NDSU NEXT GAME:Lafayette Leopards @ NDSU BISON Preview Alert

[JBB]

Thank you for the contribution old man but really, its hard to keep from snickering.....


"Bill fette Bowl" highlights?


Its too bad the EWU championship is tainted isnt it? Wouldn't it be fun if the Eagles fans could be proud instead of having to put up with the snickering when their 2010 championship is mentioned?

One thing Leopard fans wont have to worry about is poor officiating. The MVFC has superb officiating, recognized throughout the country as among the best. In the MVFC its well known there is no pride in a victory attributable to bad officiating. Thats the foundation of the MVFC philosophy on officiating. Better to have pride than hear the snickers wouldn't you say old chap?

[kalm]

Here's some more highlights for Lafayette to look at:

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My personal favorite:

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Thank you Grizo, I forgot how cool that moment was! So many mistakes, TJ goes down, a seemingly impossible 90 yards in a snow storm with 2 and change left...it was as exciting as watching the blizzard swirl through the mouth of Hellgate in the 09 semi's.

[JBB]

snicker, snicker....the series of bad calls by bill fette....what a moment! snicker snicker

[Grizo406]

Thank you for the contribution old man but really, its hard to keep from snickering.....


"Bill fette Bowl" highlights?


Its too bad the EWU championship is tainted isnt it? Wouldn't it be fun if the Eagles fans could be proud instead of having to put up with the snickering when their 2010 championship is mentioned?

One thing Leopard fans wont have to worry about is poor officiating. The MVFC has superb officiating, recognized throughout the country as among the best. In the MVFC its well known there is no pride in a victory attributable to bad officiating. Thats the foundation of the MVFC philosophy on officiating. Better to have pride than hear the snickers wouldn't you say old chap?

You're more than welcome, JBB!

The only time I've ever heard real World snickering...the kind that absolutely rocks a person's soul, is when I'm talking with other Griz/Eagles fans and your name & posts come up! That right there is some "pride" for you to hang your hat on, huh!??!

Outside of the NDSU fan base, I've yet to talk with, or hear ANYONE say that they think EWU's Championship is "tainted".

Keep swingin', you'll hit somethin' eventually! And, thanks again for the entertainment you provide!!

[clenz]

I remember a whole lot of bitching about officiating from Bizun fans after the NDSU/UNI game. Hell after every loss NDSU fans bitch about the refs

[Grizo406]

Here's some more highlights for Lafayette to look at:

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My personal favorite:

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Thank you Grizo, I forgot how cool that moment was! So many mistakes, TJ goes down, a seemingly impossible 90 yards in a snow storm with 2 and change left...it was as exciting as watching the blizzard swirl through the mouth of Hellgate in the 09 semi's.

It was indeed, kalm!

[JBB]

[JBB]

I remember a whole lot of bitching about officiating from Bizun fans after the NDSU/UNI game. Hell after every loss NDSU fans bitch about the refs

If the officiating was poor, and I doubt your claim about poor officiating in the MVFC, it must be mentioned. The emperor has no clothes as far as the EWU title is concerened. Thats the type of thing we dont want to see in a conference like the MVFC.

If your team is cheating and getting away with it an attitude like yours is certainly expected. Although I am confident the MVFC officials are fair and kowledgable of the game with the courage to make the right call, Im not so sure about UNI and its reputation. Far more likely, if not almost a certainty, the Panthers were cheating.

Its the responsibility of every fan to judge and comment on the officiating, good or bad. I certainly am quick to point out when the officials are doing an excellent job. You will find reference to good officiating in many of my posts.

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When you see fan behavior like Griz406 you have to wonder if some fans even want the game to be clean. Certainly their behavior reflects a propensity toward the immature and poorly educated class. What a terrible reflection his comments are on what is otherwise a reasonably capable program, good enough to be mentioned from time-to-time when the talk turns to the NDSU BISON and the new FCS elite. Its a shame really.

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[houndawg]

I remember a whole lot of bitching about officiating from Bizun fans after the NDSU/UNI game. Hell after every loss NDSU fans bitch about the refs

If the officiating was poor, and I doubt your claim about poor officiating in the MVFC, it must be mentioned. The emperor has no clothes as far as the EWU title is concerened. Thats the type of thing we dont want to see in a conference like the MVFC.

