University of Nebraska Omaha (UNO)

[clenz]

If you thinking a kid will go to UNO over Nebraska you are delusional.

It's the same situation at UNI and Iowa. Those kids grow up Husker fans. Their dream is to wear the Noledge helmet and that red jersey. 99% of them would gladly take the walk on limited play role over the shot at UNO.

Depends on the kid and where he grew up. If he grew up in Omaha but wants to stay home, I could EASILY see him staying there. If he grew up in Lincoln and is desperate to escape (but not get too far), Omaha could be a valid option. This is especially true if the kid has realistic advisors and knows that he won't get a fair shake in Lincoln. For some, starting (and starring) is more important than the level that it happens on.

Major may enter the equation as well. If an athlete wants a career in something supported by Omaha but not Lincoln, that could tip the choice.

No, it doesn't depend. 99 times out of 100 the kid will pick Nebraska over UNO....the same thing happens every year with UNI and Iowa. There will be one case where a kid picks UNO over UNL every other year or so, but it won't happen often.

If a kid picks UNO over UNL it is because UNL didn't give them a preferred walk-on and told them they were full in that position and going to UNL and trying to walk on would be a giant waste of time....even then the kid may still try to walk on.

You grew up and have lived in areas where the are tons of school to pick from. Growing up in Iowa in Iowa and Nebraska there are only 2 schools that get any play - Iowa and Nebraska...yeah ISU gets very very little run in Iowa. From birth kids are taught that Iowa/Nebraska are the only thing that matters, and if you go elsewhere you fail the family.


The fanbases of Iowa and Nebraska are like those of the Red Sox honestly in that 99.99999999999% of them would give their first and last born children to be a part of the team. Around here the Hawks and the Huskers ARE the pro-teams

[collegesportsinfo]

Two things:

1) UND is in the Big Sky, and unless it was a mistake and they are willing to reverse a Kelly decision they are out. Travel partner for UNO is USD. The Mighty Land Grants remain united.

2) There is no evidence to show the Nb. State Legestlature is going to discourage growth at UNO. If there is I would like to see it. Thats why its a moot point.

It's a bit binary to look at it that way. UND had 2 options: remain as a football independent and join the Summit League OR join the Big Sky. The Big Sky being a fine and reputable conference, the decision was easy. But UND only had those TWO options. USD though, was offered a THIRD option: join the Summit League but also join the MVFC for football.

But if UND was offered that same third option now, and it would also include nearby UNO being in the mix for all-sports, it's a far more attractive option than the rest.

It's hardly worth looking at it like acknowledging a mistake when it's not a mistake when you were never given the option to begin with. TCU is joining the Big East, leaving the MWC. But if the Big 12 called tonight, TCU would leave the Big East. Would that be TCU claiming the made a mistake? No. It would simply be TCU taking advantage of a new option they didn't have before: the Big 12 would be a stronger conference, less travel required due to geographical proximity of the conference membership, and a better TV deal. While one can say that the Big Sky vs MVFC is a "push" regarding who is better, the Summit/MVFC scenario is clearly better for UND's bottomline when you factor in the travel savings (having 3 Dakota schools, UNO, etc, nearby)...and potential revenue in the process.

[SloStang]

Lakes may be done with the FCS, but the Bison are here to stay. Sorry to disappoint everyone.

No disappointment here. Glad to see the Bison stay, not so excited about Lakes staying.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

I heard another rumor that the UNO AD was there representing Omaha as a city that would put in the bid for the Summit League Tourney

this actually makes more sense to me. Omaha is good city for the tournament: easy interstate access (at the crossroads for I-29 and I-80) easier to get to by air than Sioux Falls anyway. A better arena (Qwest Arena), and about several hundred thousand locals who might be persuaded to check it out.

[JBB]

I heard another rumor that the UNO AD was there representing Omaha as a city that would put in the bid for the Summit League Tourney

Thanks for the tip Lakes. That makes sense too.

