Quick Question About Montana?

[SeattleGriz]

Well I Have To Agree The Stadium Might Need A Upgrade, But Aye Thats What We Have And We Are Proud Of It. The Reason Why Montana Stadium Is So Big Is Because Their Is Know FBS School In The STate Of Montana...lol, So They Can Put All Their Money Into That Stadium. Its No Problem For Them. We Have 8 or 9 FBS Schools In Texas. So Please Choose Your Words Wisely...lol

Quick question about SFA, why don't they build a real stadium instead of that dump they play in now?

...and the population to support them 24,326,974. Montana is still under 1 million. Even at 10 FBS schools in Texas, you still have a higher population density at 2.4 million people per FBS school. I'm not seeing your point about not having enough to go around.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Well I Have To Agree The Stadium Might Need A Upgrade, But Aye Thats What We Have And We Are Proud Of It. The Reason Why Montana Stadium Is So Big Is Because Their Is Know FBS School In The STate Of Montana...lol, So They Can Put All Their Money Into That Stadium. Its No Problem For Them. We Have 8 or 9 FBS Schools In Texas. So Please Choose Your Words Wisely...lol

Quick question about SFA, why don't they build a real stadium instead of that dump they play in now?

Hey dumbfuck, choose your words wisely. You are selecting them all wrong. Why don't you go ahead and check the population of Texas compared to Montana and then tell us how much population you still have to work with. We can't help it that you guys can't compete in your own state. You're small potato's and you will have to live with that fact. I bet there are High School stadiums in Texas that make yours look like a piece of shit so what's the excuse now? You don't draw, you have to whore yourselves, and you still can't get away from a dual sport facility? Be happy with your little place in the grand scheme of things and don't feel bad about suffering by comparison. You really can't do anything about it. Keep a stiff upper lip little feller.

[SFA Fan!!!]

lol, U Know What U Are Right, Their Are High School Stadiums That Are Bigger Than SFA Stadium. SFA is located in a small town also, a town where there are alot of other fans of Major Football programs. Texas, Texas A&M, Texas tech, TCU, SMU etc....lol, For Montana, The Big School Is The University Of Montana.lol, So Yeah I Expect Everyone in the state to be rooting for them. Duhhh,lol, And They Are D-1 AA, So You Cannot Compare SFA With Montana. Especially Stadium Wise. Its Cool, We Will Take All The Bashing, Just Use It As Motivation. THANKS!!!

Well I Have To Agree The Stadium Might Need A Upgrade, But Aye Thats What We Have And We Are Proud Of It. The Reason Why Montana Stadium Is So Big Is Because Their Is Know FBS School In The STate Of Montana...lol, So They Can Put All Their Money Into That Stadium. Its No Problem For Them. We Have 8 or 9 FBS Schools In Texas. So Please Choose Your Words Wisely...lol

Hey ****, choose your words wisely. You are selecting them all wrong. Why don't you go ahead and check the population of Texas compared to Montana and then tell us how much population you still have to work with. We can't help it that you guys can't compete in your own state. You're small potato's and you will have to live with that fact. I bet there are High School stadiums in Texas that make yours look like a piece of **** so what's the excuse now? You don't draw, you have to whore yourselves, and you still can't get away from a dual sport facility? Be happy with your little place in the grand scheme of things and don't feel bad about suffering by comparison. You really can't do anything about it. Keep a stiff upper lip little feller.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

lol, U Know What U Are Right, Their Are High School Stadiums That Are Bigger Than SFA Stadium. SFA is located in a small town also, a town where there are alot of other fans of Major Football programs. Texas, Texas A&M, Texas tech, TCU, SMU etc....lol, For Montana, The Big School Is The University Of Montana.lol, So Yeah I Expect Everyone in the state to be rooting for them. Duhhh,lol, And They Are D-1 AA, So You Cannot Compare SFA With Montana. Especially Stadium Wise. Its Cool, We Will Take All The Bashing, Just Use It As Motivation. THANKS!!!