If your team is cheating and getting away with it an attitude like yours is certainly expected. Although I am confident the MVFC officials are fair and kowledgable of the game with the courage to make the right call, Im not so sure about UNI and its reputation. Far more likely, if not almost a certainty, the Panthers were cheating.

Its the responsibility of every fan to judge and comment on the officiating, good or bad. I certainly am quick to point out when the officials are doing an excellent job. You will find reference to good officiating in many of my posts.

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Worst officiating in FCS with the possible exception of MEAC.

You are young and not possessed of sufficient football IQ to judge the officiating at this level.

When you see fan behavior like Griz406 you have to wonder if some fans even want the game to be clean. Certainly their behavior reflects a propensity toward the immature and poorly educated class. What a terrible reflection his comments are on what is otherwise a reasonably capable program, good enough to be mentioned from time-to-time when the talk turns to the NDSU BISON and the new FCS elite. Its a shame really.

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[houndawg]

I remember a whole lot of bitching about officiating from Bizun fans after the NDSU/UNI game. Hell after every loss NDSU fans bitch about the refs

If the officiating was poor, and I doubt your claim about poor officiating in the MVFC, it must be mentioned. The emperor has no clothes as far as the EWU title is concerened. Thats the type of thing we dont want to see in a conference like the MVFC.

If your team is cheating and getting away with it an attitude like yours is certainly expected. Although I am confident the MVFC officials are fair and kowledgable of the game with the courage to make the right call, Im not so sure about UNI and its reputation. Far more likely, if not almost a certainty, the Panthers were cheating.

Its the responsibility of every fan to judge and comment on the officiating, good or bad. I certainly am quick to point out when the officials are doing an excellent job. You will find reference to good officiating in many of my posts.

Yet again, JaBBer, your low football IQ is on display in front of god and everybody.


MVC officiating is the worst in FCS except for maybe the MEAC. So bad that the word is that next season they're going to replace their flags with cowbells; it isn't yet known if they will ring them or throw them in response to a penalty.

[Gil Dobie]

If you are into blaming refs for the result of a game, you will notice others also blaming refs for the result of their games. Refs are part of the game, just like weather. The results of the game are not going to change after the game is over no matter how the weather was, or how the Refs called the game. Get up off the turf, brush off the dirt and prepare for the next game.

[JBB]

Absolutely Gil. A truth of the game. Why these people continue to dwell on it I don't know?

Folks like Houndawg claim the officiating in the MVFC is terrible. Certainly that lends to the argument UNI cheats. Certainly the MVFC officiating isnt as bad as what we saw in the BSC last season, also supporting my claim the MVFC officiating is among the best.

The game has rules to protect itself against accountability for terrible officiating. The no comment rules for coaches etc. On the other hand its a fact if a horse won on a muddy track. Its also a fact that EWU won a football game when a series of calls spanning the entire game all went in their favor and were indispensable in their win. Certainly the results cant be changed. Unfortunately the abnormalities in officiating encountered in that game could reinforce the propensity for EWU to cheat. Lets hope not.

[JBB]

I've never heard a peep of controversy coming from the Patriot League. I hope the Leopards arent disappointed in the MVFC officiating. I myself have tremendous confidence it will be top notch.

[easterntennhen]

The 4th bison dynasty= biggest whiners in fcs

[Grizo406]

When you see fan behavior like Griz406 you have to wonder if some fans even want the game to be clean. Certainly their behavior reflects a propensity toward the immature and poorly educated class. What a terrible reflection his comments are on what is otherwise a reasonably capable program, good enough to be mentioned from time-to-time when the talk turns to the NDSU BISON and the new FCS elite. Its a shame really.

[EWURanger]

Why these people continue to dwell on it I don't know?

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.......so now it's everyone else who has been dwelling on it this entire time?

The bottom line is that NDSU surrendered a 90 yard game-tying drive in a snow storm with just a little over two minutes left in the game. There were two fourth down conversions in that drive. Two. And then the NDSU defense gave up a TD on the first play of OT. EWU turned the ball over four times in the second half alone, yet NDSU could still not put the game away given all those opportunities to do so. I notice you never mention any of that. Just Bill Fette and cowbells.

