Liberty in the CAA

[∞∞∞]

I can't find the official document highlighting Liberty's code, but will try to look for one not posted by some goofball who works for Rolling Stone or some Canadian hipster journal for impartiality's sake.

Is this what you're lookin' for?

http://www.liberty.edu/media/1210/Code% ... LATEST.pdf

[State Line Liquors]

I can't find the official document highlighting Liberty's code, but will try to look for one not posted by some goofball who works for Rolling Stone or some Canadian hipster journal for impartiality's sake.

Is this what you're lookin' for?

http://www.liberty.edu/media/1210/Code% ... LATEST.pdf

[ToTheLeft]

Oh, hey, look, another thread about Liberty that includes a link to the Liberty Way...

maybe I should just put it in my sig, for reference?

Anyways, glad we at least got some football discussion in before the "Liberty isn't a fit for the CAA" talk began. As long as LU brought in money to the conference, I don't really think it would matter that much to any conference without an extreme level of pride in the schools it admits (Patriot League, Ivy League, etc.). I mean, it would be taken into consideration, and might mean we'd need to bring in a notch more money than a private school with less polarizing political and religious views (High Point, for example).

[jd of de]

I can't find the official document highlighting Liberty's code, but will try to look for one not posted by some goofball who works for Rolling Stone or some Canadian hipster journal for impartiality's sake.

Is this what you're lookin' for?

http://www.liberty.edu/media/1210/Code% ... LATEST.pdf

Whats the obsession with "The Code"? It is a individual choice every student makes when enrolling at LU and it doesn't affect anyone but them. Now if you wish to force your code on me or are hypocritical with your code enforcement (ala Jim McMahon @ BYU) that's a different issue.

[EPJr]

But this thread is in response to one on our board where one of our board members said a friend of a friend of a friend who works with a friend that knows someone that works for the CAA said LU has been mentioned as possibly joining the CAA.

Don't take me wrong, I would LOVE for LU to join the CAA from an athletic perspective, but I don't see how our schools would choose to associate with Liberty's values. Conferences are more than just athletics (ex. Colonial Academic Alliance).

Hell no!
...not even from a sports prepective unless you are talking FB only

[State Line Liquors]

Oh, hey, look, another thread about Liberty that includes a link to the Liberty Way...

maybe I should just put it in my sig, for reference?

Anyways, glad we at least got some football discussion in before the "Liberty isn't a fit for the CAA" talk began. As long as LU brought in money to the conference, I don't really think it would matter that much to any conference without an extreme level of pride in the schools it admits (Patriot League, Ivy League, etc.). I mean, it would be taken into consideration, and might mean we'd need to bring in a notch more money than a private school with less polarizing political and religious views (High Point, for example).

Simple solution. If you don't like the responses you get, then don't ask the question. You were the OP, so you set the guidelines of the discussion. You asked where Liberty would finish, I responded and gave clarification for my opinion. Whether you agree with that opinion or not is your choice.

So for my own clarification, the CAA doesn't take pride in the schools it admits into the conference? I'm pretty sure the Big 10, the SEC, the Southern Conference, the MVFC and many others (including the CAA) take alot of pride in who they let participate in their conference.

[jcmanson]

Don't take me wrong, I would LOVE for LU to join the CAA from an athletic perspective, but I don't see how our schools would choose to associate with Liberty's values. Conferences are more than just athletics (ex. Colonial Academic Alliance).

Hell no!
...not even from a sports prepective unless you are talking FB only

What are you talking about? Do you know anything about our sports programs other than FB?

Our WBB team would compete for championships. Track & Field would be tops in the conference. Volleyball would compete. Baseball would compete for championships.

[jcmanson]

When looking to join other conferences we have 2 main hurdles to overcome - religious/political stance and academics. We have to make everything else that much more attractive in order to overcome these 2 hurdles.

[ToTheLeft]

Oh, hey, look, another thread about Liberty that includes a link to the Liberty Way...

maybe I should just put it in my sig, for reference?

Anyways, glad we at least got some football discussion in before the "Liberty isn't a fit for the CAA" talk began. As long as LU brought in money to the conference, I don't really think it would matter that much to any conference without an extreme level of pride in the schools it admits (Patriot League, Ivy League, etc.). I mean, it would be taken into consideration, and might mean we'd need to bring in a notch more money than a private school with less polarizing political and religious views (High Point, for example).

Simple solution. If you don't like the responses you get, then don't ask the question. You were the OP, so you set the guidelines of the discussion. You asked where Liberty would finish, I responded and gave clarification for my opinion. Whether you agree with that opinion or not is your choice.

So for my own clarification, the CAA doesn't take pride in the schools it admits into the conference? I'm pretty sure the Big 10, the SEC, the Southern Conference, the MVFC and many others (including the CAA) take alot of pride in who they let participate in their conference.

