Montana staying in FCS

[clenz]

Something that goes past football.....


Wouldn't Montana have to add 2 more womens sports?

Clenz, don't throw the economics like adding two more scholarship sports for women to your athletic budget into the mix. That's when the pro-FBS crowd gets real mad because that shoots their ideas all to hell.....

:sorry:


I have noticed that my post has been skipped over by the pro-FBS crowd.


It isn't simply a football move. There are a ton of other things that have to be thought about.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

It has nothing to do with guts fucko. It has everything to do with barrier to entry. As I said if the teams in the division were given a fair shake to see how far they could go in that system then I'd be all for it. They don't. You consider yourself a real brave man for wanting to step into the glass ceiling world so you can whine about not getting the respect then good for you.

Nothing is more gutless than taking yourself into a system where you have ready made excuses of why you didn't achieve what you profess to be able to achieve.

So, because you can NEVER be equated to USC or Texas you'd rather be equated to SUU and Portland State?

Again, you're going back to the same stupid shit you used last time and I beat your ass with this silly argument once already so if you need to refresh yourself on it go look it up.

If you want a rematch AZ then work on your game, don't come back with same punch combos cuz there is no need for the rematch in that case.

[AZGrizFan]

So, because you can NEVER be equated to USC or Texas you'd rather be equated to SUU and Portland State?

Again, you're going back to the same stupid shit you used last time and I beat your ass with this silly argument once already so if you need to refresh yourself on it go look it up.

If you want a rematch AZ then work on your game, don't come back with same punch combos cuz there is no need for the rematch in that case.

Refresh my memory. I'm not that hung up on a playoff system. You are. BFD. I'd rather see Montana step up, not continue to be a big fish in a pond that's drying up.

[Silenoz]

Look you have some good reasons. I can see what you're getting at but how long was it before it a team that is established like Wyoming got Texas to come there? It's possible but in that scenario we ain't gonna have that a whole lot if ever.

FBS is/has changed. Those types of games are becoming much more common than in the past

Now the odd thing is that you say new challenges as far as being the underdog and achieving and having a better recruit base for NFL type players. Don't we have that underdog thing now...to an even higher degree?

Not really. In the last ten years, the only times I can recall us being an underdog to an FCS team were JMU in the semis, and MAYBE McNeese in 2002.

If we have the same # of scholorships, and basically all the same advantages with any other team in FBS then how is it gonna be cooler to see guys in the NFL? Right now you look at the guys in there from the Griz and you can say "he played at a school that gave him less of a chance and he is still succeeding."

Because we'll have more guys. I feel safe in calling our very high number of players from the 07-09 teams that made a pros a lucky anomaly/perfect storm of high in-state talent and solid player development. As an FBS team, having this many guys making an impact would be the norm, not the exception. And I don't care about perception, and whether people think they played at a lesser school. I just want to see them play at the next level.

[clenz]

I forgot about the extra 22 football schollies to be funded.



So you have to add non-revenue women's sports, and enough scholarships to cover another 1/3 of what you do now.

I don't know Montana's financial situation, but that isn't something that is easy to over look just because "WE WENT TO PLAY WITH THE BIG BOYS"

[AZGrizFan]

What does my alma mater have to do with the price of rice in China?

It's the kind of excitement you could get with a similar team moving to a similar conference.

That's the kind of new and exciting shit you were looking forward to for the Griz right?

BCS conferences are the Big Leagues.
MWC is AAA
WAC is AA
FCS is A ball
Big Sky Conference is Short Season Rookie League.

Great. We can root for becoming kings of "A" ball after we dominate Short Season Rookie League year after year after year.

[AZGrizFan]

I forgot about the extra 22 football schollies to be funded.



So you have to add non-revenue women's sports, and enough scholarships to cover another 1/3 of what you do now.

I don't know Montana's financial situation, but that isn't something that is easy to over look just because "WE WENT TO PLAY WITH THE BIG BOYS"

Hey, numbnuts: Montana has to add the two sports already, move-up or not.

[clenz]

I forgot about the extra 22 football schollies to be funded.



So you have to add non-revenue women's sports, and enough scholarships to cover another 1/3 of what you do now.

I don't know Montana's financial situation, but that isn't something that is easy to over look just because "WE WENT TO PLAY WITH THE BIG BOYS"

Hey, numbnuts: Montana has to add the two sports already, move-up or not.

couple that with 22 more scholarships, probably based off of out of state tuition.

[dbackjon]

I forgot about the extra 22 football schollies to be funded.



So you have to add non-revenue women's sports, and enough scholarships to cover another 1/3 of what you do now.

I don't know Montana's financial situation, but that isn't something that is easy to over look just because "WE WENT TO PLAY WITH THE BIG BOYS"

Hey, numbnuts: Montana has to add the two sports already, move-up or not.

And with a move up, you would have to add more, numbernuts.

