The Support Frisco Effort

[clenz]

The Super Bowl is in Miami which isn't really centrally located at all.


What if it was Arizona and San Diego?

I forgot, everything has to be within driving distance of the coast and the New England area.

[BullDog85]

It doesn't matter what any of us think or want. What matters when it comes to the NC game is the highest bidder. Chattanooga has hosted it the last few years because they guaranteed a certain amount of revenue to the NCAA, plain and simple. If Frisco wants the game, they need to put up or shut up.

[Skjellyfetti]

Frisco would be easier to get to for ALL fans... except 75% of FCS fans that live on the East Coast? Hmmm. Interesting.

There are only two teams in the game in any given year so the rest of that 75% don't mean ****.

And there's only 1 West Coast team that ever goes to the championship game... so the rest of the West Cost doesn't mean shit.

[AZGrizFan]

Over 60% of the FCS world can drive to Chatty...reduces costs...makes the game a lot more accessible...

I hope the NCAA takes that into consideration...

BUT THEY DON'T.

i hope the NCAA takes THAT into consideration.

[TexasTerror]

BUT THEY DON'T.

i hope the NCAA takes THAT into consideration.

+1

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

There are only two teams in the game in any given year so the rest of that 75% don't mean ****.

And there's only 1 West Coast team that ever goes to the championship game... so the rest of the West Cost doesn't mean shit.

I have been going under the assumption that the rest of the west coast teams don't mean shit as that is all we hear from the majority on that coast. I was showing that usually ONLY ONE and once in a while both from the east coast matter in any given year. If one Western team and one Eastern teams fans are all that matters in any given year then it is just silly to act like the other losers on either coast count in the discussion. They don't.

[Pwns]

You East Coast people need to suck it up. How many years has it been in your back yard? Now it time to favor some of us western people it may not be as many of us, but we do count. So save up some money like some of us had to and be ready to travel to Frisco. It's about time we have a voice in our favor.

I'll never understand the inferiority complex that teams west of the Mississippi have for teams east of it. The east coast just has more programs (see the map). Moving the NC just for the sake of fairness makes no sense. I want the game somewhere where we will get good attendance. And I don't see attendance going up if the game is moved to Frisco unless we start seeing more SLC and Big Sky teams in the champ game.

[clenz]

FWIW UNI has made a title game in the last decade, so there is another fan base that had a hell of a drive...not that Texas is any closer

[CatMom]

You East Coast people need to suck it up. How many years has it been in your back yard? Now it time to favor some of us western people it may not be as many of us, but we do count. So save up some money like some of us had to and be ready to travel to Frisco. It's about time we have a voice in our favor.

I'll never understand the inferiority complex that teams west of the Mississippi have for teams east of it. The east coast just has more programs (see the map). Moving the NC just for the sake of fairness makes no sense. I want the game somewhere where we will get good attendance. And I don't see attendance going up if the game is moved to Frisco unless we start seeing more SLC and Big Sky teams in the champ game.

Are you new here? It's not inferiority complex we have as much as it is the east coast teams fans spending time and energy constantly degrading the western FCS teams because we're not as good, the CAA is the best and, yes, the NC should stay where they have the easy access. Just stick around, you'll "see" it. It gets old and repetitive and overtly annoying

As for the other, get the committee to use a normal playoff scenario
1 vs 16
2 vs 15
3 vs 14
etc.
and see what happens

[FargoBison]

The title game has been out east every year since 1988. No reason it can't be moved to Texas for a couple year trial run. Unless you are afraid it might actually be a success.

BTW the first FCS title game was played in Texas, UMASS and Florida A&M were the teams, and the attendance was 13,600 fans not too far off of the 14,330 that showed in Chatty to watch Montana and Nova...

[UD1Hens]

As for the other, get the committee to use a normal playoff scenario
1 vs 16
2 vs 15
3 vs 14
etc.
and see what happens

That was awesome when that was the case, a true tournament format. Being that the NCAA pays for transportation during playoff games it would be hard to see that changing back though. They'd have a fit if Montana and their 25,000 person gate traveled to 5,000 person gate Delaware St for example. So they'd lose money for the travel and for the gate dollars.

[Grizalltheway]

The title game has been out east every year since 1988.