1. Pretty much any thread that involves Liberty gets to this point. Take, for example, jcmanson's tailgating thread, which had nothing to do with LU, eventually descending into a commentary on LU...

2. The question was how would Liberty perform in the CAA. Not would they fit, not would they be a match, just how would they perform. Football question. Hypothetical.

3. It's not that I don't "like" to see the discussion end up here, it's just a bit old and worn out. If every time UD was brought up in a conversation, someone pointed out some sex offender who graduated from there or some screw up by the admins that made a bunch of students lose credits or whatever else the case may be, you'd probably eventually comment on it, eh?

4. I'm not saying they don't "take pride" in who they take in, but honestly it's not like taking in LU is going to be some big black mark. The Pac-10 is pretty prestigious, with schools like Standford and uCal, but who did they just add? Colorado. A school with more problems than they can count, and plenty of scandal in it's history. It's not like every single day Liberty is out there making a bad name for itself, it's not like LU would be the worst possible choice for a team to add to a conference.

I would expect that if it came down to LU vs. a similar team with no polarizing religious affiliation, the CAA would take the latter. But if we were the best option in terms of money and level of competition, I really believe they'd strongly consider bringing us on. You've got a couple natural potential rivalries (W n M, JMU), it's within the footprint, we have a big fanbase, a big budget...

[ToTheLeft]

Also, ESPN has had no problem associating with us, putting multiple LU games on the family of networks, not including the ones they HAVE to put on there (conference championship basketball games). I think if it came down to it, and our team was enough of a draw for the CAA to look past the couple of negative points they could see with the other aspects of the school, Liberty could be in the CAA.

Of course, with all the realignment stuff about to happen, who knows where things will wind up. That's why this is hypothetical. I strongly believe that the CAA is going to be full again and not in need of another member by the time LU is ready to go anywhere, and that it's likely our next move would be straight to FBS (this won't be anytime soon...) to a division like C-USA, or some new conference spawned from teams moving up and existing teams from conferences that have split thanks to realignment.

[State Line Liquors]

1. Pretty much any thread that involves Liberty gets to this point. Take, for example, jcmanson's tailgating thread, which had nothing to do with LU, eventually descending into a commentary on LU...

2. The question was how would Liberty perform in the CAA. Not would they fit, not would they be a match, just how would they perform. Football question. Hypothetical.

3. It's not that I don't "like" to see the discussion end up here, it's just a bit old and worn out. If every time UD was brought up in a conversation, someone pointed out some sex offender who graduated from there or some screw up by the admins that made a bunch of students lose credits or whatever else the case may be, you'd probably eventually comment on it, eh?

4. I'm not saying they don't "take pride" in who they take in, but honestly it's not like taking in LU is going to be some big black mark. The Pac-10 is pretty prestigious, with schools like Standford and uCal, but who did they just add? Colorado. A school with more problems than they can count, and plenty of scandal in it's history. It's not like every single day Liberty is out there making a bad name for itself, it's not like LU would be the worst possible choice for a team to add to a conference. I do genuinely and respectfully feel that you folks aren't really there just yet.

I would expect that if it came down to LU vs. a similar team with no polarizing religious affiliation, the CAA would take the latter. But if we were the best option in terms of money and level of competition, I really believe they'd strongly consider bringing us on. You've got a couple natural potential rivalries (W n M, JMU), it's within the footprint, we have a big fanbase, a big budget...

In order:

1) I didn't even open the tailgating thread, so I can't speak to that topic. Some topics catch my eye, some don't.
2) The conversation, as expected, veered towards 'Of course Liberty would like to join the CAA'. Thus my comments about the 'fit'.
3) The Liberty code of conduct or Way or whatever you want to call it, is somehow comparable to someone discussing sex offender graduates or administrative screw ups of other schools? I was under the impression that The Way was something LU took pride in.
4) The football conference does have other private institutions and Nova even has a religious affiliation. From an academic standpoint, it would be nice to see Liberty get that house in order a good deal. Maybe that will come in time. Remember, that it's not just athletic departments that have to approve athletic conference affiliations...boards of trustees and other stakeholders in the academic prowess of the U's have to approve these things too.

From the standpoint of Colorado joining the PAC 10, they fall right in line with many of the other land grant institutions Wazzoo and State, Zona and Zona State, Utah set to join, etc.

But this thread is about how LU would perform in the CAA, so let's get somewhat back to topic.

[ToTheLeft]

I was exaggerating with the sex offender comment. And the school may take pride in all the minute details of the Way, but that doesn't mean I do, so sometimes it's tough to see it from their perspective.

Like I said, I don't think this will be an issue. And I agree that the academics could use some cleaning up, which I don't think would be as difficult as it seems, really would just need to weed out who we admit a bit more.

[89Hen]

Anyways, glad we at least got some football discussion in before the "Liberty isn't a fit for the CAA" talk began.