And why we're on Bill Fette, the replay official doesn't "make" any calls. He reviews the call that is made on the field. If there isn't sufficient video evidence to overrule the call made on the field, it isn't changed. There wasn't, and he didn't. Who knows.....it's possible he was down. It's also possible it was a fumble, because it does look like Jensen was kind of bobbling the ball as he went down. In some angles it looks like he was actually on top of Sherritt when the ball came out. Either way, there wasn't enough evidence in the video for that call to have been overruled.

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Also, you keep making these lame assertions about Big Sky officiating and EWU cheating. Yeah, Big Sky officiating sucks at times, but you do understand that officiating crews come from other conferences during the playoffs, correct? This particular crew came from the CAA.

The one call I did think was blown was the play prior to TJ's first long run, I think it was. Sure, maybe he doesn't reel off that big run if that play had gone differently. Maybe he runs for 300 yards in that game if he doesn't break his foot? He was pretty much on pace to do so. All hypotheticals. One bad call doesn't make or break a game. There was a call or two that went NDSU's way that were questionable as well. Doesn't matter.

[JBB]

I agree with you! That call before the big run by TJ was a terrible call, the first of a number of curious "not enough evidence to turn it over" calls. The announcers, and they were good announcers, thought the call would certainly be overturned. It was funny to hear the coughing and the well you never knows.

Im not going to bother looking back but if you insist on talking about this I will Oblige. I know how you guys go on and who blames you?

I believe the 90 yard drive at the end of the game was another example. Wasn't that drive sustained by a bad interference call.

The game ended on a bad call.

As far as the officiating went, the field guys were ok. They made some bad calls but they didnt always have the right angle, things happen fast, there was snow etc etc. But, thats why they went to the expense of instant replay. It was the replay booth that dropped the ball on that game.

The problem of course, with these types of alleged incidents, is the pavlov dog theory. The big unintended consequence is that the benefactors of these types of inexplicable conclusions tend to get reinforced in their bad habits. They cant help it. Its a natural consequence. It will be interesting to see if EWU or UNI are penalized more next season than last. If they are penalized more it will be clear evidence that their bad behaviors have been reinforced.

I think we can all hope the Lafayette game has better officiating from the field level (it would be nice to never need instant replay) to the booth guys (if there are any). But hey, hats off to the bad call, nice game you know. But 5 of them?

[houndawg]

I agree with you! That call before the big run by TJ was a terrible call, the first of a number of curious "not enough evidence to turn it over" calls. The announcers, and they were good announcers, thought the call would certainly be overturned. It was funny to hear the coughing and the well you never knows.

Im not going to bother looking back but if you insist on talking about this I will Oblige. I know how you guys go on and who blames you?

I believe the 90 yard drive at the end of the game was another example. Wasn't that drive sustained by a bad interference call.

The game ended on a bad call.

As far as the officiating went, the field guys were ok. They made some bad calls but they didnt always have the right angle, things happen fast, there was snow etc etc. But, thats why they went to the expense of instant replay. It was the replay booth that dropped the ball on that game.

The problem of course, with these types of alleged incidents, is the pavlov dog theory. The big unintended consequence is that the benefactors of these types of inexplicable conclusions tend to get reinforced in their bad habits. They cant help it. Its a natural consequence. It will be interesting to see if EWU or UNI are penalized more next season than last. If they are penalized more it will be clear evidence that their bad behaviors have been reinforced.

I think we can all hope the Lafayette game has better officiating from the field level (it would be nice to never need instant replay) to the booth guys (if there are any). But hey, hats off to the bad call, nice game you know. But 5 of them?

Mostly it was sustained by a defense that gave up and NCAA record 200+ yards rushing in one half. When you're getting a whuppin' like that it doesn't even matter if refs were there. You had it all, JaBBer, a gift opening round home game, their best player out before he torch you for another 200 in the second half, sloppy weather, which always favors the slower, less athletic team, and your opponent pinned on their own ten yard line with two minutes left in the game, TJ on the bench, and a trip to the NC on the line.
The only thing the officials could have done to help EWU was to give the Bisome a giant collective Heimlich manuever to ease the choking.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

I agree with you! That call before the big run by TJ was a terrible call, the first of a number of curious "not enough evidence to turn it over" calls. The announcers, and they were good announcers, thought the call would certainly be overturned. It was funny to hear the coughing and the well you never knows.



I believe the 90 yard drive at the end of the game was another example. Wasn't that drive sustained by a bad interference call.