Hey ****, choose your words wisely. You are selecting them all wrong. Why don't you go ahead and check the population of Texas compared to Montana and then tell us how much population you still have to work with. We can't help it that you guys can't compete in your own state. You're small potato's and you will have to live with that fact. I bet there are High School stadiums in Texas that make yours look like a piece of **** so what's the excuse now? You don't draw, you have to whore yourselves, and you still can't get away from a dual sport facility? Be happy with your little place in the grand scheme of things and don't feel bad about suffering by comparison. You really can't do anything about it. Keep a stiff upper lip little feller.

Your guys get motivation from fan sites? Holy fuckin' shit balls you are gonna have a rough one.

So, in your own town the locals don't give a shit about ya, the high schools have better facilities, and you are "lol'ing" constantly as you type? My god it must be fantastic to have the outlook that you do. You have so little and yet you are laughing constantly...good for you my little mongoloid.

Please for the love of god stop the cycle of idiocy. No more sister fucking. I mean it.

[Col Hogan]

Well I Have To Agree The Stadium Might Need A Upgrade, But Aye Thats What We Have And We Are Proud Of It. The Reason Why Montana Stadium Is So Big Is Because Their Is Know FBS School In The STate Of Montana...lol, So They Can Put All Their Money Into That Stadium. Its No Problem For Them. We Have 8 or 9 FBS Schools In Texas. So Please Choose Your Words Wisely...lol

Quick question about SFA, why don't they build a real stadium instead of that dump they play in now?

For those of you who have asked me why my kids wanted to go to school outside of Texas when they could have gone for next to nothing in Texas, I offer you SFA Fan...

Both can read and write in clear sentences. Both know how to type using a computer, and both understand that upper case letters are used at the start of a sentence and for proper names, etc...not EVERY F'IN WORD!!!

SFA Fan...take some advise from someone who usually will pile on the Griz at the drop of a hat...You don't know what the puck you are talking about...STOP...

[Chizzang]

Montana makes enough from home games they don't need to do FBS games.

BINGO..!!!

FBS schools pay between $450K to $1M
Most averaging around $600K

Montana makes $750K playing Western State or the likes of teams such as them So playing "body bag" FBS games is not required to pay the rent anymore...

[JAX]

Montana doesn't play FBS schools because they are on NCAA probation for having a bunch of criminals on the field for every game during their coach's tenure.

[CatMom]

Can I just say something here? Fuck it, I will anyway.

1. Of course I don't like SFA. Damn, we're in the same league. Just remember 62-21 and 28-7. We didn't make the playoffs but I can handle that without going ballistic.

2. Get over it. Using FBS teams to try and justify a weak argument about Montana not playing FBS teams is more than apples and oranges. Jeezuz, UT's football budget is 4 times our entire athletic budget. FBS teams (especially BCS ones) are money machines. They draw 50-100k a game, think about the $$ for just that. They get money from the BCS and ESPN and CBS etc.

3. TCU playing SMU? That's about as close a FBS game as you can get in TX besides Rice/Houston. Nebraska/ VT? Piece of cake. Those schools have BIG bucks and they plan for those games with ease. Come on...TXST routinely goes to Colorado or Utah or the Dakotas for home and homes. It puts a cramp in the budget but it's what you do to play some OOC games. The SLC has a spread out conference with huge travel issues. Have you checked what the Big Sky already has to deal with? Takes a big chunk out of their budget.

4. Of course Montana and Montana State are going to have the fans. They are the only game in town. Good for them. It is the nature of the state of Montana. They also have the players to have consistently good to great teams. It's not their fault (like there is any) It just is. I'd love to see us get the kind of backing they have and not have the need for a 'money game' ie: Enough revenue generated to fuflfill the athletic budget needs without a TCU or SMU or A&M game and replace it with another good FCS team. It ain't happening.

5. Lay off Montana. When any team in the SLC can talk about their program like the Griz can, then you can criticize. Go pick on the CAA...After you understand what the issues are there.