Considering how some threads go from talking about football to talking about fishing or religion, this one going from how Liberty would perform in the CAA to how Liberty would fit in the CAA really isn't much of a leap IMHO.

[jcmanson]

I didn't realize we were supposed to take pride in the Liberty Way. Doesn't every school have some sort of code of conduct? That's all this is. Do all schools take pride in their code of conduct? I don't think so.

As for the academics, we will always have low acceptance standards that's what Dr. Falwell wanted. He thought everyone should have the opportunity to have a Christian education. That doesn't mean we let every one graduate though.

[clenz]

1. Pretty much any thread that involves Liberty gets to this point. Take, for example, jcmanson's tailgating thread, which had nothing to do with LU, eventually descending into a commentary on LU...

2. The question was how would Liberty perform in the CAA. Not would they fit, not would they be a match, just how would they perform. Football question. Hypothetical.

3. It's not that I don't "like" to see the discussion end up here, it's just a bit old and worn out. If every time UD was brought up in a conversation, someone pointed out some sex offender who graduated from there or some screw up by the admins that made a bunch of students lose credits or whatever else the case may be, you'd probably eventually comment on it, eh?

4. I'm not saying they don't "take pride" in who they take in, but honestly it's not like taking in LU is going to be some big black mark. The Pac-10 is pretty prestigious, with schools like Standford and uCal, but who did they just add? Colorado. A school with more problems than they can count, and plenty of scandal in it's history. It's not like every single day Liberty is out there making a bad name for itself, it's not like LU would be the worst possible choice for a team to add to a conference.

I would expect that if it came down to LU vs. a similar team with no polarizing religious affiliation, the CAA would take the latter. But if we were the best option in terms of money and level of competition, I really believe they'd strongly consider bringing us on. You've got a couple natural potential rivalries (W n M, JMU), it's within the footprint, we have a big fanbase, a big budget...

1. name one thread that doesn't get derailed. It isn't just Liberty. Montana threads become you can't beat the CAA/WaGriz, UD threads become you can't recruit anyone but transfers, UNI threads turn into you play in a dome and wear purple and have yet to win a title, NDSU threads become you suck this isn't D2, EWU threads become your turf fucking sucks, etc... this isn't just a Liberty thing. The way Liberty fans react helps snowball the hijacking.

2. The CAA isn't just football. If you are talking how would they finish if they were a football only member this coming year? Above URI and Towson...that's about as good as you would get. However, since the CAA isn't just football these things aren't mutually exclusive. If the CAA was a football only conference, like the MVFC, I could buy into your argument a little more

3. Again see #1...oh and add the "Iowa" thing...you think the code of conduct thing gets old, that only comes up in Liberty threads. The IOWA thing comes up in almost every thread....THAT gets old, which is why I don't reply to it anymore. Once I see a thread going that way I stop reading that thread because I know it is going to become complete bullshit in my opinion, take the same approach if you don't like it.

4. I'm with you on that one actually.

[ToTheLeft]

1. That's true. It's just frustrating that something most of us don't agree with and has nothing to do with football is the go-to, but I guess I'll have to get used to it. And I was being somehwat genuine when I said "we at least got some football discussion in", because it took a while for someone to bring up LU's fit in the CAA.

4. Yay!

[93henfan]

3. Again see #1...oh and add the "Iowa" thing...you think the code of conduct thing gets old, that only comes up in Liberty threads. The IOWA thing comes up in almost every thread....THAT gets old, which is why I don't reply to it anymore. Once I see a thread going that way I stop reading that thread because I know it is going to become complete bullshit in my opinion, take the same approach if you don't like it.

Iowa!

It's on vacation, just east of the Bahamas!!!

[tampajag]

3. Again see #1...oh and add the "Iowa" thing...you think the code of conduct thing gets old, that only comes up in Liberty threads. The IOWA thing comes up in almost every thread....THAT gets old, which is why I don't reply to it anymore. Once I see a thread going that way I stop reading that thread because I know it is going to become complete bullshit in my opinion, take the same approach if you don't like it.

Iowa!

It's on vacation, just east of the Bahamas!!!

beat me to it

[ccd494]

Were it for a football only membership, you would want to remember that the four (currently, URI pending) Northeast publics would have full votes as full members of the CAA Football Conference. I can't see the student bodies at UMaine, UNH, UMass or URI being too happy about being associated with Liberty, regardless of the school's athletic reputation.

Of course, those four leaving in a huff may be a plus for admission in the eyes of the southern schools...

[Sly Fox]

Wow, a Maine fan with whom I can agree wholeheartedly.



I am curious as to why there seems to be a belief among many that Liberty couldn't compete in sports outside of football. Sure, our mens hoops team has been subpar for much of the past decade (albeit stability seems to have finally arrived). But we would be far from dead weight in most other sports.