Don't let the hotshots discourage you, they have put themselves on some kind of pedestal and for the most part are unable to make a post without some kind of disparaging remark about those they disagree with. Its a strange phenomena that most of us gave up in grade school. For what its worth its a classic liberal trait.

[JBB]

Some of what Quinn has added is incorrect but generally speaking he is correct. The BSC makes little sense for UND unless its the only option they had.

UND never received an invitation to the Summit. They were told there would be no interest in them until they were in compliance with the NCAA on the nickname. That put Douple on their already long hate list. There has been an unpleasant war of words between the UND Admin and The Summit and Tom Douple in the past month or so. You see they hate everyone that sides with the NCAA.

They have now "phonied up" a straw man in their fight. They can pretend they are trying to comply but the darn state of North Dakota is interfering. If the bill passes I have my doubts they will even be accepted for NCAA membership.

The way they have been crowing about the BSC I doubt they would change. It would definitely be a loss of face at this point. They were skillfully used by the Summit and the MVFC to get USD. The MVFC had no interest in them. Both conferences are also aware UND is always available in the future like a cheap date.

[Fresno St. Alum]

Some of what Quinn has added is incorrect but generally speaking he is correct. The BSC makes little sense for UND unless its the only option they had.

UND never received an invitation to the Summit. They were told there would be no interest in them until they were in compliance with the NCAA on the nickname. That put Douple on their already long hate list. There has been an unpleasant war of words between the UND Admin and The Summit and Tom Douple in the past month or so. You see they hate everyone that sides with the NCAA.

They have now "phonied up" a straw man in their fight. They can pretend they are trying to comply but the darn state of North Dakota is interfering. If the bill passes I have my doubts they will even be accepted for NCAA membership.

The way they have been crowing about the BSC I doubt they would change. It would definitely be a loss of face at this point. They were skillfully used by the Summit and the MVFC to get USD. The MVFC had no interest in them. Both conferences are also aware UND is always available in the future like a cheap date.

I love your hate for UND. Even if they didn't comply the most the NCAA said they would do is not allow UND to host post season events. They wouldn't be able to schedule a couple of Big 10 teams who refuse to play schools with that nickname problem. Bradley, Alcorn St. have the nickname problem, they aren't getting kicked out of the NCAA. I believe the NCAA ok'd C.Michigan.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

Some of what Quinn has added is incorrect but generally speaking he is correct. The BSC makes little sense for UND unless its the only option they had.

UND never received an invitation to the Summit. They were told there would be no interest in them until they were in compliance with the NCAA on the nickname. That put Douple on their already long hate list. There has been an unpleasant war of words between the UND Admin and The Summit and Tom Douple in the past month or so. You see they hate everyone that sides with the NCAA.

They have now "phonied up" a straw man in their fight. They can pretend they are trying to comply but the darn state of North Dakota is interfering. If the bill passes I have my doubts they will even be accepted for NCAA membership.

The way they have been crowing about the BSC I doubt they would change. It would definitely be a loss of face at this point. They were skillfully used by the Summit and the MVFC to get USD. The MVFC had no interest in them. Both conferences are also aware UND is always available in the future like a cheap date.

I love your hate for UND. Even if they didn't comply the most the NCAA said they would do is not allow UND to host post season events. They wouldn't be able to schedule a couple of Big 10 teams who refuse to play schools with that nickname problem. Bradley, Alcorn St. have the nickname problem, they aren't getting kicked out of the NCAA. I believe the NCAA ok'd C.Michigan.

CMU, Florida St, Utah and Illinois have approval for their nicknames from the NCAA

[Thundering Herd]

I heard another rumor that the UNO AD was there representing Omaha as a city that would put in the bid for the Summit League Tourney

this actually makes more sense to me. Omaha is good city for the tournament: easy interstate access (at the crossroads for I-29 and I-80) easier to get to by air than Sioux Falls anyway. A better arena (Qwest Arena), and about several hundred thousand locals who might be persuaded to check it out.

UNO would fit right in geography wise for both conferences. Also I think they would be very competitive for the leagues. Does anyone know if they are actually considering this? Or is it just spectulation?