[lakesbison]

Montana = Pussies.

they keep their fluffy schedule of patsies and EVEN ADDS ONE with UND for a guarantee win in every sport.

stay classy montana, you have your EQUAL, your PEER coming to join you.


losers.

[Appaholic]

It's the kind of excitement you could get with a similar team moving to a similar conference.

That's the kind of new and exciting shit you were looking forward to for the Griz right?

BCS conferences are the Big Leagues.
MWC is AAA
WAC is AA
FCS is A ball
Big Sky Conference is Short Season Rookie League.

Great. We can root for becoming kings of "A" ball after we dominate Short Season Rookie League year after year after year.

Funny you should use a baseball analogy seeing how bowl games have as much excitement & drama as baseball....or the Oscars....or watching paint dry....

[Appaholic]

Hey, numbnuts: Montana has to add the two sports already, move-up or not.

couple that with 22 more scholarships, probably based off of out of state tuition.

don't forget the increased travel budget....for ALL sports as well as less home game revenue....

[Appaholic]

Montana = Pussies.

they keep their fluffy schedule of patsies and EVEN ADDS ONE with UND for a guarantee win in every sport.

stay classy montana, you have your EQUAL, your PEER coming to join you.


losers.

...sez the girl left at home on prom nite....

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Again, you're going back to the same stupid shit you used last time and I beat your ass with this silly argument once already so if you need to refresh yourself on it go look it up.

If you want a rematch AZ then work on your game, don't come back with same punch combos cuz there is no need for the rematch in that case.

Refresh my memory. I'm not that hung up on a playoff system. You are. BFD. I'd rather see Montana step up, not continue to be a big fish in a pond that's drying up.

Refresh your own memory.

[clenz]

Tough choice here.....


Be the king of a country, even it is small

OR

Be the court juster....not even the court jester....the court jester's bitch.


I know what I'd pick

[Silenoz]

Montana = Pussies.

they keep their fluffy schedule of patsies and EVEN ADDS ONE with UND for a guarantee win in every sport.

stay classy montana, you have your EQUAL, your PEER coming to join you.


losers.

2003 North Dakota 28 NDSU 21
2002 North Dakota 12 NDSU 6
2001 North Dakota 19 NDSU 7
2000 North Dakota 13 NDSU 16
1999 North Dakota 13 NDSU 10
1998 North Dakota 39 NDSU 25
1997 North Dakota 10 NDSU 31
1996 North Dakota 33 NDSU 19
1995 North Dakota 21 NDSU 7
1995 North Dakota 10 NDSU 41
1994 North Dakota 34 NDSU 13
1993 North Dakota 14 NDSU 7
1992 North Dakota 22 NDSU 21

Looks like it wasn't a guaranteed win for some teams...

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Look you have some good reasons. I can see what you're getting at but how long was it before it a team that is established like Wyoming got Texas to come there? It's possible but in that scenario we ain't gonna have that a whole lot if ever.

FBS is/has changed. Those types of games are becoming much more common than in the past

Now the odd thing is that you say new challenges as far as being the underdog and achieving and having a better recruit base for NFL type players. Don't we have that underdog thing now...to an even higher degree?

Not really. In the last ten years, the only times I can recall us being an underdog to an FCS team were JMU in the semis, and MAYBE McNeese in 2002.

If we have the same # of scholorships, and basically all the same advantages with any other team in FBS then how is it gonna be cooler to see guys in the NFL? Right now you look at the guys in there from the Griz and you can say "he played at a school that gave him less of a chance and he is still succeeding."

Because we'll have more guys. I feel safe in calling our very high number of players from the 07-09 teams that made a pros a lucky anomaly/perfect storm of high in-state talent and solid player development. As an FBS team, having this many guys making an impact would be the norm, not the exception. And I don't care about perception, and whether people think they played at a lesser school. I just want to see them play at the next level.

You hold FBS up as something that I just don't see it as Sil. I ain't gonna see it your way because it just doesn't impress me to the extent that it does you guys.

[clenz]

Montana = Pussies.

they keep their fluffy schedule of patsies and EVEN ADDS ONE with UND for a guarantee win in every sport.

stay classy montana, you have your EQUAL, your PEER coming to join you.


losers.

2003 North Dakota 28 NDSU 21
2002 North Dakota 12 NDSU 6
2001 North Dakota 19 NDSU 7
2000 North Dakota 13 NDSU 16
1999 North Dakota 13 NDSU 10
1998 North Dakota 39 NDSU 25
1997 North Dakota 10 NDSU 31
1996 North Dakota 33 NDSU 19
1995 North Dakota 21 NDSU 7
1995 North Dakota 10 NDSU 41
1994 North Dakota 34 NDSU 13
1993 North Dakota 14 NDSU 7
1992 North Dakota 22 NDSU 21

Looks like it wasn't a guaranteed win for some teams...

