Budget problems at Montana

[Herky]

Don't forget, Montana would also have to add two additional sports to meet the minimum 16 requirement. In short, it won't happen, the move to FBS is too costly for the Griz. Upgraded facilities, additional staff for football and the two new sports, scholarships for the two new sports, etc etc.

[SouthDakotaGrizzly]

So, if Montana has budget problems, how bad must it be at some of the other Big Sky schools? And what are their options for mitigating the problem?

Maybe UM should just install maroon turf. That's sure to increase revenue.

Almost all of our recruits are in state. And we have many wealthy alumni.

Almost all of our recruits are from your state too! Hence the problem with the out of state schollies...

[Herky]

So, if Montana has budget problems, how bad must it be at some of the other Big Sky schools? And what are their options for mitigating the problem?

Maybe UM should just install maroon turf. That's sure to increase revenue.

Sac State is good, new Spinturf should be done next month, the grass is already torn out.

Just got a UFL team to rent out the stadium, the California Redwoods will now be playing in Sacramento at Hornet Stadium, however their name will be changed.

President of the university passed a fee increase to put more money into athletics, I don't remember the percentage but it was significant.

All is good in Sacto

[Screamin_Eagle174]

So, if Montana has budget problems, how bad must it be at some of the other Big Sky schools? And what are their options for mitigating the problem?

Maybe UM should just install maroon turf. That's sure to increase revenue.

Sac State is good, new Spinturf should be done next month, the grass is already torn out.

Just got a UFL team to rent out the stadium, the California Redwoods will now be playing in Sacramento at Hornet Stadium, however their name will be changed.

President of the university passed a fee increase to put more money into athletics, I don't remember the percentage but it was significant.

All is good in Sacto

Good news to hear! I mean, if Jones can put up 191 yards on Sac's grass, he should eclipse the 200 mark on turf in 2011 easy! In all seriousness though, that's good news to hear... glad things are on the up and up in Sacramento.

[Silenoz]

D) Stop crediting the food service and/or the bookstore with revenue the football team handed them.

If any of you are accountants you can go ahead and pick apart my choice, since I'm sure the holes are glaring

The bookstore is privately owned/operated, they just lease space in the UC. Are we just going to refuse to let them sell merchandise anymore?

What I meant is, where is the AD's share?

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

The bookstore is privately owned/operated, they just lease space in the UC. Are we just going to refuse to let them sell merchandise anymore?

What I meant is, where is the AD's share?

Then I misunderstood ya! You think that the AD should get a cut off of the private business plying their wares? I really thought you meant sales in the stadium. Should the athletic dpt. also get a cut of downtown bars, restaurants, & hotels business on game days?

[grizzaholic]

I will not read this thread. All I have to say is

[Screamin_Eagle174]

I will not read this thread. All I have to say is

But page 2 is all about O'Day's plan to kill off all the wolves to offset some of the budget problems...

[grizzaholic]

I will not read this thread. All I have to say is

But page 2 is all about O'Day's plan to kill off all the wolves to offset some of the budget problems...

Oka........wait a second there. No way....It is a trap!

[FargoBison]

Might be the first time I have ever heard budget problems used a reason to move up. An FBS move up requires about $10 million added the yearly budget, unless you are a BCS school, you aren't going to be rolling in the dough.

[BearIt]

Might be the first time I have ever heard budget problems used a reason to move up. An FBS move up requires about $10 million added the yearly budget, unless you are a BCS school, you aren't going to be rolling in the dough.

I'm not a "move up" guy, but I disagree with this statement.

First off it definately doesn't cost $10 million extra a year to compete at the FBS level. If you add $10 million to our current athletic budget we would have a way bigger budget than any school currently in the WAC.

Second, I would bet money that just about every arguement to move up from any division is based on improved revenue.

[FargoBison]

Might be the first time I have ever heard budget problems used a reason to move up. An FBS move up requires about $10 million added the yearly budget, unless you are a BCS school, you aren't going to be rolling in the dough.

I'm not a "move up" guy, but I disagree with this statement.

First off it definately doesn't cost $10 million extra a year to compete at the FBS level. If you add $10 million to our current athletic budget we would have a way bigger budget than any school currently in the WAC.

Second, I would bet money that just about every arguement to move up from any division is based on improved revenue.

Your budget at least according to the Office of Postsecondary Education is $13.74 million

Add 10 million and your probably looking at average in the WAC. I have heard people say it will increase their revenue but I have never heard the argument of going to the FBS to solve a budget problem.

If you are moving up your budget better be sound, because for the most part all your doing is taking on expenses. Unless you join a BCS conference, then you get to cash in!

[jd of de]

Might be the first time I have ever heard budget problems used a reason to move up. An FBS move up requires about $10 million added the yearly budget, unless you are a BCS school, you aren't going to be rolling in the dough.

I'm not a "move up" guy, but I disagree with this statement.

First off it definately doesn't cost $10 million extra a year to compete at the FBS level. If you add $10 million to our current athletic budget we would have a way bigger budget than any school currently in the WAC.

Second, I would bet money that just about every arguement to move up from any division is based on improved revenue.

Improved revenue and financial inducements. The big conferences could set off a domino effect that has the WAC, MWC and/or Big Sky looking for members and willing help Montana type programs move up. The list of possibilities is too long and many, but the next 2 years will see some major Big Conference expansions and how that falls out will affect how everything else looks.

[FargoBison]

WAC budgets....

