 10 team. The top 10 schools in the FBS have 3 or 4 of these kids on their teams.

I do like NDSU's strategy when it comes to FBS games, play the teams you can compete with. But if they started playing the Wisconsins, USCs, and Oklahomas of the FBS, I think you wouldn't have much to talk about.

I agree with everything you've said here but I also want to give the Bison a little more credit for stomping Central Michigan (44-14). That CMU team easily won the MAC and lost by 3 to a decent Purdue team in the Motor City Bowl. CMU was led by a difference maker, Dan LeFevour, who was a darn good college football player.

[slycat]

I dunno Im pretty sure Youngstown beats all of them since they beat you. They deserve your spot in the Big 12 as well.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

Well that's always the case. But they're also probably not's

Dammit, I keep forgetting to stay in character(s). Derp. Big 12. Slur against homosexuals, etc.

The Big 12 spot is taken. IMO, the Griz are shoe-ins for a spot in the Pac 12.

At least their stadium has an FBS-level capacity... I'm so tired of the "Bison:BigXII" troll/joke...