BTW the first FCS title game was played in Texas, UMASS and Florida A&M were the teams, and the attendance was 13,600 fans not too far off of the 14,330 that showed in Chatty to watch Montana and Nova...

Stop bringing facts and figures into this argument!

WON'T YOU THINK OF THE ATTENDANCE, PLEASE!!!1

[89Hen]

Poll on site...

“Yes, I’m interested in going to NCAA Division I Football Championship games in Frisco! If the games come to Pizza Hut Park, I’d be interested in… ”

What an EMPTY promise. Just like all the folks who say "If the game were in Orlando, count me in." and "Move it to Vegas and I'd go even if my team weren't in it.".

[txstatebobcat]

If TxSt were to make it to the championship, I don't care if the game is held in the north pole, I would go. As far as Non-TxSt championships games go however, I would only attend if the game was within an hour's drive, and since San Antonio is out of the running then count me out of attending the game in Frisco. With that said I think the number of FCS fans in the metroplex is probably higher than in Chattanooga, and that's counting UT-Chattanooga. As such it is easy to assume that attendance would be higher in Frisco.

[Fact]

Frisco is too far off the beaten path from most FCS teams.. The only thing that would sweeten the pot is (hopefully) the weather would be somewhat mild.

[GannonFan]

You know, it's not really an East Coast thing - most teams and fans on the East Coast would still need to fly to Chatty - for many it's a 12+ hour drive. I'm a UD guy and I flew to Atlanta and drove the 2 hours north to Chatty back in '07. The placement in Chatty has really only been beneficial to the SoCon, and mainly Appy St since they've been good during this time.

I'm all in favor of having it in Frisco. Chatty was ok, but it wasn't so awesome that moving the game would be risking a real good thing.

[danefan]

You know, it's not really an East Coast thing - most teams and fans on the East Coast would still need to fly to Chatty - for many it's a 12+ hour drive. I'm a UD guy and I flew to Atlanta and drove the 2 hours north to Chatty back in '07. The placement in Chatty has really only been beneficial to the SoCon, and mainly Appy St since they've been good during this time.
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+1

[Tribe4SF]

Count me among the east coast fans who think Frisco would be ok. Chatty ain't exactly easy to get to, and airfares to Dallas are pretty reasonable. The weather possibilities in early January are another consideration.

[UNI88]

You know, it's not really an East Coast thing - most teams and fans on the East Coast would still need to fly to Chatty - for many it's a 12+ hour drive. I'm a UD guy and I flew to Atlanta and drove the 2 hours north to Chatty back in '07. The placement in Chatty has really only been beneficial to the SoCon, and mainly Appy St since they've been good during this time.

I'm all in favor of having it in Frisco. Chatty was ok, but it wasn't so awesome that moving the game would be risking a real good thing.

I understand and agree with the distance arguments. While one could argue that proximity to east coast teams has not helped attendence in Chatty that argument is based more on opinion than fact. Low attendence by a participating school does not mean that the location has not helped attendence. It is just as easy to argue that proximity has helped attendence. Would App St have had as many fans in attendance in Frisco as Chatty? What about Delaware? JMU?

While I do think that in most instances moving the game to Frisco would cause a drop in attendance by fans of the participating teams I agree with GF that we should give it a shot. I don't believe the risk is huge and an increase in local support might more than make up for the drop.

One major positive regardless of where they hold it is that people will have more time to make travel arrangements which should help attendence.

[UNI88]

Here is an idea, how about we try to put the game next to a major airport just once. If NDSU ever makes the game, Chatty is not an easy trip, it is a long drive and is hard to get to. I don't care where the game is, just put it in a place that is easy to fly to. Orlando or Vegas would be ideal, but Frisco/Dallas is far better than Chatty.

As for the MVC, Frisco is better for most schools. Chatty is at least a 10 hour drive for all but a few a schools. Flying to Dallas would be easier for the 5 schools that are looking at a 10 hour plus drive to either city.

While I like the idea of having the game in Orlando due to cheap airfares and better weather especially with the additional time to plan the trip I have to disagree on the MVC.

Chatty is:
- less than a 10 hour drive for SIU and both ISU's (3)
- approx a 10 hour drive for YSU, WIU & Mo St (3)
- just over 13 hours for UNI (1)
- requires a flight for the DSU's (2)

Frisco is:
- less than a 10 hour drive for Mo St. (1)
- approx a 10 hour drive for SIU (1)
- just over 13 hours for UNI, WIU, both ISU's and possibly SDSU (5)
- requires a flight from NDSU & YSU (2)

A 10 hour drive isn't a tough drive for a student or frugal fan that wants to attend but can't afford to pay for an airline ticket and rent a car with some friends.