BUT BUT BUT BUT


D2 NATIONAL TITLES INT HE 80'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kalm]

It's the kind of excitement you could get with a similar team moving to a similar conference.

That's the kind of new and exciting **** you were looking forward to for the Griz right?

BCS conferences are the Big Leagues.
MWC is AAA
WAC is AA
FCS is A ball
Big Sky Conference is Short Season Rookie League.

Great. We can root for becoming kings of "A" ball after we dominate Short Season Rookie League year after year after year.

Shut your mouth and win your last two so you quit dragging the short season rookie league down.

[Thumper 76]

Got it, you got your ass kicked. Then decided after taking a beating that the side you were actually on in the first place was the wrong side of the debate so you looked into it all more closely and changed your mind.

Who the fuck do you think you're kidding here?

BTW, of course you were waiting for it. You have a keen eye for seeing when your full of shit like the rest of us do.

No, I decided I'd rather see us playing Utah State, Idaho, Wyoming, Washington State, Boise State, Colorado State, BYU, Utah, etc., than NAU, ISU, PSU, EWU, WSU, UND, etc.

Hmmmmmm lets take a gander at this one for a minute. You want to go FBS because is the national stage and the "big time" but your list of teams you want to play is this one?
Utah State-No One Cares
Idaho-No One Cares
Washington State-No One Cares
Colorado State-No One Cares
The rest of the WAC-No One Cares

There are only three teams on that list that matter nationally at all, and they wouldn't schedule your asses if you moved up or not due to the fact that they already have to fight the weak schedules that they already have. What your saying is you want to be like a Pioneer or Ivy League school? I mean, you would be playing in the higher division, like they do at FCS, its higher than DII, but you really don't matter to anyone when it comes down to it. You don't compete for what matters, your just a number that fills out the rest of the division.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

"I'm not that hung up on a playoff system".

Right, that system that determines a champion is that important. It's so unimportant that every other form of sports has one. It is so unimportant that every time a team you support is in a playoff you just sit back and don't give a shit. You don't even care if your teams make the playoffs.

Got it SuperDoormat.

[∞∞∞]

Great to hear!!!

And lol at bison person. Isn't Montana heading to Appy sometime soon? And they're also heading to ODU as a part of a h/h in a few years.

[kalm]

Look you have some good reasons. I can see what you're getting at but how long was it before it a team that is established like Wyoming got Texas to come there? It's possible but in that scenario we ain't gonna have that a whole lot if ever.

FBS is/has changed. Those types of games are becoming much more common than in the past

Now the odd thing is that you say new challenges as far as being the underdog and achieving and having a better recruit base for NFL type players. Don't we have that underdog thing now...to an even higher degree?

Not really. In the last ten years, the only times I can recall us being an underdog to an FCS team were JMU in the semis, and MAYBE McNeese in 2002.

If we have the same # of scholorships, and basically all the same advantages with any other team in FBS then how is it gonna be cooler to see guys in the NFL? Right now you look at the guys in there from the Griz and you can say "he played at a school that gave him less of a chance and he is still succeeding."

Because we'll have more guys. I feel safe in calling our very high number of players from the 07-09 teams that made a pros a lucky anomaly/perfect storm of high in-state talent and solid player development. As an FBS team, having this many guys making an impact would be the norm, not the exception. And I don't care about perception, and whether people think they played at a lesser school. I just want to see them play at the next level.

How many NFL players does Boise, Wyoming, Idaho have compared to Montana?

[AZGrizFan]

BCS conferences are the Big Leagues.
MWC is AAA
WAC is AA
FCS is A ball
Big Sky Conference is Short Season Rookie League.

Great. We can root for becoming kings of "A" ball after we dominate Short Season Rookie League year after year after year.

Funny you should use a baseball analogy seeing how bowl games have as much excitement & drama as baseball....or the Oscars....or watching paint dry....

And about as many people care about baseball as FCS football. Good point.

[Appaholic]

Montana = Pussies.

they keep their fluffy schedule of patsies and EVEN ADDS ONE with UND for a guarantee win in every sport.

stay classy montana, you have your EQUAL, your PEER coming to join you.


losers.

2003 North Dakota 28 NDSU 21
2002 North Dakota 12 NDSU 6
2001 North Dakota 19 NDSU 7
2000 North Dakota 13 NDSU 16
1999 North Dakota 13 NDSU 10
1998 North Dakota 39 NDSU 25
1997 North Dakota 10 NDSU 31
1996 North Dakota 33 NDSU 19
1995 North Dakota 21 NDSU 7
1995 North Dakota 10 NDSU 41
1994 North Dakota 34 NDSU 13
1993 North Dakota 14 NDSU 7
1992 North Dakota 22 NDSU 21

Looks like it wasn't a guaranteed win for some teams...

He was half right with respect to a "peer"...looks like NDSU football had success as frequently with North Dakota as one would expect they'd be sucessful with Montana football....about as frequent as El Nino....