Walter Payton......

[The Kicker]

ZZ had 71 yards on 21 carries against EWU. Plus he still went over 2000 yards again this year.

He went over 2000 against the MVFC. Sounds like there could be some education done on defense there too...

ZZ Rush Att-Yard-TD (REC-Yards-TD)
Aug 31, 2013 BUTLER (IND.) 16-117-2 (1-7)
Sep 07, 2013 at UND 37-295-3 (2-31-1)
Sep 14, 2013 S'EASTERN LOUISIANA 17-128-3 (3-60)
Sep 21, 2013 at Nebraska 21-202-2 (1-21)
Nov 30, 2013 at NORTHERN ARIZONA 30-249-2
Dec 7, 2013 at Eastern Washington 21-71-1


Total in 6 non MVFC games 142-1062-13 (7-119-1)
Total in 8 MVFC games 209-953-10 (14-132-1)
Total vs 3 Big Sky teams 88-615-6 (2-31-1) Only 215 and 2.3 TD per game

[clenz]

Thank you got doing that for me...I wad going to do that when I got home from work.

ZZ got over half his yards in less ooc games than conference games. He average over 5 ypc in only 1 mvfc game.

In 3 game against the BSC he had over 60 percent the total yards he had in 8 conference games

[Grizalltheway]

Yet a Big Sky team, which doesn't play defense by default, held him to fewer yards than any team not named NDSU.
Next.

[kalm]

Yet a Big Sky team, which doesn't play defense by default, held him to fewer yards than any team not named NDSU.
Next.

Evidently they don't teach the value of zero in the MVC.

[The Kicker]

Yet a Big Sky team, which doesn't play defense by default, held him to fewer yards than any team not named NDSU.
Next.

Yet TWO Big Sky team, which doesn't play defense default, held him to more yards than any team.
Next.

[Grizalltheway]

Yet a Big Sky team, which doesn't play defense by default, held him to fewer yards than any team not named NDSU.
Next.

Yet TWO Big Sky team, which doesn't play defense default, held him to more yards than any team.
Next.

I've never claimed that ALL Big Sky teams play good defense. It's the MVC blowhards who claim that NONE of them do. That clearly isn't the case.

[Gil Dobie]

He went over 2000 against the MVFC. Sounds like there could be some education done on defense there too...

Zenner's top games

294 vs BSC North Dakota
241 vs BSC NAU
202 vs B1G Nebraska
174 vs MVFC Youngstown

Worst Games
3 vs MVFC NDSU
71 vs BSC EWU
95 vs MVFC UNI

[The Kicker]

Yet TWO Big Sky team, which doesn't play defense default, held him to more yards than any team.
Next.

I've never claimed that ALL Big Sky teams play good defense. It's the MVC blowhards who claim that NONE of them do. That clearly isn't the case.

[SACCAT]

I've never claimed that ALL Big Sky teams play good defense. It's the MVC blowhards who claim that NONE of them do. That clearly isn't the case.

We don't claim UND as a big sky school.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

ZZ had 71 yards on 21 carries against EWU. Plus he still went over 2000 yards again this year.

He went over 2000 against the MVFC. Sounds like there could be some education done on defense there too...

Oh ya, I forgot....the MV doesn't play good defense obviously.

8 carries for 4 yards against the Bison.

[kalm]

I've never claimed that ALL Big Sky teams play good defense. It's the MVC blowhards who claim that NONE of them do. That clearly isn't the case.

Nice dodge.

[Grizalltheway]

He went over 2000 against the MVFC. Sounds like there could be some education done on defense there too...

Oh ya, I forgot....the MV doesn't play good defense obviously.

8 carries for 4 yards against the Bison.

And 100+ against every other team in the conference. Just because one team in the conference plays amazing defense doesn't mean all of them do.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Oh ya, I forgot....the MV doesn't play good defense obviously.

8 carries for 4 yards against the Bison.

And 100+ against every other team in the conference. Just because one team in the conference plays amazing defense doesn't mean all of them do.

Not all MV teams play 'good' defense. But on an 'average', I believe the MV as a whole does. What is considered good?

New Hampshire guys think they play very good defense. UNH has the #74th ranked total defense team giving up 404 yds/game and the #14th ranked scoring defense giving up 21 points/game.

I don't consider this 'very good' but definitely a good defense that bends but not breaks.

EWU's defense is ranked #104 in total defense (456 yds/game) and #68 in scoring defense (27.8/game)....is that considered 'good'...?

[Grizalltheway]

And 100+ against every other team in the conference. Just because one team in the conference plays amazing defense doesn't mean all of them do.

Not all MV teams play 'good' defense. But on an 'average', I believe the MV as a whole does. What is considered good?

New Hampshire guys think they play very good defense. UNH has the #74th ranked total defense team giving up 404 yds/game and the #14th ranked scoring defense giving up 21 points/game.

I don't consider this 'very good' but definitely a good defense that bends but not breaks.

EWU's defense is ranked #104 in total defense (456 yds/game) and #68 in scoring defense (27.8/game)....is that considered 'good'...?