[mcveyrl]

You know, it's not really an East Coast thing - most teams and fans on the East Coast would still need to fly to Chatty - for many it's a 12+ hour drive. I'm a UD guy and I flew to Atlanta and drove the 2 hours north to Chatty back in '07. The placement in Chatty has really only been beneficial to the SoCon, and mainly Appy St since they've been good during this time.
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+1

+ another.

You can rest assured that if JMU makes the NC game and it's in Frisco, I will be there (and you're talking to somebody that is currently 2.5 hours from Chatty).

I do think attendance from each school would drop (assuming no SLC participant) and I'm not sure the local attendance would be that much more than Chatty to bring it up.
But really, who cares? I'm pretty sure that this is not a big moneymaker for anybody, so attendance is being grossly overrated (and overstated - amiright, amiright, amiright ).

It shouldn't be too hard to get 15-20K out for a football game (Frisco or Chatty) and that's about what you're looking for in the NC game.

[BDKJMU]

"If" and "think" do not engender confidence in me...

Over 60% of the FCS world can drive to Chatty...reduces costs...makes the game a lot more accessible...

For other than SLC teams (and when was the last time one made the NC game)...it's fly and drive to Frisco...higher cost...less accessible...

I hope the NCAA takes that into consideration...

Not true. Within about a day's drive, using Mapquest, none of the below are more than 13.5 hrs:

Socon:
Samford: Birmingham to Frisco: 10:12/664 miles
UTC: Chattanooga to Frisco: 12:21/797 miles

MVC:
MSU: Springfield, MO to Frisco 6:33/401 miles
SIU: Carbondale to Frisco: 10:08/6:49
WIU: Macomb to Frisco: 12:18/725
Ill State: Normal to Frisco: 12:34/788
Indiana St: 12:34/788
UNI: Cedar Falls to Frisco: 12:40/807 miles
SDSU: 13:32/879

MVC not within a day's drive would be YSU, NDSU

As far as the top 5 conferences go:
-Big Sky, none of the teams are within a days drive of either location.
-MVC- 7 of the 9 are within a days drive of Chatty (NDSU and SDSU not) and 7 of the 9 are withins a day's frive of Frisco.
-Southland all but TX State are within a day's drive of Chatty, and all are within a day's drive of Frisco.

CAA-6 of 10 within a day's drive of Chatty, zero within a days drive of Frisco.
So-Con all 9 within a day's drive of Chatty, only 2 of 9 within a days's drive of Frisco.

So bottom line is for 3 of those 5 conferences it doesn't change that much, and its a big negative for over 3/4 of the So-Con and over half the CAA.

[Mountaineer]

But really, who cares? I'm pretty sure that this is not a big moneymaker for anybody, so attendance is being grossly overrated (and overstated - amiright, amiright, amiright ).

I think you're right. Regardless of where the championship is held I wouldn't expect the locals to come out in droves for what is essentially a niche product.

[TexasTerror]

Operation Frisco in full-gear!

"We believe a ticket pledge initiative is an important piece of our larger strategic plan to show the NCAA the collective benefits of bringing the title game to Frisco," Tom Burnett, commissioner of the Frisco-based Southland Conference, said. "With approximately five weeks left before the final presentation, it's a creative opportunity to show this area's interest in supporting the national championship."

http://www.southland.org/ViewArticle.db ... =204874465

CSN blog - Speaking of the Southland - on the subject.

[BDKJMU]

How many teams in the FCS are within driving distance (roughly 12-15 hours) of Frisco? Basically every fan would have to fly and rent a car to attend the game. The nice thing about Chatty was a majority of championship contenders' fans (excluding Montana's) could plan a last minute trip if their team won the semifinal game and drive there. Having the game in Frisco would eliminate mostly all students from getting to the championship game and family's that can't afford getting tickets, flights, hotel rooms, etc, the week after Christmas.

Wrong. See my above post. Of the top 5 conferences, all of the SLC, 7 of the 9 MVC, and 2 of the 9 So-Con teams are within a day's drive of Frisco.