[Fresno St. Alum]

I love your hate for UND. Even if they didn't comply the most the NCAA said they would do is not allow UND to host post season events. They wouldn't be able to schedule a couple of Big 10 teams who refuse to play schools with that nickname problem. Bradley, Alcorn St. have the nickname problem, they aren't getting kicked out of the NCAA. I believe the NCAA ok'd C.Michigan.

CMU, Florida St, Utah and Illinois have approval for their nicknames from the NCAA

Well Illini aren't Indians just a term for Illinoians, ites. Illinois just had to get rid of the mascot. Bradley Braves and Alcorn St. Braves don't have approval but did get rid of all logos having to do with Indians. The point to JBB is that the NCAA has no such law to kick anyone out of the NCAA for having an Indian name, but does prohibit them from hosting a post season game.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

this actually makes more sense to me. Omaha is good city for the tournament: easy interstate access (at the crossroads for I-29 and I-80) easier to get to by air than Sioux Falls anyway. A better arena (Qwest Arena), and about several hundred thousand locals who might be persuaded to check it out.

UNO would fit right in geography wise for both conferences. Also I think they would be very competitive for the leagues. Does anyone know if they are actually considering this? Or is it just spectulation?

speculation.

from, of all people Jeff Kolpack at the Fargo Forum - who last time he scooped anyone he was cone boy at baskin robbins

his "sources" include the doofus next to him at the Summit League Tourney where he's likely bored out of his mind because it's Sioux Falls, and has very little else to write about.

[JBB]

I love your hate for UND. Even if they didn't comply the most the NCAA said they would do is not allow UND to host post season events. They wouldn't be able to schedule a couple of Big 10 teams who refuse to play schools with that nickname problem. Bradley, Alcorn St. have the nickname problem, they aren't getting kicked out of the NCAA. I believe the NCAA ok'd C.Michigan.

You are correct about the hosting but seem to lack understanding about the NCAA D1 admission process. You do have it correct about the Big 10 teams and that is a clue.

UND is not a D1 NCAA member. They are a D2 member in transition to D1. If they complete the transition successfully a vote is taken to finalize their admission. There is no guarantee they will be voted in.

The possibility exists that the NCAA would turn them down as a belligerent. If that happened they would remain a D2 NCAA member subject to the sanctions of the non-compliant nickname.

It was pressure from other member institutions that finally forced UNDs hand to begin with. They were getting nowhere with their conference search and were having serious scheduling problems because of their unwillingness to toe-the-line.

The Big Sky is also expressing reservations about the situation. Fullerton issued a statement the other day that the BSC Presidents were very concerned about the Bill in North Dakota that would require UND to use the nickname. They want no part of the ugly situation, one they thought was behind them when the invitation was accepted.

[JBB]

Lakes may be closer to the truth than Kolpack. It wouldnt be the first time Lakes has had the scoop. On the other hand UNO has been making a lot of noise over the past couple years about moving up. Their AD has spoken openly about his ambitions to move the entire athletic department up to D1.

Right now they are playing Hockey out of class. That means they do not share in any D1 money for hockey. They can get trophies though. This was what drove a very reluctant UND to make the move after they had told the NCC and everyone else they were solidly committed to the league and D2.

[JBB]

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[Catattack]

The Big Sky Conference is watching the Legislature’s proceedings. The league’s concern is growing.

“From our standpoint, it’s disappointing that this is coming up again,” said Big Sky Conference commissioner Doug Fullerton. “The league feels strongly that the bill could be damaging to (UND’s) athletic program.

UND’s membership in the Big Sky, however, currently is not affected by what’s happening in the Legislature, Fullerton said.

“UND remains an attractive member,” Fullerton said.

However, he added a prolonged battle over the nickname won’t help UND when it joins the league. And that also means that the Big Sky could suffer collateral damage because of the controversy.

“As an outsider, it’s very difficult for me to understand why legislators would do this to an athletic program within their own state,” Fullerton said.