6. Get over it!

[Grizo406]

Montana doesn't play FBS schools because they are on NCAA probation for having a bunch of criminals on the field for every game during their coach's tenure.

[Shellin]

Montana doesn't play FBS schools because they are on NCAA probation for having a bunch of criminals on the field for every game during their coach's tenure.

Well, I think Jax pretty much nailed it, no point in continuing this argument

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Well, I think Jax pretty much nailed it, no point in continuing this argument

hey Shellin, good to see ya man! Better get that avatar up cuz I've missed it something fierce in the last year.

[CatMom]

One more thing....The SLC is a middle of the road conference. There are better ones out there and we haven't reached that level yet, We may never do so. When we can really match up with the BSC, CAA and SoCon, then we can talk more about this. But it won't change the fact of this thread.

We're not as consistent as those 3. We (SLC) have a team that has a good run of players and for 1 year we have "that season" These teams do it year in and year out. When this happens, that's when you can compare apples to apples.

I do knock other teams/conferences. I try to put an sort of wry humor in it, that is often mistaken, but at least I know TXST isn't up to that level. I just am a fan and try to defend them but I get my reality checks and move on. I think you should do the same.

[Grizalltheway]

If nothing else, this thread has given us our hands down winner of the coveted "flat-out dumbest poster of the year" award.

[DoubleNicks]

I bet UNI is happy they scheduled Iowa this year...one point loss, so close, just fills the fans with pride...oh wait, if UNI would've scheduled an FCS and won they would've been in the playoffs instead of Weber State. Instead, because of the Iowa game, they sit at home with dashed NC hopes (and even with a one point loss to an FBS, they still didn't have a resume to be considered in the top 16 for the Division I playoffs. How's that for stacking up, SFA? They lost by more to South Dakota State than to Iowa, so maybe they should just skip the easy FBS games and play some real FCS teams if they want to see how they truly stack up.)

Another thing, Griz used to play Idaho almost every year but after beating them 4 straight times (some pretty lopsided outcomes), Idaho decided they didn't want to continue with the rivalry. And don't give me "yeah, but it's Idaho". Who'd the CAA beat that was FBS? Temple was the marquee win, wasn't it? TEMPLE Still, they at least won, which is more than SFA can say...

I'm guessing the reason for the original post is that SFA is already panicking because he/she sees the inevitable loss approaching to UM and is already making excuses and upset his/her team had to play Montana to advance in the playoffs.

[89Hen]

I tried to make the point that Villanova, UNH, Richmond and William and Mary's AD's are scheduling pretty much in line with all other schools who have made the playoffs. While they did schedule and beat an FBS team earlier in the year, they were nowhere near the level of competition the Western teams are forced to choose from due to geography. I say this, because no team schedules Oregon State, Arizona State, Oklahoma, California, Michigan State, Mississippi, or Kansas because they want to "see how they compare", they schedule them because they need the money.

It's like you said AZ. We could schedule our beatable FBS game every year, but that would only be Idaho and Washington State in any sort of close proximity and good luck making money on those games. They cannot guarantee Montana 750K.

You're making several different statements here SG. There IS a definite choice of money vs competitiveness. UNH had to fly to Ball State. Montana had to fly to Iowa. The difference isn't in travel, it's in money. Your implication that you have it tougher because you have to travel isn't valid IMO.

Some CAA teams do schedule the high dollar games (Maine/Nebraska, UMass/Texas Tech), some schedule teams they can beat (UNH/Ball St, Richmond/Duke) and some schedule teams close by (Delaware/Navy, W&M/UVA). Some fall into the last two categories, but it's rare.

Every I-AA has a choice on money vs winability. I don't have a problem with either, but don't make it out like you don't have a choice.

[AZGrizFan]

Quick question about SFA, why don't they build a real stadium instead of that dump they play in now?

Is it just me, or does that stadium (and I use that term loosely) look like it's sitting in the middle of a prison yard?