Hawaii- $30.52 million
Utah St- 26.66
Fresno- 26.66
NMSU- 25.62
Nevada- 21.44
Boise- 20.49
SJSU- 17.00
Idaho- 15.06
La Tech- 13.90

You have to remember that everything goes up in cost, coaches and their assistants will have to be brought up to WAC standards. Especially if you want to compete at a high level. Montana will also have to add two sports, and I doubt these sports will be all that profitable. Going to the FBS is an expensive move, especially if you have want to be somebody at that level and not a pushover like Idaho usually is.

[BearIt]

WAC budgets....

Hawaii- $30.52 million
Utah St- 26.66
Fresno- 26.66
NMSU- 25.62
Nevada- 21.44
Boise- 20.49
SJSU- 17.00
Idaho- 15.06
La Tech- 13.90

You have to remember that everything goes up in cost, coaches and their assistants will have to be brought up to WAC standards. Especially if you want to compete at a high level. Montana will also have to add two sports, and I doubt these sports will be all that profitable. Going to the FBS is an expensive move, especially if you have want to be somebody at that level and not a pushover like Idaho usually is.

What is your source for those numbers?

Here are some numbers I found here: http://www2.indystar.com/NCAA_financial ... _stat/show. I don't know what year they compiled this.

HI: $19,878,946
USU: $10,965,546
Fresno: $26,691,142
NMSU: $12,856,716
Nevada: $18,677,243
Boise: $16,693,080
SJSU: $13,157,436
Idaho: $11,864,247
La Tech: $11,009,487

Montana: $15,340,537

[FargoBison]

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[nzncrzy]

Is the Kaimim the only source about these budget problems? I haven't read about it anywhere else. Sorry have never been to impressed with the accuracy of the Kaminin

[Montanan]

...You have to remember that everything goes up in cost, coaches and their assistants will have to be brought up to WAC standards.

well sh!t, we ought to be able to save some money right there.

[Stubbins]

If only the Griz could play against themselves, all their problems would go away.

I'm playing with myself right now. It is fairly satisfying.

You're doing something wrong if only fairly...

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I'm playing with myself right now. It is fairly satisfying.

You're doing something wrong if only fairly...

There were other people in the office so I was only 1/2 shafting it at that point.

[JALMOND]

So, if Montana has budget problems, how bad must it be at some of the other Big Sky schools? And what are their options for mitigating the problem?

Maybe UM should just install maroon turf. That's sure to increase revenue.

During our coaching search, it was brought up to our committee that only two Big Sky football programs turned a profit last year. It was not brought up as to the size of the profits, nor which two turned a profit. I assumed they were the two Montana schools. I may have been wrong.

[CatMom]

Have you thought about playing SoCal or Texas? I'm sure they are salivating to play you at their house and would be willing to pay you handsomely for it.

Not sure about Texas but USC does not play FCS schools!

UT plays FCS teams but you won't find anyone that makes the top 25 on a routine basis.

[grizzaholic]

I honestly don't get it. Must be some fuzzy math.

Yep. Now that they're starting to float this shit out of the AD's office it means that both sides will dig in their heels and it will happen sooner than some of us think it ought to based on the facts.

A major fund raising will start to happen in the next year to test the waters for moving up and if it's successful then on we go. If it isn't successful then they can fall back on the "we need the fanbase to pony up!" mantra and they will feel even more comfortable about raising prices and donation levels and so forth.

Love the Griz and have never missed a game in WaGriz but I gotta tell ya it is starting to look more attractive to watch them on the tube.

I am getting sick and tired of paying the ticket prices. And now rumors are abound about the U making more changes to the tailgating. Not sure what they are as of yet, but it seems as they are trying to push the alcohol giveaways from bars/restaurants/businesses at tailgates is what they are putting a clamp down on...again.....

[danefan]

WAC budgets....

Hawaii- $30.52 million
Utah St- 26.66
Fresno- 26.66
NMSU- 25.62
Nevada- 21.44
Boise- 20.49
SJSU- 17.00
Idaho- 15.06
La Tech- 13.90

You have to remember that everything goes up in cost, coaches and their assistants will have to be brought up to WAC standards. Especially if you want to compete at a high level. Montana will also have to add two sports, and I doubt these sports will be all that profitable. Going to the FBS is an expensive move, especially if you have want to be somebody at that level and not a pushover like Idaho usually is.

What is your source for those numbers?

Here are some numbers I found here: http://www2.indystar.com/NCAA_financial ... _stat/show. I don't know what year they compiled this.

HI: $19,878,946
USU: $10,965,546
Fresno: $26,691,142
NMSU: $12,856,716
Nevada: $18,677,243
Boise: $16,693,080
SJSU: $13,157,436
Idaho: $11,864,247
La Tech: $11,009,487

Montana: $15,340,537

The Indy Star link is a very old compilation of EADA reporting figures.

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/

This is the most up-to-date public information available. Good for expenses data, bad for revenue as there is no uniform way that revenue is reported. Does it include money paid to the Athletic Department by the University itself? Some schools include it and some don't.

Expenses are also somewhat suspect though as its not uniform as to wether specific facility expenses are allocated to the relevant inividual sports or not.

[JMUDuke2002]

I'm not sure about some of those numbers. It has JMU's athletic budget at 29 million when it is closer to 21 million. Granted, those numbers are for total athletic expenses so I assume 8 million could be coming in from elsewhere. I am just shocked at how low Montana's budget is compared to the CAA schools. Just goes to show how they have been able to do so much with less money.