If UND continues to use the nickname and logo, the school will not be allowed to host postseason competition when it becomes playoff eligible in 2012.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/a ... id/195802/

[Fresno St. Alum]

JBB, you said kicked out of the NCAA. D-II is still the NCAA, anyway you're dreaming if you think they won't be allowed in D-I. They'd sue the NCAA and win since they could use Alcorn St. and Bradley as examples.

[JBB]

Sorry my friend:

If the bill passes I have my doubts they will even be accepted for NCAA membership.

D2 is in the NCAA but its separate from D1. UND has applied to be admitted into the NCAA D1 from the NCAA D2. Thats what the transition is all about. They want to see if a school is good enough to join the more prestigious division.

Because the situation has already been litigated by UND there will be no more law suits. The State has threatened to challenge the anti trust exemption the NCAA has if there are any repercussions over the law but that is a stretch too.

[Fresno St. Alum]

Sorry my friend:

If the bill passes I have my doubts they will even be accepted for NCAA membership.

D2 is in the NCAA but its separate from D1. UND has applied to be admitted into the NCAA D1 from the NCAA D2. Thats what the transition is all about. They want to see if a school is good enough to join the more prestigious division.

Because the situation has already been litigated by UND there will be no more law suits. The State has threatened to challenge the anti trust exemption the NCAA has if there are any repercussions over the law but that is a stretch too.

I bet you the ability to post on this board that UND will be D-I w/ or w/o a name change. The NCAA is still 1 governing body. The Indian name thing applies to all 3 Divisions. Quit with your UND hate, there is no need to hate on them since NDSU is better than UND. The prestigious division that houses NJIT and Savannah St.

[JBB]

You seem impetuous?*

Im not sure how things will turn out. Like I said "I have my doubts". One thing is clear the divisions are all under the umbrella of the NCAA but they are autonomous in governing their own affairs.

UND has to complete their transition successfully before they can be voted on for admittance to D1 membership. Being at odds with a major directive and the millions of NCAA money they have wasted by insisting on their own rules is a thorn in the side for a lot of institutions and the front office.

The Summit issued an unbinding no schedule directive to their members and several other major institutions will not return phone calls. The Big Sky may ask them to leave if the unfortunate situation is prolonged. The NCAA is in charge. I doubt they are going to change the rules for UND and I also have great faith in human nature. There will be repercussions and the biggest stick the NCAA has is to deny admission into D1.

*Impetuous
adjective
characterized by undue haste and lack of thought or deliberation; a hotheaded decision; liable to such impulsive acts as hugging strangers; an impetuous display of spending and gambling; madcap escapades;

[Mike Johnson]

They are sissys AND IN A WATERED DOWN D2. We were #1 twice,beat 4 FBS schools in 3 years, got into playoffs in year 2 and crushed the big sky #2 team and BEAT THE NATL Champs (until bill fette didn't reverse an obvious BULLSHIT CALL!)

NDSU needs to move on.

Next stop. The NAIA.

[Fresno St. Alum]

You seem impetuous?*

Im not sure how things will turn out. Like I said "I have my doubts". One thing is clear the divisions are all under the umbrella of the NCAA but they are autonomous in governing their own affairs.

UND has to complete their transition successfully before they can be voted on for admittance to D1 membership. Being at odds with a major directive and the millions of NCAA money they have wasted by insisting on their own rules is a thorn in the side for a lot of institutions and the front office.

The Summit issued an unbinding no schedule directive to their members and several other major institutions will not return phone calls. The Big Sky may ask them to leave if the unfortunate situation is prolonged. The NCAA is in charge. I doubt they are going to change the rules for UND and I also have great faith in human nature. There will be repercussions and the biggest stick the NCAA has is to deny admission into D1.

*Impetuous
adjective
characterized by undue haste and lack of thought or deliberation; a hotheaded decision; liable to such impulsive acts as hugging strangers; an impetuous display of spending and gambling; madcap escapades;

You are just a blow hard. You must not have read the post from someone who said that UND's membership in Sky is NOT in jeopardy. I'm be impetuous because your posts on this matter are straight up bullshit.