[pantherrob82]

Well I Have To Agree The Stadium Might Need A Upgrade, But Aye Thats What We Have And We Are Proud Of It. The Reason Why Montana Stadium Is So Big Is Because Their Is Know FBS School In The STate Of Montana...lol, So They Can Put All Their Money Into That Stadium. Its No Problem For Them. We Have 8 or 9 FBS Schools In Texas. So Please Choose Your Words Wisely...lol

Quick question about SFA, why don't they build a real stadium instead of that dump they play in now?

You're an idiot. How's that?

[putter]

I tried to make the point that Villanova, UNH, Richmond and William and Mary's AD's are scheduling pretty much in line with all other schools who have made the playoffs. While they did schedule and beat an FBS team earlier in the year, they were nowhere near the level of competition the Western teams are forced to choose from due to geography. I say this, because no team schedules Oregon State, Arizona State, Oklahoma, California, Michigan State, Mississippi, or Kansas because they want to "see how they compare", they schedule them because they need the money.

It's like you said AZ. We could schedule our beatable FBS game every year, but that would only be Idaho and Washington State in any sort of close proximity and good luck making money on those games. They cannot guarantee Montana 750K.

You're making several different statements here SG. There IS a definite choice of money vs competitiveness. UNH had to fly to Ball State. Montana had to fly to Iowa. The difference isn't in travel, it's in money. Your implication that you have it tougher because you have to travel isn't valid IMO.

Some CAA teams do schedule the high dollar games (Maine/Nebraska, UMass/Texas Tech), some schedule teams they can beat (UNH/Ball St, Richmond/Duke) and some schedule teams close by (Delaware/Navy, W&M/UVA). Some fall into the last two categories, but it's rare.

Every I-AA has a choice on money vs winability. I don't have a problem with either, but don't make it out like you don't have a choice.

I agree, Hen. If Washington St were to offer the Griz (which they won't) I think they take it in a heartbeat. They would get paid a decent amount and still have a bus trip for the game.

[FCS Update]

Maybe Montana should play a FBS team, because SFA was not a test.

[CatMom]

Quick question about SFA, why don't they build a real stadium instead of that dump they play in now?

Is it just me, or does that stadium (and I use that term loosely) look like it's sitting in the middle of a prison yard?

AZ, you're thinking of SAM

[kemajic]

I would just like to not that this was not said by 89Hen or any other CAA ECB culprit!

I'm just trying to figure out his logic, because 8 of the 11 games we can't do anything about, and 2 of the 3 OOC games (UC Davis and Cal Poly) most people didn't have an issue with, so it comes down to ONE **** GAME we're talking about here. And, I could be wrong, but ONE GAME isn't going to make or break our preparedness for the playoffs. You could replace Western State with Southern California and we're not going to be any more prepared for the playoffs than we would be playing Western State. Me thinks kemajic's REAL issue is paying good, American money to go watch a 38-0 pasting of a school that couldn't beat the folks in Helena, let alone the Griz.

The logic shouldn't be so difficult to follow. We play an overly weak schedule for reasons stated in the previous post. I don't single out this year; it has been an issue ever since our yes man AD took over. If your argument is that it isn't weak, let's look at some facts. There are real dogs in the BSC; so there is no need for cupcakes in the OOC. Yet we play a 3-8 DII team, and two FCSs a combined 10-12. The combined record of Montana's 2009 scheduled opponents was 51-72. Do you believe this is appropriate for a program that touts itself as a national leader at its level and benefits from a strong following of proud fans? Without doing the research, this is close to what it has been for the last several years. The criticism the program gets for its scheduling posture is justified. Yes, replacing Western St. with a credible opponent would have made a significant difference, if it were a very strong FCS or better yet, a winnable regional FBS. There are several that are a bus ride away. But that would cost the President some dallars and raise the ire of the HC. Worse, if the FBS games were won, it would increase the drive among the fans to "move up." There is no shame in this admin. as Westen St. is on the schedule again in 2010. They don't even want to play a good DII.