It's all relative. With the offense EWU has, their defense allowing 27 is usually enough to get them a win. Most MVC teams don't have prolific offenses, so they need stronger defensive play in order to win games.

[clenz]

Oh ya, I forgot....the MV doesn't play good defense obviously.

8 carries for 4 yards against the Bison.

And 100+ against every other team in the conference.

106 against UNI on 31 carries.... just a touch over 3 ypc....that UNI defense that was missing 2 LB's, 2 DL, and 2 DB's....FWIW

I hope a RB can get 100 yards on over 30 carries...


6.99 ypc against Big Sky teams...4.4 against MVFC teams

[Grizalltheway]

And 100+ against every other team in the conference.

106 against UNI on 31 carries.... just a touch over 3 ypc....that UNI defense that was missing 2 LB's, 2 DL, and 2 DB's....FWIW

I hope a RB can get 100 yards on over 30 carries...


6.99 ypc against Big Sky teams...4.4 against MVFC teams

Different sample sizes.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

And 100+ against every other team in the conference.

106 against UNI on 31 carries.... just a touch over 3 ypc....that UNI defense that was missing 2 LB's, 2 DL, and 2 DB's....FWIW

I hope a RB can get 100 yards on over 30 carries...


6.99 ypc against Big Sky teams...4.4 against MVFC teams

If Sumner was anything better than mediocre, the Jacks could have made a serious run at EWU in the 2nd half. Unless he improves next year it will be the same ol for the Jacks next year.

[clenz]

106 against UNI on 31 carries.... just a touch over 3 ypc....that UNI defense that was missing 2 LB's, 2 DL, and 2 DB's....FWIW

I hope a RB can get 100 yards on over 30 carries...


6.99 ypc against Big Sky teams...4.4 against MVFC teams

Different sample sizes.

3 games against the Big Sky and he runs for over 600 yards.

8 games against the MVFC and he goes just over 900....

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Not all MV teams play 'good' defense. But on an 'average', I believe the MV as a whole does. What is considered good?

New Hampshire guys think they play very good defense. UNH has the #74th ranked total defense team giving up 404 yds/game and the #14th ranked scoring defense giving up 21 points/game.

I don't consider this 'very good' but definitely a good defense that bends but not breaks.

EWU's defense is ranked #104 in total defense (456 yds/game) and #68 in scoring defense (27.8/game)....is that considered 'good'...?

It's all relative. With the offense EWU has, their defense allowing 27 is usually enough to get them a win. Most MVC teams don't have prolific offenses, so they need stronger defensive play in order to win games.

I agree in regards to EWU. If they get by Towson then they will most likely face the Bison, IMO. Their defense will have to step up in the NC game because the Bison IMO, will not give up 30+ points to EWU. They are giving up 11/game now and it is probably safe to say that EWU would probably double that to 22-24 points.

In that match up it is going to come down to the EWU defense to win it for them. The Bison will hold down the EWU offense, the question is how much....

The Bison are averaging 38/game and EWU gives up 27-28/game. Like I said, IMO, it is going to come down to the EWU defense to win it for them.

[clenz]

106 against UNI on 31 carries.... just a touch over 3 ypc....that UNI defense that was missing 2 LB's, 2 DL, and 2 DB's....FWIW

I hope a RB can get 100 yards on over 30 carries...


6.99 ypc against Big Sky teams...4.4 against MVFC teams

If Sumner was anything better than mediocre, the Jacks could have made a serious run at EWU in the 2nd half. Unless he improves next year it will be the same ol for the Jacks next year.

The issue is Sumner isn't anything other than mediocre....on his best day at this point.

[kalm]

If Sumner was anything better than mediocre, the Jacks could have made a serious run at EWU in the 2nd half. Unless he improves next year it will be the same ol for the Jacks next year.

The issue is Sumner isn't anything other than mediocre....on his best day at this point.

And your both missing the fact that Sumner played very well against Eastern.

NDSU plays some really great D

The rest of the valley for the most part is OK.

Some of the Valley play good offense...at times.

This has very little bearing on how good the BIg Sky's offenses are.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

The issue is Sumner isn't anything other than mediocre....on his best day at this point.

And your both missing the fact that Sumner played very well against Eastern.

NDSU plays some really great D

The rest of the valley for the most part is OK.

Some of the Valley play good offense...at times.

This has very little bearing on how good the BIg Sky's offenses are.

UNI has historically had pretty good defenses.

[AZGrizFan]

Different sample sizes.

3 games against the Big Sky and he runs for over 600 yards.

8 games against the MVFC and he goes just over 900....

ANY time your sample set includes UND's defense, the statistics are skewed.

[Gil Dobie]

3 games against the Big Sky and he runs for over 600 yards.

8 games against the MVFC and he goes just over 900....

ANY time your sample set includes UND's defense, the statistics are skewed.

Take out UND and the average against eh Big Sky is over 150 yards per game. Still more than the MVFC average

[Grizalltheway]

One Big Sky team did a good job of stopping him, 2 did not. 1 MVC team did a good job of stopping him, 7 did not.