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The problem of course, with these types of alleged incidents, is the pavlov dog theory. The big unintended consequence is that the benefactors of these types of inexplicable conclusions tend to get reinforced in their bad habits. They cant help it. Its a natural consequence. It will be interesting to see if EWU or UNI are penalized more next season than last. If they are penalized more it will be clear evidence that their bad behaviors have been reinforced.

I think we can all hope the Lafayette game has better officiating from the field level (it would be nice to never need instant replay) to the booth guys (if there are any). But hey, hats off to the bad call, nice game you know. But 5 of them?

Mostly it was sustained by a defense that gave up and NCAA record 200+ yards rushing in one half. When you're getting a whuppin' like that it doesn't even matter if refs were there. You had it all, JaBBer, a gift opening round home game, their best player out before he torch you for another 200 in the second half, sloppy weather, which always favors the slower, less athletic team, and your opponent pinned on their own ten yard line with two minutes left in the game, TJ on the bench, and a trip to the NC on the line.
The only thing the officials could have done to help EWU was to give the Bisome a giant collective Heimlich manuever to ease the choking.

Perfect, other than it was a trip to host the defending NC on the line.

[EWURanger]

I believe the 90 yard drive at the end of the game was another example. Wasn't that drive sustained by a bad interference call.

The PI call occurred on the final drive, yes that is correct. No, it did not sustain the drive, because I believe it was one or two plays after that long pass up the middle that Edwards bobbled off his shoulder pad and hauled in for a big gain. The play you are talking about was without a shadow of a doubt pass interference. Hell, even a lot of NDSU folks said as much when all this was being debated.

The game ended on a bad call.

It ended on a questionable call. If it was a bad call there'd be indisputable video evidence to show that it was a bad call, but there isn't, so at the end of the day it's just your opinion that it was a bad call. I'm not saying it was the correct call, but I also don't think it was incorrect. They did the best job they could with what they had. It sucks that it had to end like that. Trust me, we get sick of hearing from the NDSU fans that they got jobbed in that game, etc. etc. You try to make certain points, but people will only see what the they want to see, so at some point you just kind of say "whatever" and move on.

The most ironic thing about this whole discussion is that I thought the 4th and 1 call in the NC was as equally controversial call, yet you don't see the UD fans on here complaining about the replay officials losing the game for them. That could have been a bad call as well, who knows....in some angles it looked like he got it, in others it doesn't. And then there's the whole discussion about the yellow tv line not being where the actual 1st down marker was on the field......that whole thing was a nightmare, but again, the officials did the best they could. After they moved those chains, it was going to be impossible to make the correct spot.

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[JBB]

I dont know what the problem is with you fellows. You just wont drop this will you? Ok Ill explain something before I go to the picnic.

All the stats you are bragging about are questionable. They were made possible by the official in the booth, the EWU most valuable "player" for that game, Bill Fette. He failed to make a ruling in the face of incontrovertible evidence. Even one of your own admits the bounced pass completion was upheld allowing a huge run for TJ that should have never occurred.

The entire game, every accomplishment by EWU was aided by poor officiating. You guys can go on-and-and-on about this but you cant get that taste out of your mouth. It was a bad game, bad for the FCS, bad for the schools involved and bad for the playoffs.

I dont know anything about the UD fans. You guys dont seem to go on and-on-and-on about the fiasco in the NC game. Clearly the officials were wrong on that one too, but the call went in favor of EWU.

My main concern is for EWU. They have been benefactors of the most outlandish officiating I have ever seen. Will this reward them and encourage further cheating? Lets hope not, ok fellas?

All of your good intentions to brag something up that is in fact an embarrassment to the game is futile. It is what it is, the title has the asterisk.

[William Fette]

It's only cheating if you get caught.

[Gil Dobie]

It's only cheating if you get caught.

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[Grizo406]

There's only one imagined or projected sequence of events that could have wound JBB any tighter than he already is. It's hard for me to believe that's possible at this point, but here's the scenario that would have done it, IMO...

NDSU beats EWU in the Semi's, and then goes on to Frisco to play Delaware for the National Championship...and the Bison lose. I wonder who would have replace William Fette in that one? Although we're all missin' the entertainment that would have provided from JBB's posts, I'm still happy for Eastern Washington, and their football program!

Just another reason to thank the Eagles!!!

[Gil Dobie]

WTF is Bill Fette?

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