I'm just telling you if you truly believe what you say, you'll stop posting on here if UND is admitted to D-I. I'm willing to stop posting on here if they don't. I believe what I say. I don't think you actually believe in what you say

[Fresno St. Alum]

The Big Sky Conference is watching the Legislature’s proceedings. The league’s concern is growing.

“From our standpoint, it’s disappointing that this is coming up again,” said Big Sky Conference commissioner Doug Fullerton. “The league feels strongly that the bill could be damaging to (UND’s) athletic program.

UND’s membership in the Big Sky, however, currently is not affected by what’s happening in the Legislature, Fullerton said.

“UND remains an attractive member,” Fullerton said.

However, he added a prolonged battle over the nickname won’t help UND when it joins the league. And that also means that the Big Sky could suffer collateral damage because of the controversy.

“As an outsider, it’s very difficult for me to understand why legislators would do this to an athletic program within their own state,” Fullerton said.

If UND continues to use the nickname and logo, the school will not be allowed to host postseason competition when it becomes playoff eligible in 2012.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/a ... id/195802/

Here's the quote. Spin it however you want and tell us how UND will end up as an NAIA Indy unless the Dakota Athletic Conference reforms.

[Mike Johnson]

Well Illini aren't Indians just a term for Illinoians, ites.

Actually, the Illini are Indians and the state is named for them. That said, the four tribes of Illini formed the Peoria Federation in 1854. They are in Oklahoma, like many other tribes that were forced there. I suppose it is because they are not in the state of Illinois that Illinois didn't have to get their permission, like Utah and Florida State did and North Dakota failed to do.

[Fresno St. Alum]

Well Illini aren't Indians just a term for Illinoians, ites.

Actually, the Illini are Indians and the state is named for them. That said, the four tribes of Illini formed the Peoria Federation in 1854. They are in Oklahoma, like many other tribes that were forced there. I suppose it is because they are not in the state of Illinois that Illinois didn't have to get their permission, like Utah and Florida State did and North Dakota failed to do.

good info as always Mike. I don't get why they didn't need permission. Even if they're in Okla now, wouldn't they still care. I looked up illini and got nothing. I looked up illiniwek and got all of this stuff you posted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illiniwek" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. Illini is like a shorter version of the name?

[Mike Johnson]

Sorry my friend:

If the bill passes I have my doubts they will even be accepted for NCAA membership.

D2 is in the NCAA but its separate from D1. UND has applied to be admitted into the NCAA D1 from the NCAA D2. Thats what the transition is all about. They want to see if a school is good enough to join the more prestigious division.

Sounds to me like what you meant to say was that you have doubts UND will be accepted for NCAA Division I membership. Of course, they already are in the NCAA.

We'll see what happens next year. The main question is whether they comply with Division I membership standards. The NCAA was clear--it does not have the authority to ban "hostile or abusive" mascots from schools, except during NCAA-sponsored championship events. Emblems considered "hostile or abusive" cannot be on uniforms or visible in arenas during NCAA-sponsored championship events. It is not a membership criteria. And of course conferences and individual schools can decide the same thing for themselves, meaning the Summit can decide that "hostile and abusive" emblems cannot be worn or displayed during Summit-sponsored events and individual schools can decide that they will not play another school that uses "hostile and abusive" emblems.

Fresno State Alum, I would not go so far as to bet whether UND completes the transition next year. There could be other reasons why they might not. But, unless the rules change before then, it won't be because of "hostile and abusive" emblems.

As for renewed lawsuits, if the NCAA does decide to block UND's acceptance into Division I based solely on this issue, I do believe another lawsuit would be filed--and one much stronger than the previous. It is a far different thing to rule that the NCAA was right to ban things from NCAA-sponsored championships than for the NCAA to disregard its own membership rules that it has favorably evaluated UND on several times all after the imposition of the "hostile and abusive" rule.